This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBB.2ACI/1917.1 Message Board Post: Hi. I found an "Alix" LYONS listed in the 1870 census for Kenton Co., Buena Vista Twp., age 20. He was listed as born in Kentucky and living in a hotel. Margaret

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Reeves, Childs, Lyons, Wooley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBB.2ACI/1917 Message Board Post: I would like information about Alexander Lyons. He was born in Missouri 17 March 1851 to Alexander Lyons (born Germany about 1818, a clothier) and Elizabeth Jane Childs b. 15 Nov, 1826, Maryland and died in Indiana in 1852. Alexander and his older sister Blanche came to Covington where they lived in the household of Austin Smith Reeves and Catherine Cecelia Childs. Both children appear in the 1860 census for Covington Ward 7. By the 1870 census, Blanche was married to the Hamilton County, Ohio farmer George Wooley, and Alexander has disappeared. Are there death indexes for 1860-1870? Other search suggestions most welcome. Bob

Here we go! LeeAnn McNabb List Admin of Heving-L Ancestors of Mary Theresa Heving Generation No. 1 1. Mary Theresa Heving, born September 02, 1859 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; died September 14, 1933 in Covington, Kentucky, USA1. She was the daughter of 2. Bernard Heinrich Heving and 3. Gesina Maria Brink. She married (1) Johann Theodore Dietrich Borges October 22, 1880 in Covington, Kentucky, USA2. He was born June 1852 in Covington, Kentucky, USA3, and died February 25, 1908 in Covington, Kentucky, USA4. He was the son of Johann Borges and Mary Meirosse. Notes for Mary Theresa Heving: I have a copy of her death certificate. More About Mary Theresa Heving: Burial: September 18, 1933, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky5 Notes for Johann Theodore Dietrich Borges: Addresses for this gentleman include: 903 Montague, 3 John Street, 1002 Prospect, and 928 Leonard. He worked at the Heving brickyard for a few years (which is probably where he met hi s wife, Mary Theresa Heving). 1880 - 156 E. 12th 1900 - 130 Rush or Bush 1910 - 7 Short John Street 1930 - 739 Dalton I have a picture of his (and Mary Hevings) gravestone at the Mother of God Cemetery in Kento n County, Kentucky 1900 Census - Kenton County Kentucky Richard Mary Josephine John Julia Benjamin Frank May Helen Lizzie According to a Death Notice, they had a son named Charles that died at a young age and was bu ried at Mother of God cemetery. Unfortunately, I did not keep the date on the article! Wil l look into that again. I have a copy of his death certificate. More About Johann Theodore Dietrich Borges: Burial: February 28, 1908, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky5 Christening: June 27, 1852, Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky6 Generation No. 2 2. Bernard Heinrich Heving, born Abt. 1830 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland7; died November 05, 1884 in Covington, Kentucky, USA8. He was the son of 4. Johann Herman Heinrich Heving and 5. Phenne Adelheid Elingman. He married 3. Gesina Maria Brink February 14, 1854 in St. Joseph's, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA9. 3. Gesina Maria Brink, born Abt. 1827 in Hanover10; died December 30, 1907 in Covington, Kentucky, USA11. She was the daughter of 6. George Brink. Notes for Bernard Heinrich Heving: He apprenticed for brickmaking with the HERKE family of Cincinnati (living with them in the 1 850 census). Addresses for this family: 240 Everett (Cincinnati), 156 12th (Cov), Highland Pike near Tollgate (1890), Russell betwee n 17th and 18th (Cov), 18th and Russell According to this death certificate - he was ill for three years straight before his death. Published charter member of Die Deutschen Pionier-Verein von Covington, in club notes on Thur sday, June 7, 1877 has "Bernard Hewing, born Juli 8, 1830 in Ochtrup, Westphalia, immigrate d 1833." 1850 Cincinnati, Oho census: John HERKE, 28, Laborer, Germany Margaret, 30, Germany Mary, 8, Germany Henry, 2, Germany William, 60, no occupation, Germany Henry, 22, Laborer, Germany Bernard KOHNE, 20, Laborer, Germany Bernard HEVING, 17, Laborer, Germany Herman DUCHEMAN, 25, Germany Mary VESSUNK, 25, Germany 1870 Covington, Kentucky census: Heaving, Benjamin, age 39, Brick maker, Prussia Mary, age 41, Prussia Benjamin, age 15 John, age 15 Frank, age 12 George, age 6 Mary, age 11 Elizabeth, age 8 Annie, age 4 His DPV obituary translated into English: "Bernard Heinrich Heving: This person was born on June 23, 1829 in Ochtrup, Prussia. He came with his parents in the year 1838 to the United States. After they landed in Baltimore in the fall they went over the Allegheny Mountains by way of