List, there was a lot of time, energy and frustration in regard to this Carrie person and I can't help wonder if you are aware that some people will do what we just observed and see what they can stir up on a newsgroup or message board. I wouldn't surmise whether she was as she presented herself or not but on other newsgroups I see this happen and it's best to not respond (though I had taken her at face value at her first posting). I certainly don't mean to condescend that you're unaware of "Trolls", but maybe some of the list is new or haven't realized they exist and are active. Thanks for letting me get off focus but maybe if we don't respond we'll keep trolls off the list. "I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking, and then I thought: What the hell good would that do?" ...Ronnie Shakes