JB, I believe Betty. In a message dated 9/24/2010 12:30:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jbfrancis6@aol.com writes: Yes Lynda, I have that. That is what I was basing my statement on. But, have since found an email from Betty who says that Clay Collins is stepfather and Nathan Engle is father. Betty's husband is son of Benjamin Engle brother to Polly. So, I must take her statement as fact. JB