horse and wagon and they went t o Wheeling, West Virginia where they stayed for approximately two years until the father died. The mother remarried. The family went on to Cincinnati and from Cincinnati to Wapakoneta where they lived on a farm for seven years. After that, Bernard Heving came to Cincinnati where he worked as a brick maker until 1854 and then went to Covington, Kentucky. There is where he started his own brick company that was very successful and was what he did until his death November 5, 1884. His wife whom he married in 1851 and whose maiden name was Briet lived on with six children. The Covington branch of the German Pioneer Society took car e of his burial." I have maps showing properties owned by Heving and Havings in Covington, Kentucky I have had a person at St. Joseph's Rectory in Wapakoneta, Ohio search their church records f or Heving entries. Unfortunately there was a fire at the first church, so they have no records earlier than 1849 and no marriages earlier than 1852. More About Bernard Heinrich Heving: Burial: November 08, 1884, St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington11 Notes for Gesina Maria Brink: Funeral held at Holy Cross Church in Covington, Kentucky. I have her death certificate Kentucky Post, page 2, 31 DEC 1907: "Mary Heving, 85, died at the residence of her son-in-law, John Brames, 225 Southern Avenue, yesterday. The funeral will be held at the Holy Cross Church. Burial at the Mother of God cemetery." More About Gesina Maria Brink: Burial: January 02, 1908, St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington11 Children of Bernard Heving and Gesina Brink are: i. John George Heving, died October 26, 1910 in Brent, Kentucky12 Notes for John George Heving: Kentucky Post, 02 SEP 1910, page 7: "The funeral of George Heving, who was run down b y a C & O train last Saturday, near Brent, KY, took place this morning from the residence o f his brother in law, John H Brames, Park and Southern Avenues, former Latonia." More About John George Heving: Burial: September 02, 1910, St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington13 Christening: June 08, 1863, Mother of God Church, Covington14 Occupation: "harness maker" ii. Benjamin or Henry or Herman Heving, born Abt. 1856 in Ohio15; died June 02, 1879 in Covington, Kentucky, USA16 More About Benjamin or Henry or Herman Heving: Burial: June 05, 1879, St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington16 iii. John W. Heving, born Abt. 1857 in Kentucky17; died July 14, 1919 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for John W. Heving: According to his death certificate date of birth is Jan. 10, 1853, which can't be correct, that was before his parents were married. One of the John Chewing's found the body of a decapitated woman in 1896. I am unsure which John it was, him or his younger brother. More About John W. Heving: Burial: St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington18 Occupation: "Brick maker" iv. Frank Heving, born October 05, 1857 in Covington, Kentucky, USA19; died November 11, 1928 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; married Louise Busse November 27, 1882 in Kenton County, Kentucky20; born October 05, 1863; died February 18, 1948 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for Frank Heving: Addresses: 45 Pleasant, 3916 Tracy (Latonia), 10 E. Park Drive, and 407 Willow. Information given to me by Vendela Howell: "Died at St. Elizabeth Hospital ER, Gun wound to the head, found in his room at Six's Cafe in Decoursey. Family felt that it was murder, no t suicide. Funeral at Middendorf funeral home in Covington." 1910 Census - Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky: Frank Heving, 53, born KY Louise, 46, born KY Bernard F, 19, born KY Louis BF, 18, born KY John L, 14, born KY Joseph W, 09, KY OBIT - "Frank Heving Blessing will be held at 10am, Wednesday, at the Middendorf funeral home, 1 E. 12th street, Covington, for Frank Heving, 5, machinist's helper for the Louisville & Nashville Railroad. Burial will be in St. Mary Cemetery. Mr. Heving died Sunday at St. Elizabeth Hospital where he was taken Saturday night. He was found with a bullet wound in his head in his room above Sis's Cafe, Decoursey. Robert C. Dorsey, Kenton County coroner, said the wound was self-inflicted, Mr. Dorsey returned a verdict of suicide due to ill health." More About Frank Heving: Burial: November 13, 1928, St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington21 Christening: October 08, 1857, Mother of God Church, Covington22 Occupation: "Brick molder" More About Louise Busse: Burial: St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, Covington23 1 v. Mary Theresa Heving, born September 02, 1859 