Can we quit all this bickering about copyright laws and get back to the business of what this forum was intended for!!!! "GENEALOGY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Bill

Worked fine this time. thanks for reposting. Ann

Beginning Tuesday, January 3, we will be having an organized chat each week. For now, it will be every Tuesday starting at 7 p.m. EST. If this turns out not to be a good evening, we can switch it with a majority vote. Please sign in with a name that will allow other list members to easily recognize you. Hope to see you in chat Tuesday! Ann Lemaster-Applegate annapplegate@maysvilleky.net Johnson County Listowner

I'm Barbara Green Justice and these files came from Family Search.

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Joan, I tried to go to the URL that you posted for copyright info but got a File Not Found error. Ann

Jim wrote: >>The preoccupation with copyright law by persons who operate these mail list's is totally beyond me. Rootsweb doesn't allow copyrighted material to be posted on these lists. That is not my guideline, that is their guideline that I am expected to uphold. Ann

Douglas your thoughts are abstract at best and speak poorly of your ability to understand and intrepid the law. If you take exception to what I have written then I suggest you take it up with the Superior Court in the Fifth District. I further state rather that suggest that there is case law to support what I have written. There are always jack authors who would like to elevate their line for line copying of public documents as protected material. If you care to continue this exchange for the sake of argument rather than enlightenment, I am not interested. To frequently persons will attempt to invoke an emotional response with catch words or phrases i.e. "desperately" or "find yourself in a mess" or an accusatory "you cannot". Nothing you wrote suggested any first hand knowledge of copyright law or how case law has further defined copyright laws. Most honest genealogical publications contain the following statement or something very similar: Kentucky Bluegrass Roots, aka' Kentucky Genealogical Society; "The purpose of Bluegrass ROOTS is to provide help for all genealogists, Therefore, other not-for-profit organizations with the same purpose are hereby authorized to reprint any material published in Bluegrass ROOTS, If appropriate, credit will be appreciated, but it is not required." This statement is more common than not and I challenge you to produce one instance where a suit has been filed against any person sharing genealogical related information from a printed or electronic publication. Happy New Year, Jim Hawes Douglas Cartier wrote: > Jim you desperately need to consult with a copyright attorney before you get > yourself into a mess. You cannot interpret the laws to suit yourself. They > say what they say. Material from public records that are a part of a > genealogical work are indeed part of the copyright. And if you think that > any coyrighted material published in a publication then becomes the property > of the purchasers of the publication, you are way off. Way, way off. If > this were the case, there would be no need for copyrights to start with. > Some people are a law unto themselves; I certainly hope that everyone on > this list will be careful rather than sorry. > DC > > >From: Jim Hawes <JimHawes@ix.netcom.com> > >Reply-To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Copyright "NOT" > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:32:27 -0800 > > > > > >There is some question as to rather an electronic reproduction and > >written/printed document are the same. > > > >There is no law wherein you cannot share with others of common interest > >material wherein: a: The amount of material shared does not degrade the > >marketability of the copyrighted text in its entirety. b: The material > >is not generally available to the public. c: The material shared is not > >for profit. d: A copyright is for original material and not that which > >is copied from public records! > > > >(Conclusion) > >This has been challenged many times in the courts where the court has > >found that a book/text can be broken down into sections. The original > >conclusions or comments of the author are protected by copyright but not > >the public records contained within the same book/text. These remain > >public documents and can be shared, posted reprinted to your hearts > >content. A good example is the New England Dictionary published in > >1829. A person whom I will not name found the book, typed the > >information for electronic publication and called it copyrighted! This > >is just not how the copyright laws work nor is it how they were intended > >to work. A genealogical study is a research project not an attempt to > >plagiarize original works. When information is taken from more than two > >sources, IT'S RESEARCH. Articles written and published monthly, > >quarterly etc. in genealogical publications is copyrighted. You may > >extract portions, insert your own comment and it is not copyrighted. > >Again, an article that quotes original material is only protected for > >that portion of original content. The preoccupation with copyright law > >by persons who operate these mail list's is totally beyond me. I > >question rather any genealogical publication produced for the > >distribution of it's members is copyrighted at all! I arrive at this > >for the following reason. Members pay a monthly or annual membership > >fee. The material is produced for its members as a result of their > >membership. This means that any member can then copy and freely > >distribute information generated as a result of their membership. It > >short, the material belongs as much to any member as the group as a > >whole. If a member sells an original publication, then he has sold the > >rights to this material to the person that takes possession. > > > >Regards, > >Jim Hawes > > > > > > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the > >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate > >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net > >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate > annapplegate@maysvilleky.net > Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html

