Darla; thanks for all the recommendations, but I'm not sure I haven't already exhausted all those possibilities in previous trips to the Covington area. At one point, someone recommended I check St. Joseph's Cemetery in Cincinnati for the early death of Patrick Keary/Carey -- but he wasn't there either. What I'm trying to find out about the Martin Carey who is buried in St. Mary's (1891) is just verification that he was indeed the son of Ellen and Patrick who was born in Ky, and also whether or not he might have been married. In 1891 he would have been 24/25 years old. Thanks, Ann

Ann, if your family lived on W. 5th Street and is Irish, you might try finding records from old St. Patrick's Church that was at 4th and Philadelphia Streets in Covington from 1872 to 1967 (now torn down). These might be on the Kenton County library site also, but I'm not sure. The church was founded too late to have death info on Patrick abt 1864, and if he died in the Covington area, St. Mary's founding in 1870 would be too late for him unless he was moved there from another site. Mother of God cemetery and its predecessor, Buena Vista, might be possibilities for Patrick although they usually held German Catholics (but who knows - there might have been room for others too!). For Patrick's death, then, I'd try Mother of God or Linden Grove cemeteries. For the neighborhood where your people lived, St. Patrick's was the "Irish" church and Mother of God was the "German" church. No guarantee on this, but when I've visited the Kenton Co. library I've looked at a microfilm reel that holds earlier death records and might have Patrick's death on it. You could email Dave Schroeder there and ask for a look-up. What are you trying to find out about Martin Carey? Darla

Darla and all; Thanks so much for the offers of help in this matter. Martin Carey has been a mystery in my family research for quite a while. I have verified most of the family info - but finding him buried at St. Mary's Cemetery was a surprise. It was listed on the Kenton County library records site. On some of my visits to the area, I have gone to St. Mary's Cemetery. I did not see any reference to his burial before, and the family members who are buried there apparently have no markers. Ellen (Nellie) BYRON and Patrick KEARY/CAREY were married in Co. Galway Ireland in the early 1850's. Their children, born in Ireland, were (my great-grandfather) Lawrence and Maggie (Margaret), Thomas, Michael, and Martin. Apparently Lawrence was the only one of the siblings who married. Before they left Ireland, there was a son named Patrick born in 1864. Apparently, he died, as he is not found in any further records. The first US census they are found in is 1870 - in Covington. Nellie KEARY was widowed, but there is a son, Martin, born in KY - three years old. Baptismal record shows he was born October 1866. He also shows up in 1880 aged 13, last name CAREY by then. The father, Patrick, is not found in any reference at all after they came from Ireland about 1864/65. He must have died about the time Martin was born, but I also have found no reference to his death or burial. Nellie was a widow in the 1870 census. I have found records for the family at St. Mary's Basilica in Covington. Nellie and daughter Maggie remained in Covington until they both died. The address on census records and Nellie's death record is 77 W. Fifth St. Maggie died as a resident of the "Old Ladies Home" on Garrard. I have done much research on the family and have most of the necessary records -- it was just a surprise to find reference to Martin CAREY at St. Mary's, as I have looked for him before. My grandfather, Lawrence's son, was also named Martin Carey -- apparently for the one I'm trying to find. Your help and suggestions are much welcomed! Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Koors/Coors/Kalkmann/Ferneding Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BBB.2ACI/1937 Message Board Post: Looking for almost any info on the Koors family. My gg-gpa and his father, new to my knowledge, had many connections to Kenton co., even tho born in Cincinatti, OH and sometimes lived in that area. John Henry (Johann Heinrich, and sometimes only went by Henry) Koors, b. abt. 1809, Oldenburg, Ger? married to Mary Kalkmann, unsure of where she was from, need anything on either of these, my knowledge on them is very limited. They had at least 3 children, Mary, Anna, and the oldest, Bernard Henry Koors, b. 1840's Cincinatti,OH. He went by Barney and also Henry. I had gotten info that he had married to Anna M. Ferneding at the German Lutheran Church in Cincinatti,OH. I did not know of this marriage, as Barney and his parents had moved to Effingham, IL area for many years, and Barney married 3 other times. Please Help! Thanks Paula

Ann, if you find the address of your ancestor from the 1880 census and let the list know, I or one of the others who grew up in Northern KY might be able to help you narrow down a search for nearby Catholic churches. Darla The Woodlands, TX