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; died September 14, 1933 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; married Johann Theodore Dietrich Borges October 22, 1880 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. vi. Christian Elizabeth Heving, born April 20, 1862 in Kentucky24; died July 30, 1929 in Indianapolis, Indiana24; married (1) Bernard Prieshoff May 23, 1880 in Covington, Kentucky25; born March 23, 1858 in Kentucky26; died October 20, 1893 in Cincinnati, Ohio27; married (2) Jim Branch July 02, 190127. Notes for Christian Elizabeth Heving: I have a copy of her marriage certificate. More About Christian Elizabeth Heving: Burial: August 01, 1929, Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery, Indianapolis, Indiana27 More About Bernard Prieshoff: Burial: Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky27 Immigration: November 04, 1857, Baltimore, Maryland, USA28 vii. Maria Adel Anna Heving, born September 28, 1866 in Covington, Kentucky, USA29; died July 11, 1948; married Johann Heinrich Brames February 12, 1889 in St. Aloysius Catholic Church, Covington30; born February 07, 1869 in Cincinnati, Ohio31; died July 13, 195631. Notes for Maria Adel Anna Heving: Addresses: 225 Southern (Cov) and 1823 Sherman Avenue in Norwood (Cincinnati). I have a copy of her marriage certificate to John H. Brames. I have a copy of their marriage register in St. Aloysius Church. More About Maria Adel Anna Heving: Burial: July 14, 1948, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky32 Christening: September 30, 1866, Mother of God Church, Covington33 Notes for Johann Heinrich Brames: More About Johann Heinrich Brames: Burial: July 17, 1955, Mother of God Cemetery34 Occupation: 1920, Covington, Kentucky, USA; Occupation: Real Estate Manager viii. Bernard Joseph Heving, born September 03, 1870 in Covington, Kentucky, USA35; died January 1894; married Mary Katherine Hesslar May 05, 1893 in St. Aloysius Catholic Church, Covington36; born Abt. 1871; died September 24, 1946 in Kenton County, Kentucky37. Notes for Bernard Joseph Heving: Will attempt to find death record. I have a copy of his marriage certificate to Mary Katherine Hessler. More About Bernard Joseph Heving: Burial: January 22, 1894, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky38 Christening: September 04, 1870, Mother of God Church, Covington39 Notes for Mary Katherine Hesslar: She remarried to a Frank Wilmhoff on 05 JUL 1898. I have a copy of their marriage certificate. I have a copy of the church record for the marriage of Mary Katherine (Hesslar) Heving and Frank Wilmhoff. More About Mary Katherine Hesslar: Burial: September 26, 1946, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky40 Generation No. 3 4. Johann Herman Heinrich Heving, born 1801 in Germany41; died in Wheeling, West Virginia, USA42. He was the son of 8. Johannes Bernardus Hermanny Luenter and 9. Anna Maria Johanna Heving or Hevers. He married 5. Phenne Adelheid Elingman November 29, 1821 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland43. 5. Phenne Adelheid Elingman, born Abt. 1795 in Germany43; died March 21, 1830 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland43. She was the daughter of 10. John Heinrich Elingman and 11. Maria Dincklott. Notes for Johann Herman Heinrich Heving: According to the "Die Deutschen Pionier-Verein von Covington" obituary of his son Bernard Heinrich the younger, he died in Wheeling, West Virginia. At this time I am still unable to prove this, but will continue to look into this situation. According to the obituary, the family also immigrated to the United States in 1838 - once again, no confirmation of this information. In Wheeling, West Virginia in 1838 there was one Catholic Church, St. James. Check to see if they have a record of burial or gravestone for any Heving or Hewings. - UPDATE - I had their records searched and since there was a fire at the Church in 1849 no records exist before that time. Just in case I had her check until 1855 - No Hewing or Hevings whatsoever. More About Johann Herman Heinrich Heving: Immigration: 183844 Children of Johann Heving and Phenne Elingman are: i. Johann Heinrich Heving More About Johann Heinrich Heving: Christening: August 14, 1826, Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland45 ii. Bernard Heinrich Heving, born March 06, 1822 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland46; died June 20, 1891 in St. Elizabeth Hospital, Kenton County, Kentucky46; married Maria Helena Gerken April 22, 1849 in St. Joseph's, Cincinnati, Ohio47; born April 1819 in Hanover48,49; died April 03, 1902 in St. Elizabeth Hospital, Kenton County, Kentucky50. Notes for Bernard Heinrich Heving: Co-owned, with the man believed to be his younger brother, a Brickyard in Covington, Kentucky . 