Jim, since I have earned an excellent living throuh the practice of law for many years, I was giving you some free legal advice in my first post. If you chose to ignore it that is entirely up to you. I have read other of your posts and realize you are a man with many opinions. I always try to make utterances in a language understood by the person to whom I speak, thus my choice of words. All law, copyright or otherwise, should be taken very seriously. The laws were made for a reason. Laws are not made because legislators need something to do. Most printed and electronic materials contain the warning that we may NOT reproduce the work in any form without the explicit written permission of the author. Choosing to ignore this warning is asking for trouble. And a good attorney could go to the archives of this list and use your posts as evidence and his/her case against you would be won. I retire once again now to the recesses of this list. Since I get paid handsomely for arguing, I do not do it pro-bono. Y2K to you, also. DC >From: Jim Hawes <JimHawes@ix.netcom.com> >Reply-To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Copyright "NOT" >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:17:04 -0800 > >Douglas your thoughts are abstract at best and speak poorly of your ability >to understand and intrepid >the law. If you take exception to what I have written then I suggest you >take it up with the Superior >Court in the Fifth District. I further state rather that suggest that there >is case law to support what >I have written. There are always jack authors who would like to elevate >their line for line copying of >public documents as protected material. If you care to continue this >exchange for the sake of argument >rather than enlightenment, I am not interested. To frequently persons will >attempt to invoke an >emotional response with catch words or phrases i.e. "desperately" or "find >yourself in a mess" or an >accusatory "you cannot". Nothing you wrote suggested any first hand >knowledge of copyright law or how >case law has further defined copyright laws. Most honest genealogical >publications contain the >following statement or something very similar: Kentucky Bluegrass Roots, >aka' Kentucky Genealogical >Society; "The purpose of Bluegrass ROOTS is to provide help for all >genealogists, Therefore, other >not-for-profit organizations with the same purpose are hereby authorized to >reprint any material >published in Bluegrass ROOTS, If appropriate, credit will be appreciated, >but it is not required." This >statement is more common than not and I challenge you to produce one >instance where a suit has been >filed against any person sharing genealogical related information from a >printed or electronic >publication. > >Happy New Year, >Jim Hawes > >Douglas Cartier wrote: > > > Jim you desperately need to consult with a copyright attorney before you >get > > yourself into a mess. You cannot interpret the laws to suit yourself. >They > > say what they say. Material from public records that are a part of a > > genealogical work are indeed part of the copyright. And if you think >that > > any coyrighted material published in a publication then becomes the >property > > of the purchasers of the publication, you are way off. Way, way off. >If > > this were the case, there would be no need for copyrights to start with. > > Some people are a law unto themselves; I certainly hope that everyone on > > this list will be careful rather than sorry. > > DC > > > > >From: Jim Hawes <JimHawes@ix.netcom.com> > > >Reply-To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Copyright "NOT" > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:32:27 -0800 > > > > > > > > >There is some question as to rather an electronic reproduction and > > >written/printed document are the same. > > > > > >There is no law wherein you cannot share with others of common interest > > >material wherein: a: The amount of material shared does not degrade the > > >marketability of the copyrighted text in its entirety. b: The material > > >is not generally available to the public. c: The material shared is not > > >for profit. d: A copyright is for original material and not that which > > >is copied from public records! > > > > > >(Conclusion) > > >This has been challenged many times in the courts where the court has > > >found that a book/text can be broken down into sections. The original > > >conclusions or comments of the author are protected by copyright but >not > > >the public records contained within the same book/text. These remain > > >public documents and can be shared, posted reprinted to your hearts > > >content. A good example is the New England Dictionary published in > > >1829. A person whom I will not name found the book, typed the > > >information for electronic publication and called it copyrighted! This > > >is just not how the copyright laws work nor is it how they were >intended > > >to work. A genealogical study is a research project not an attempt to > > >plagiarize original works. When information is