Hi Ann, I am sending this message both on and off list because I am not sure the e-mail list won't block the website address. You will want to request your record through the Kenton County Public Library. Go to this address: http://www.kenton.lib.ky.us/genealogy.html There are two main links right at the top of the page you will want to use to search for your ancestor. "Newspaper Index Northern Kentucky" and "geNKY Northern Kentucky Genealogy Indexes". It looks like the deaths for 1891 may not yet be indexed but you might find your ancestor in a newspaper obituary, St Elizabeth hospital records, cemetery records and possibly other items. Once you have a list of possible sources you can get the library to copy anything you need including the Covington Death certificate for a very reasonable fee. Library contact information can be found here: http://www.kenton.lib.ky.us/contactus.html Daryl On 5/16/05, AnnBergelt@aol.com <AnnBergelt@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello, all; > > I'm looking for a death record which occurred in 1891 (October). The > person is buried in St. Mary's Cemetery with other family members. > > If he died in Kenton County (where his family lived), where would I apply > for a death certificate of that time frame? The state office apparently > has > them starting with 1900. > > Any assistance would be much appreciated. > > Ann Bergelt > Florida > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have been successful finding death certificates before 1900 by writing the vital statistics dept. in frankfort. It's hit or miss before 1900, but those death certificates are out there. If you know exact date of death, you could be in luck with the vital stats people. Also, if your person was buried from one of the churches in kenton co., you may find record of death in church records. I have tracked people down that way as well. From the censuses I get their neighborhood and start searching the nearest churches from there. Looks like your person was catholic, so this could be easy but time consuming. Pat ******************************************* Patricia A. Gough Secretary Penfield Public Library 1985 Baird Road Penfield, NY 14526 585-340-8720 ext. 4007 "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." -- Erma Bombeck -----Original Message----- From: AnnBergelt@aol.com [mailto:AnnBergelt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:31 PM To: KYKENTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYKENTON] Death record Hello, all; I'm looking for a death record which occurred in 1891 (October). The person is buried in St. Mary's Cemetery with other family members. If he died in Kenton County (where his family lived), where would I apply for a death certificate of that time frame? The state office apparently has them starting with 1900. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Ann Bergelt Florida ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello, all; I'm looking for a death record which occurred in 1891 (October). The person is buried in St. Mary's Cemetery with other family members. If he died in Kenton County (where his family lived), where would I apply for a death certificate of that time frame? The state office apparently has them starting with 1900. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Ann Bergelt Florida

I am looking for the Niemeyer / Niemeier family's that lived or lives in and around the northern Ky. area. I will be glad to share with you what I have or find. I am looking to see if I can find any one that has the name Niemeyer / Niemeier. There were two difference family living in northern Ky. about the time of the Civil War. I would like to get in tough with someone who is working on those family and or branches of those family's. I have a Henry and I have a Bernard Henry, I think that Henry was short for Henrich. They came from Germany sometime in the 1800's. I am putting it together but I am missing a lot of family members .I have a lot of names but I don't know where they go and who they were. Can someone help me by sending me their Niemeyer family as to add it to what I have. Thank You India J. Wolf _IWolf54197@aol.com_ (mailto:IWolf54197@aol.com) _IWolf54197@fuse.net_ (mailto:IWolf54197@fuse.net) I will answer to both.