1850 Census - Cincinnati, Ohio: Henry HAVING, 27, Brick maker, Germany Lena HAVING, 28, Germany More About Bernard Heinrich Heving: Burial: June 21, 1891, Mother of God Cemetery51 Christening: March 08, 1822, Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland52 Notes for Maria Helena Gerken: According to a letter from the Mother of God Church to Cathy Born, Helen Heving's birth place was Pecitohl. More About Maria Helena Gerken: Burial: April 05, 1902, Mother of God Cemetery53 iii. Maria Anna Heving, born December 1829 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland54; died June 10, 1833 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland54 2 iv. Bernard Heinrich Heving, born Abt. 1830 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland; died November 05, 1884 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; married Gesina Maria Brink February 14, 1854 in St. Joseph's, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. 6. George Brink Child of George Brink is: 3 i. Gesina Maria Brink, born Abt. 1827 in Hanover; died December 30, 1907 in Covington, Kentucky, USA; married Bernard Heinrich Heving February 14, 1854 in St. Joseph's, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. Generation No. 4 8. Johannes Bernardus Hermanny Luenter, died January 08, 1805 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland54. He married 9. Anna Maria Johanna Heving or Hevers June 16, 1801 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland54. 9. Anna Maria Johanna Heving or Hevers, born 1779 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Germany55. She was the daughter of Gerhard Heinrich Hevers and Anna Adelheid Thymans. Notes for Johannes Bernardus Hermanny Luenter: In this part of Germany there was a tradition whereby a male took the name of his wife if the y inherited her families estate. This must be the case here, as he is called Johannes Hermanny Heving, born Lunden in the records. This is why all of the children carry the Heving name . I will try and research this specific instance of her being willed the family estate when I am in Germany. Child of Johannes Luenter and Anna Heving or Hevers is: 4 i. Johann Herman Heinrich Heving, born 1801 in Germany; died in Wheeling, West Virginia, USA; married (1) Phenne Adelheid Elingman November 29, 1821 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland; married (2) Elisabetha Br©o©er July 1830 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland. 10. John Heinrich Elingman He married 11. Maria Dincklott. 11. Maria Dincklott Child of John Elingman and Maria Dincklott is: 5 i. Phenne Adelheid Elingman, born Abt. 1795 in Germany; died March 21, 1830 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland; married Johann Herman Heinrich Heving November 29, 1821 in Ochtrup, Westfalen, Deutschland. Endnotes 1. Death Certificate. 2. Kenton County Marriage Record. 3. Census data. 4. Kentucky Death Record. 5. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 6. Mother of God Parish Registers. 7. Die Deutschen Pionier Verein. 8. Will. 9. Hamilton County Early Marriage Records Index from Public Library. 10. Census data. 11. Death Certificate. 12. Kentucky Death Record. 13. St. Mary's Cemetery Records. 14. Mother of God Parish Registers. 15. Census data. 16. Mother of God Parish Registers. 17. Census data. 18. St. Mary's Cemetery Records. 19. Mother of God Parish Registers. 20. Kenton County Marriage Record. 21. St. Mary's Cemetery Records. 22. Mother of God Parish Registers. 23. St. Mary's Cemetery Records. 24. Cathy Born of Indianapolis, Indiana. 25. Kenton County Courthouse. 26. Census data. 27. Cathy Born of Indianapolis, Indiana. 28. Naturalization Record. 29. Mother of God Parish Registers. 30. St. Aloysius Church Records. 31. Brames Family History sent by Tom Brames of California. 32. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 33. Mother of God Parish Registers. 34. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 35. Mother of God Parish Registers. 36. St. Aloysius Church Records. 37. Kentucky Death Record. 38. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 39. Mother of God Parish Registers. 40. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 41. Ochtrup Catholic Church Records. 42. Obituary. 43. Ochtrup Catholic Church Records. 44. Obituary. 45. Ochtrup Catholic Church Records. 46. Gravestone. 47. Hamilton County Early Marriage Records Index from Public Library. 48. Gravestone. 49. Census data. 50. Mother of God Parish Registers. 51. Gravestone. 52. Ochtrup Catholic Church Records. 53. Mother of God Cemetery Records. 54. Ochtrup Catholic Church Records. 55. Ochtrup von Paul Wegener.