taken from more than >two > > >sources, IT'S RESEARCH. Articles written and published monthly, > > >quarterly etc. in genealogical publications is copyrighted. You may > > >extract portions, insert your own comment and it is not copyrighted. > > >Again, an article that quotes original material is only protected for > > >that portion of original content. The preoccupation with copyright law > > >by persons who operate these mail list's is totally beyond me. I > > >question rather any genealogical publication produced for the > > >distribution of it's members is copyrighted at all! I arrive at this > > >for the following reason. Members pay a monthly or annual membership > > >fee. The material is produced for its members as a result of their > > >membership. This means that any member can then copy and freely > > >distribute information generated as a result of their membership. It > > >short, the material belongs as much to any member as the group as a > > >whole. If a member sells an original publication, then he has sold the > > >rights to this material to the person that takes possession. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Jim Hawes > > > > > > > > > > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the > > >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate > > >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net > > >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate > > annapplegate@maysvilleky.net > > Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > > Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to: >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Descendants of Zachariah Salyer Jr. 1 Zachariah Salyer Jr. Aft. 1765 - Abt. 1845 d: Abt. 1845 in Johnson Co.,KY. .. +Mary Saylor ......... 2 Samuel Salyer Sr. Abt. 1787 - ......... 2 William Salyer Abt. 1788 - ......... 2 Benjamin Salyer 1796-1798 - ......... 2 Jacob Salyer Bef. 1798 - ......... 2 Levi Salyer 1800-1802 - ......... 2 Joseph Salyer Abt. 1805 - Aft. 1880 d: Aft. 1880 in Joe's Creek ,Johnson Co.,KY. ............. +Sarah Salyer Abt. 1809 - d: in KY .................... 3 Henderson Salyer Abt. 1825 - Abt. 1900 d: Abt. 1900 in Mud Lick,Johnson Co.,KY. ........................ +Nancy Fugate Abt. 1825 - ............................... 4 William M. Salyer ............................... 4 Joseph F. Salyer 1848 - ................................... +Mary Jane Blanton ............................... 4 Luanna Salyer 1849 - ................................... +Ephraim Salyer ............................... 4 Rebecca Salyer Abt. 1850 - 1853 d: May 12, 1853 ............................... 4 Sarah Ellen Salyer 1852 - 1853 d: May 13, 1853 ............................... 4 James Robert Salyer 1853 - 1926 d: August 07, 1926 in Boyd CO.,KY ................................... +Amanda Lemaster 1864 - 1897 d: 1897 in Johnson CO.,KY. ........................................... 5 Virgie Salyer 1885 - 1963 d: September 19, 1963 in Greenup Co.,KY. ............................................... +C.C. Gillispie ........................................... 5 Conrad Salyer 1887 - ........................................... 5 Kendrick Salyer 1890 - 1978 d: June 17, 1978 ............................................... +Carrie Atkinson ........................................... 5 Cora Salyer 1892 - 1963 d: February 24, 1963 in Ashland,Boyd CO. KY. ............................................... +Emzah Clinton Hickman 1890 - 1965 d: August 30, 1965 in Ashland,Boyd CO. KY. ........................................... 5 Granville Salyer Unknown - ............................... 4 Granville Salyer 1857 - ............................... 4 Mary Ann Salyer 1859 - ............................... 4 [1] Jefferson Davis Salyer 1861 - ................................... +Louisa J. Skagg ............................... *2nd Wife of [1] Jefferson Davis Salyer: ................................... +Victoria Salyer .................... 3 Asa Salyer Abt. 1827 - ........................ +Elizabeth Cantrell .................... 3 Nancy Salyer 1829-1830 - ........................ +Henry Osborn .................... 3 Samuel P. Salyer Abt. 1830 - 1904 d: September 19, 1904 in Flat Gap,Johnson Co.,KY ........................ +Ursley Evans .................... 3 Elizabeth Salyer Abt. 1832 - Abt. 1900 d: Abt. 1900 in Paint Creek,Morgan Co.,KY. ........................ +John Cantrell .................... 3 Marshall Laney Salyer Abt. 1835 - Abt. 1900 d: Abt. 1900 ........................ +Mary Ann Hamilton .................... 3 Sirena Salyer Abt. 1839 - ........................ +Daniel J.V.Jayne .................... 3 Ressie B. Salyer Abt. 1841 - ........................ +David Harrison Cox .................... 3 Hardin Henderson Salyer 1845-1846 - 1834 d: February 10, 1834 ........................ +Newcarius Conley .................... 3 Margaret Salyer Abt. 1848 - ........................ +Daniel Serratt .................... 3 Rebecca J. Salyer Abt. 1850 - ........................ +John McKenzie ......... 2 John Salyer Abt. 1810 -