It has been a while since I have posted to this group on the Hale Family so thought I would repost in case someone sees a connections with their Hale's. I received a lot of information from a RAOGK volunteer several months back and now I am hoping someone will recognize the names. Sincerely, Renee Werth Descendants of Edmund R. Hale 1 Edmund R. Hale b: Abt. 1819 New Hampshire .. +Jerusha B. LNU b: Abt. 1818 New Hampshire m: Abt. 1840 ... 2 George S. Hale b: Abt. 1841 New Hampshire d: Bef. 1900 ......... +Maranda LNU b: December 1847 Kentucky m: Abt. 1869 .......... 3 John P. Hale b: April 1870 Illinois ................ +Lizzie F. LNU b: August 1873 England m: 1900 .......... 3 William Hale b: Abt. 1873 Kentucky .......... 3 Mary Hale b: Abt. 1876 Indiana .......... 3 Grace W. Hale b: April 1884 Illinois .......... 3 Robert Hale b: June 1886 Illinois ... 2 Leonard W. Hale b: Abt. 1843 New Hampshire ... 2 Mary S. Hale b: July 1847 New Hampshire d: February 23, 1931 Kenton County, Kentucky ......... +Albert H. Carpenter b: October 1842 New Hampshire m: Abt. 1867 d: November 13, 1912 Kenton County, Kentucky .......... 3 Adda Carpenter b: Abt. 1867 Kentucky .......... 3 Edward Carpenter b: September 1868 Kentucky d: Aft. 1930 ................ +Hulia LNU b: April 1869 Kentucky m: Abt. 1889 d: Bef. 1910 ................. 4 Mary Carpenter b: October 1890 Kentucky ................. 4 Edmund Carpenter b: January 1892 Kentucky ................. 4 Julia May Carpenter b: November 1893 Kentucky d: September 22, 1914 Kenton County, Kentucky ................. 4 Ira Miller Carpenter b: August 1895 Kentucky ................. 4 George A. Carpenter b: August 1897 Kentucky ................. 4 Leonard H. Carpenter b: Abt. 1906 Kentucky d: June 23, 1981 Boone County, Kentucky .......... 3 Charles H. Carpenter b: June 1870 Kentucky d: December 29, 1937 Kenton County, Kentucky ................ +Anna B. LNU b: February 1873 Kentucky m: Abt. 1893 d: November 12, 1953 Kenton County, Kentucky ................. 4 Albert Carpenter b: February 1896 Kentucky d: March 08, 1973 Kenton County, Kentucky .......... 3 Lutie Carpenter b: Abt. 1878 Kentucky ... 2 Charles Orr Hale b: Abt. 1854 New Hampshire ......... +Katherine A. Weber b: May 26, 1856 Newport, Campbell County, Kentucky m: January 07, 1875 Kenton County, Kentucky d: December 24, 1937 Pulaski County, Arkansas Burial: December 26, 1937 Oakland Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkanasa .......... 3 Edmund P. Hale b: December 08, 1875 Kenton County, Kentucky d: June 26, 1912 Burial: Oakland Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkanasa ................ +Johnnie LNU b: November 15, 1880 d: January 27, 1913 Burial: Oakland Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkanasa .......... 3 Cora Miranda Hale b: June 27, 1877 Kentucky d: July 27, 1968 Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas Burial: Roselawn Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas ................ +John Franklin Lenon b: December 25, 1873 Panora, Guthri County, Iowa m: June 15, 1898 Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas d: December 24, 1946 Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas Burial: Roselawn Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas ................. 4 Fon Lenon b: November 16, 1899 d: February 1977 Burial: Roselawn Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas ....................... +Isham Burt Richardson b: May 02, 1895 m: April 20, 1918 Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas d: May 27, 1995 Burial: Roselawn Cemetery/Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas ........................ 5 Vivian E. Richardson b: Abt. 1920 Texas ........................ 5 Cora Ann Richardson b: Abt. 1928 Arkansas d: July 10, 1959 Harrison, Boone County, Arkansas Burial: Maple Wood Cemetery/Harrison, Boone County, Arkanasa .............................. +Edward Underwood Mitchell ... 2 Flora Hale b: Abt. 1859 New Hampshire

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBB.2ACI/1936 Message Board Post: The Gallia County OGS Chapter is sponsoring a genealogical event “Gene Fest 2005”. This will be held on Saturday, June 4, at the Gallia County Historical/Genealogical Society building at 412 Second Avenue in Gallipolis, Ohio , from 10am to 4pm. We are hoping to make this an annual event. Representatives from the lineage societies, DAR, SUV, SAR, and DUV will be in attendance to assist anyone who might be interested in becoming a member. Members of the Gallia County OGS Chapter will be available to help anyone in filling out their applications for First Families, Civil War Families and the New Settlers and Builders . This will be a great opportunity to use the facilities and do some research with help from the volunteers. We will be holding workshops during the day on enhancing your research skills. Lunch will be served by the society for a donation of $5. Turkey or ham sandwiches , salad, chips , home made cookies and ice tea, lemonade and coffee. The Bossard Memorial Library in conjunction with “Gene Fest 2005” will be sponsoring an old fashion “Lock -in” after regular hours, from 6pm-9 pm. The genealogical staff will present a short seminar on using the cyber search for ancestors with Genealogy.com, Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest. There will also be time to do research and use the library’s public computers to hone your new skills. If you have any questions I will be more than happy to address them. Email me at trayne1837inc@yahoo.com. Or call the society at 740-446-7200. Cheryl Thomas Enyart GeneFest 2005 Chairperson Gallia County OGS Chapter 412 Second Avenue Gallipolis,Ohio 45631 740-446-7200 www.gchags.com histoc@zoomnet.net