Ok guys, here's the last one I sent to the list serv. The only one that would apply to your two mailing lists would in fact be the first (the others are in Germany), so I've deleted those. Anyway, I will also be sending over the next few days, more family group sheets of descendancy of my various Cincinnati and Covington ancestors. Any questions on those, please do email me. LeeAnn McNabb ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > My first brickwall I do not have much information (despite the fact I've > tried very hard to find info on him) - Franz Josef "Louis" Rosenfelder, > born about 1825 somewhere in Baden. He arrived in New Orleans in January > of 1854 on the ship Virginia. I've already checked the Baden Emigration > index and no luck. I've tried the IGI and various other lists at my > library for Baden (including wanted men from Baden). He arrived on the > same ship as his wife (though they weren't married at the time) - Maria > Anne Lohne and her sister Rosalie (who are included in the Baden > Emigration Index). After they arrived in New Orleans, Franz and Maria > made their way to Cincinnati, Ohio and it was in Cincinnati that they > married. He was a saloon owner for the rest of his life.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > 1. George Carl Spiesz. The little information I have on him and his > family were from a journal he left. He was born 13 NOV 1820 in > Hohen-Sulzen (now a part of Rhein-Pfalz, but at the time a part of Hesse > Darmstadt). He emigrated from Le Havre, France on 10 MAY 1846 and arrived > in New York on 11 JUN 1846. He then made his way to CIncinnati, Ohio > where he apprenticed for a short time as a tailor. He married Anna Maria > Hoehn (of Freinsheim, Rhein-Pfalz) on 11 APR 1847 in Cincinnati, Ohio. He > opened his own tailoring business that was at 51 Harrison Avenue in > Westwood, Cincinnati, Ohio. He made his declaration of intent for > citizenship in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio on 12 APR 1852. They had > four children. Anna Maria passed away on 19 OCT 1853 in Cincinnati, Ohio. > George remarried to a Christina Brueckmann (also of Freinsheim) on 6 AUG > 1854 in Cincinnati, Ohio. They had 5 children. George passed away on 17 > SEP 1895 in Cincinnati, Ohio. > > The mystery comes in his siblings and his parents. In his journal, he > never speaks of his father (nor gives his name) so I've gone on the > assumption that his father had already passed away by the time he left for > the United States. His mother is mentioned, but he never gave her name! > I do know from the journal that she died on 29 or 30 APR 1860 in or near > Pfifflichheim (near Worms?). The handwriting was hard to read, but I know > it's a town very near Woerms. I also know he had three siblings (but > could've had more he may not have mentioned). He mentioned a Barbara, who > went with him on the ship to the US, but died on the High Seas 28 MAY > 1846. He also had a brother named Philip who died 29 JUN 1855 in > Hohen-Sulzen. He also had a sister named Anna Maria who lived near Woerms > and was married. No married name was given for her. But it is said their > mother died while visiting her. I believe I may have found her spouse > though (this is just conjecture) - Johann Brueckma! > nn. I found it odd that both of George's wives were from Freinsheim. > Freinsheim is near Woerms. When I began looking through the church > records for Freinsheim (for Brueckmanns) I began seeing baptisms for > children of an Anna Maria Spiess who had a husband named Johann > Brueckmann. Johann is no doubt related to George's second wife Christina > Breuckmann. I'm treating this as a possibility, nothing more. Anna > Maria's death date was not written in his journal (unlike his other > siblings). She may have outlived him. > > I have been having a very hard time reading the church records of > Freinsheim, much harder than I have had reading others. Anyone recognize > these Spiesz's or Brueckmann's, or has a good knowledge of Hohen-Sulzen or > Freinsheim - I would love to hear from you! > > > LeeAnn McNabb > Cincinnati, Ohio > > PS. This family was Evangelische-Reformierte > > > ==== GERMAN-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To > subscribe click on > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