I would be interested in seeing the pictures of your family. I have some Lemasters in my Borders/Sellards line and would like to see some of the ancestors pictures. Shirley Borders Ferst -----Original Message----- From: Mattheis, William G <Mattheis.Bill@HQ.NAVY.MIL> To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com <KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: RE: BIG FEET Lemasters >Bud, > >Thanks for the URL. The photos were great and will be integrated into my >Lemaster records. > >Bill Mattheis > >-----Original Message----- >From: BnLFAMILY@aol.com [mailto:BnLFAMILY@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 6:13 PM >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: BIG FEET Lemasters > > >Shannon: >Does she also get he looks from the Lemasters. I'm very proud of my great >grandmother Lucinda Lemasters Caudle/Cordial. You can see a picture of her >at >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/o/Robert-Eugene-Moore/index.html > >This is the one that wore the size 12 shoes. >Bud Caudle. > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > >

I would be ionterested in seeing the pictures of W R Wheeler. and children. I am a descendant of Borders/Sellards and would like to see what some of my ancestors looked like. Shirley Borders Ferst -----Original Message----- From: McKenzie <kenzie@foothills.net> To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com <KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Borders and Sellards >Hi all, > >I really should'nt do this, because I am going to be very busy until after >Christmas, and probably won't get much time to send my lines, I really need >to sit down and get this on disk instead of only hard copy so I can just >paste it in a letter anytime I need to, but it is very confusing and looong! >Anyways here it is- I have found that I descend from this couple at least 4 >times right now, and my decscends from them at least once. (as you all >know-this treasure hunting seems like a life-long hunt) So I would'nt be >surprised to find more connections somewhere. I am the 9th generation 3 >times and the 10th generation once. My husband is the 9th generation also. >My family intermarried so much it is almost unreal (almost because I am >proof, and so are a lot of others <grin>). I am currently living in Johnson >co. Ky, at Chandlersville. My Major surnames are Wheeler, Chandler, Craft, >Slone and Wheeler, Wheeler, Wheeler! Actually I descend from the children of >William Ramey Wheeler and Elizabeth Borders, 4 of their 18 children! do >either of you have any of these surnames in your lines? If so, I have >pictures of W. R. Wheeler, his father and some of W. R. Wheelers children >and so on. > >Hope to hear from you soon, >Vicki >-----Original Message----- >From: specialteach@dickson.net <specialteach@dickson.net> >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com <KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 4:17 PM >Subject: Re: Borders and Sellards > > >>Shannon, >> This start page might help you begin Borders/Sellards research. >> >>http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Randal-G-Bowling/GENE47-0001.ht m >l >> >>Your 'cuz' >>Nancy >> >> >>==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >>Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to: >>annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >>Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html >> > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > >

Jim you desperately need to consult with a copyright attorney before you get yourself into a mess. You cannot interpret the laws to suit yourself. They say what they say. Material from public records that are a part of a genealogical work are indeed part of the copyright. And if you think that any coyrighted material published in a publication then becomes the property of the purchasers of the publication, you are way off. Way, way off. If this were the case, there would be no need for copyrights to start with. Some people are a law unto themselves; I certainly hope that everyone on this list will be careful rather than sorry. DC >From: Jim Hawes <JimHawes@ix.netcom.com> >Reply-To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Copyright "NOT" >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:32:27 -0800 > > >There is some question as to rather an electronic reproduction and >written/printed document are the same. > >There is no law wherein you cannot share with others of common interest >material wherein: a: The amount of material shared does not degrade the >marketability of the copyrighted text in its entirety. b: The material >is not generally available to the public. c: The material shared is not >for profit. d: A copyright is for original material and not that which >is copied from public records! > >(Conclusion) >This has been challenged many times in the courts where the court has >found that a book/text can be broken down into sections. The original >conclusions or comments of the author are protected by copyright but not >the public records contained within the same book/text. These remain >public documents and can be shared, posted reprinted to your hearts >content. A good example is the New England Dictionary published in >1829. A person whom I will not name found the book, typed the >information for electronic publication and called it copyrighted! This >is just not how the copyright laws work nor is it how they were intended >to work. A genealogical study is a research project not an attempt to >plagiarize original works. When information is taken from more than two >sources, IT'S RESEARCH. Articles written and published monthly, >quarterly etc. in genealogical publications is copyrighted. You may >extract portions, insert your own comment and it is not copyrighted. >Again, an article that quotes original material is only protected for >that portion of original content. The preoccupation with copyright law >by persons who operate these mail list's is totally beyond me. I >question rather any genealogical publication produced for the >distribution of it's members is copyrighted at all! I arrive at this >for the following reason. Members pay a monthly or annual membership >fee. The material is produced for its members as a result of their >membership. This means that any member can then copy and freely >distribute information generated as a result of their membership. It >short, the material belongs as much to any member as the group as a >whole. If a member sells an original publication, then he has sold the >rights to this material to the person that takes possession. > >Regards, >Jim Hawes > > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Mary, one thing a lot of people don't understand is that all that is necessary for a legal copyright is that you can prove you wrote it first. It does not have to have gone through the copyright procedure. This is one point in the law that many people have trouble with and in the case of genealogy could really lead you astray. DC >From: M1555@aol.com >Reply-To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >To: KYJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Copyrights >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:52:50 EST > >I have searched from cover to cover on my copies of the East Kentuckian and >I >cannot find anywhere that it says that it is copyrighted. Maybe I need my >glasses changed but I just can't find where it says copyright. > >I do know that starting in March of 1998 a young man in Wilmington, Ohio by >the name of Lukas P. Murphy became the editor of the East Kentuckian. I >believe he bought the rights from Clayton Cox before Clayton died. > >Mary in Ohio > > >==== KYJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Comments or suggestions pertaining to this list may be sent to the >listowner, Ann Lemaster-Applegate >annapplegate@maysvilleky.net >Visit the Johnson County Historical Society homepage: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjchs/johnson.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

