OK, all; Still thinking here. Considering how poor this family was and how soon after immigration Patrick must have died, was there a county infirmary and/or burial ground in the mid-1860's? AND -- there is still the slight possibility that both Patricks (father and son) died either in Ireland or on the way. Nellie could have been pregnant when she arrived and Martin was born later that year. Again, grasping at straws here!! Ann ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.