After sending some of these (I have more that I will forward) to the German-Surnames mailing list, I thought it wise to forward them to these two lists as well. There may be someone out there lurking who has these same ancestors! LeeAnn McNabb ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > 1. Johann Borges, born about 1804 in Hanover (according to census). Not > much is known about this man - I haven't found his immigration data, his > naturalization data, his first wife or any church records that said his > place of origin. His second wife was Mary Meirosse, who he married on 18 > SEP 1849 in Covington, Kentucky. His first child was born in 1845, so we > know for sure Johann had arrived in the Cincinnati, Ohio/Covington, > Kentucky area by 1845. He was Catholic. > > 2. His wife, Mary Meirosse, born around 1827 in what her burial record > says is Dauwma, Germany. This is not the only time I have seen this town > name (though I can't find Dauwma, Germany on a map) - there are a few > other records for individuals in Cincinnati I have come across with this > as their place of origin. No more information is known on Mary Meirosse. > > 3. Henry Hemann, born about 1835 in Prussia. He was in Ohio by 1863, as > his first daughter was born then. He married Mary Abeln (born OCT 1836 in > Prussia). I have no marriage date for this couple. They had 5 children > that I am aware of. This line is my great great aunt's - she recently > passed away and I inherited all of her family heirlooms. Her father is my > ancestor, but as her mother was Frank Spiesz's second wife, I do not share > the Hemann ancestry. In her honor I am now beginning to attempt to trace > her Hemann and Abeln ancestry as well. This family was Catholic. > > > Compared to the others I've sent to this mailing list - Meirosse and > Hemann are the two I've done the least research on to date. > > Thanks again! > > LeeAnn McNabb > Cincinnati, Ohio