There is some question as to rather an electronic reproduction and written/printed document are the same. There is no law wherein you cannot share with others of common interest material wherein: a: The amount of material shared does not degrade the marketability of the copyrighted text in its entirety. b: The material is not generally available to the public. c: The material shared is not for profit. d: A copyright is for original material and not that which is copied from public records! (Conclusion) This has been challenged many times in the courts where the court has found that a book/text can be broken down into sections. The original conclusions or comments of the author are protected by copyright but not the public records contained within the same book/text. These remain public documents and can be shared, posted reprinted to your hearts content. A good example is the New England Dictionary published in 1829. A person whom I will not name found the book, typed the information for electronic publication and called it copyrighted! This is just not how the copyright laws work nor is it how they were intended to work. A genealogical study is a research project not an attempt to plagiarize original works. When information is taken from more than two sources, IT'S RESEARCH. Articles written and published monthly, quarterly etc. in genealogical publications is copyrighted. You may extract portions, insert your own comment and it is not copyrighted. Again, an article that quotes original material is only protected for that portion of original content. The preoccupation with copyright law by persons who operate these mail list's is totally beyond me. I question rather any genealogical publication produced for the distribution of it's members is copyrighted at all! I arrive at this for the following reason. Members pay a monthly or annual membership fee. The material is produced for its members as a result of their membership. This means that any member can then copy and freely distribute information generated as a result of their membership. It short, the material belongs as much to any member as the group as a whole. If a member sells an original publication, then he has sold the rights to this material to the person that takes possession. Regards, Jim Hawes

What about contacting the present editor of TEK? I have--somewhere--his email address. The editor is Lukas Murphy; he is a student at EKU in Richmond; he is from Ohio but has ties to East KY. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Copyright is implied. Absence of written notice is meaningless. The following three sites offer good basic information. United States Copyright Office http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ The Copyright Website http://www.benedict.com/ When Works Pass Into the Public Domain, by Lolly Gasaway Nice chart maintained on the U of NC Server. http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm In order to publish or republish any material that is not public domain, written permission must be obtained from the publisher/author. That's it in a nutshell. Ellen Pack At 10:52 AM 12/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >I have searched from cover to cover on my copies of the East Kentuckian and I >cannot find anywhere that it says that it is copyrighted. Maybe I need my >glasses changed but I just can't find where it says copyright.

Nancy, how can I get in touch with Randall Bowling? Bill Reed

I have searched from cover to cover on my copies of the East Kentuckian and I cannot find anywhere that it says that it is copyrighted. Maybe I need my glasses changed but I just can't find where it says copyright. I do know that starting in March of 1998 a young man in Wilmington, Ohio by the name of Lukas P. Murphy became the editor of the East Kentuckian. I believe he bought the rights from Clayton Cox before Clayton died. Mary in Ohio