My friends - I was made aware a few days ago of budgetary cuts recommended for FY 2006 that will directly affect our ability to continue to see further advancements in digital conversion of all types of records(including those related to genealogy and history). This will affect the National Archives & Records Administration, as well as the National Historical Publications and Records Commission, both of which are mainstays in the efforts to preserve and make available our national, state and local records. Below is the news release on this matter. You can see that some very influential groups, including the American Society of Archivists, of which I was a member for a number of years, are reacting to this budget cut proposal. While I rarely suggest on any list which I host that our subscribers become involved through the petition route or by other means, this situation is one that must be corrected before it occurs. The means and sites to express your opinion, if you care to do so, is included in the message below. -B ==================================================================== The President's budget recommendations for Fiscal Year 2006 slash or eliminate more than 150 federal programs. In that budget, the National Historical Publications and Records Commission (NHPRC) has been targeted to receive NO funding. This includes no funds for the grants program and no funds for staffing to support the NHPRC programs. It effectively eliminates NHPRC. The Council of State Historical Records Coordinators, the Society of American Archivists, and the National Association for Government Archivists and Records Administrators are working collaboratively to address this threat to NHPRC and NARA. Archivists across the U.S. are rallying to save NHPRC while also ensuring that NARA has sufficient funding to sustain its current programs and continue to advance in areas that benefit all archival repositories and every citizen of the United States As part of our efforts to continue to express to Congress interest in restoration of funding for NHPRC, we have created an online petition. Please consider signing this petition, and please forward it to any listservs, e-mail groups, or organizations and people you feel would be interested in helping with this effort. It is a quick and easy way for many people to assist. The petition will be forwarded to the House Appropriations Committee and Subcommittee on Treasury, Transportation, HUD and the Judiciary in late May. The petition can be access at: www.savearchives.org Click on the "petition" button. If you have not received a previous action alert on this issue, we encourage you to also write a letter to your members of Congress. For information on writing letters of support, see any of the following websites: www.savearchives.org www.coshrc.org www.archivists.org Thanks for your efforts to save this important program for archives! Members of the NHPRC Joint Advocacy Task Force Council of State Historical Records Coordinators: David Carmicheal, Sandra Clark, Kathleen Roe Society of American Archivists: Nancy Beaumont, Peter Gottlieb, Rand Jimerson, Joan Krizack, Richard Pearce-Moses National Association of Government Archivists and Records Administrators: Timothy Slavin ==== KYJacksonPurchase Mailing List ==== For KY Geologic Society maps of the JP region and western KY, visit: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygraves/KentuckyCountyMaps.htm

Yes birth dates should be backed up by birth records absolutely...but she had information confirming two different dates and needed more info, so looking at the census records would be the easiest to locate...they would also give her more info regarding his brothers and sisters... His parents were found on the 1880 Kenton County, KY census and so tht will give her a place to start....

Hi, All; I saw something go by that mentioned the birth dates given on census records. That's true, and might even be correct -- but there's always the chance the census information is "off" for several reasons. It's always the best idea to back up such information with the actual birth record. Best wishes, Ann Bergelt Florida

I forgot to tell you that the census reports will give birth dates and especially the 1900 Census will give month and year... LINDA...

Hi. Your family is listed in Kenton County in 1880. Father is George EVANS.....mother is Paralee. Robert is listed as Theodore. Margaret

Well RH Bennett's email address is blocked from receiving emails from unknown persons so they will have to some how get back to this list to get the answer...LINDa...Oregon

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Evans, Schooley, Doss, Wheeler, Hurt, Simpson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBB.2ACI/1935 Message Board Post: Hi Can someone look up a birth date for me, please? It's for my Grandfather, Robert Theodore Evans who was born in Ludlow, Kenton County. Problem is, I don't have a definite date. One source has 29 Nov 1877; another had 15 Feb 1878. I'll also need to know how I can get a copy of that record. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Renee in St. Louis... PS Some of his siblings were Charles [1 Oct 1867] Amanda [1 Feb 1869] Lola Bell [27 Jan 1875] Frank Eugene [22 Jul 1876] and Daisy [1881]

Hello All...Dear RH Bennett... Because this was gatewayed to the KYKenton-L list I am replying to both email addresses....may help someone else with the answer as well.. Since he was born prior to the 1880 Census you should be able to go to that census, at any Family History Center (FHC), located near your home and find him listed with his family... Then you should be able to order the 1900 Soundex for this family name and see if you can find them as adults...It will tell you where they live and you should be able to find the men with their families if they have married... You are going to have to check all different kinds of records to find all the bits and pieces that will lead you to the family... If you can find out his parents where and when they died and are buried, you might be able to get an obit that will tell you names of survivors...this may include some of the sisters with married names and where they lived, that will lead you to them as well... If you can find them on the Soundexs for the 1900 Census, 1910 Census, and 1920 census it will help you to follow them as they grew older.... Hope this helps any of you that are dealing with trying to find your Ancestors as this kinds of research gets results... there are also court records that you can read through and some of them are indexed as well...you will be surprized at what some of the Wills can tell you, and they are filed with the Court....LINDA... Oregon

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BBB.2ACI/1934 Message Board Post: Kentucky Death Certificate CD Number Three and Four are now underway. These CD's will be different from the last two in that most of the death certificates are Smith (about 30 percent) and most are from the following counties: 1. Bell 2. Clay 3. Harlan 4. Knox 5. Laurel 6. Whitley I am searching for all KENTUCKY Death Certificates to add to the newest CD. Please if you have any to contribute send them in JPG format before June 1, 2005. Those who need to have them scanned need to get them to me before June 1, 2005. If you have death certificates to contribute to the CD or would like to get a copy please visit Tombstone Central http://www.tombstonezero.net/cassy/dc2.html to find out all the details. Cassy. foe3643@mac.com