Actually, That was my look up!!!! :) Thank you Carol and also to Tom. I do have it already thank so much for helping me out tho! Crystal Farris

Hi Carol. It may have been my request you saw. I am right in the middle of moving. The only thing here at my new house is my computer.....hooked up :)) but no desk. I am in the frog position on the floor typing this. I don't think this is my John MARTIN though. He was married in 1838 so he would be a little older. He was born in Fredericksburg, Maryland...but I can't remember the date offhand. I appreciate you looking it up. He had a son John who was born in Ohio but I believe it was in the 1840's. Thanks, Margaret

I found the death certificate for John J. Martin. Born July 26, 1837 Died at age 89 years, 1 month and 17 days on August 13, 1926 in Kenton CO, KY Occupation listed as Farmer. Birthplace KY Father-John Martin (born in Virginia) Mother-American Hill (Born in KY) The informant was Mrs. Nicholas Schuster of Hamilton, Ohio John J. Martin died from mitral insufficiency with a broken (can't read the rest easily) He was sick for several weeks. It was signed Chas M. Petty, MD on Augt 13, 1926. Buried in Independence,KY I couldn't find the email of the person requesting this lookup. So I'm putting this on the email chain. If you want a copy of the death certificate, please email me. Carol

I don't know if this will help or not, but I believe the Holmes Castle is now Holmes High School in Covington. > [Original Message] > From: <devinett45@aol.com> > To: <KYKENTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/18/2005 7:50:11 PM > Subject: DeVine, Murphy, and Holmes > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: DEVINE, MURPHY & HOLMES > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BBB.2ACI/1916 > > Message Board Post: > > > I am searching for any info on my ggparents, MICHAEL DEVINE & LAVINIA CAMERON DEVINE from Covington, Kenton county, KY.They worked for Daniel Henry Holmes at his estate, Holmes Castle or Holmesdale in the late 1800's- 1920's. My great-grandparents were the caretaker and governess of Holmesdale. They had eight children,one died at four months, all born on the estate and educated along with the Holme's children. The children are as follows: Luke, Lavena A., Michael Peter (Bud), David Andrew ("Madison Avenue Dave"),Mary Elizabeth, Rachel G., and Katherine. If anyone has any info or just history regarding this family, including the Holmes', please email me at devinett45@aol.com > > ______________________________

Thanks to all who responded to my questions! Crystal

crystal, email dave schroeder, the local history librarian at the kenton co. public library. he or a volunteer will look it up for you if they have that year on microfilm at the library. _dschroed@kenton.lib.ky.us_ (mailto:dschroed@kenton.lib.ky.us) pat In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:53:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Critterann1369@aol.com writes: Also, does anyone offer their services to get death certs? If so, Im in need of one (at the moment) for John J Martin DOD 13 Aug 1926 Kenton County Vol 42 Cert 20752 Thanks so much in advance Crystal Farris ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

ludow, ky is in kenton co. pat In a message dated 2/20/2005 10:39:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Critterann1369@aol.com writes: Can anyone tell me Which County is Ludlow in? Thanks, Crystal ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

Kenton County

Also, does anyone offer their services to get death certs? If so, Im in need of one (at the moment) for John J Martin DOD 13 Aug 1926 Kenton County Vol 42 Cert 20752 Thanks so much in advance Crystal Farris

Ludlow is in KENTON County ----- Original Message ----- From: <Critterann1369@aol.com> To: <KYKENTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [KYKENTON] Ludlow in ? County > Can anyone tell me Which County is Ludlow in? > Thanks, > Crystal > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Can anyone tell me Which County is Ludlow in? Thanks, Crystal

Thanks Ann for your help. I am pretty sure this Jerusha is the mother of Charles Orr Hale. I found Jerusha with her husband Edmund R. Hale in the 1860 New Hampshire census. They had a son listed named Charles. According to the information that someone sent me a number of years ago this Charles is the father of Edmund P. Hale and Cora Miranda Hale. Sincerely, Renee Werth Hi, Renee; I checked that 1870 census entry on HeritageQuest and they have it indexed as Jerusha Hale, which it certainly appears to me to be. Jerusha and Flora were born in NH. The name of the family they are living with was also certainly CARPENTER - Albert, Mary and Edward. Best wishes, Ann Bergelt Florida ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Am looking for parents names for Ruben Saner, born in Germany about 1844. His wife's name may have been Anna. In the 1880 census, he's listed as a widower with many children. One of which was my great grandfather. Another was named Ruben, Jr. Don't know when he emigrated. Anyone out there with info on the Saner family? Carol Sanman

Hi, Renee; I checked that 1870 census entry on HeritageQuest and they have it indexed as Jerusha Hale, which it certainly appears to me to be. Jerusha and Flora were born in NH. The name of the family they are living with was also certainly CARPENTER - Albert, Mary and Edward. Best wishes, Ann Bergelt Florida