Hello again List.... I was able to assist with this person's request for birth and census info, but I'm uncertain of the ethniticities to which she refers. Can anyone give some definition to her remarks and question? "I have been reading about a number of settlers from European countries that settled in the area and are listed as "Black Irish" or "Black Dutch" as well as perhaps those who may have mixed with local Native American or African Americans many years ago. My dad was black haired and blue eyed...not usually associated with German heritage (as his name suggests). I wonder if there is someplace online I could go to see what sort of ethnic mix might have been in the area say in the early 1800's or before." As always, your expertise is always appreciated, Donnie

Here are some links she may find helpful: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/blkdutch.htm http://www.rosecity.net/cherokee/blackdutch.html Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald L. Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] More List help needed - Heina Family > Hello again List.... > > I was able to assist with this person's request for birth and census info, > but I'm uncertain of the ethniticities to which she refers. Can anyone > give some definition to her remarks and question? > > "I have been reading about a number of settlers from European countries > that > settled in the area and are listed as "Black Irish" or "Black Dutch" as > well > as perhaps those who may have mixed with local Native American or African > Americans many years ago. My dad was black haired and blue eyed...not > usually associated with German heritage (as his name suggests). I wonder > if > there is someplace online I could go to see what sort of ethnic mix might > have been in the area say in the early 1800's or before." > > As always, your expertise is always appreciated, > > Donnie > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of the > KyGenWeb and USGenWeb, and are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

When this person says "might have been in this area" are they referring to Louisville or Kentucky? There were Melungeons in Kentucky, and I'm sure eventually some of them made their way to Louisville. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald L. Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] More List help needed - Heina Family > Hello again List.... > > I was able to assist with this person's request for birth and census info, > but I'm uncertain of the ethniticities to which she refers. Can anyone > give some definition to her remarks and question? > > "I have been reading about a number of settlers from European countries that > settled in the area and are listed as "Black Irish" or "Black Dutch" as well > as perhaps those who may have mixed with local Native American or African > Americans many years ago. My dad was black haired and blue eyed...not > usually associated with German heritage (as his name suggests). I wonder if > there is someplace online I could go to see what sort of ethnic mix might > have been in the area say in the early 1800's or before." > > As always, your expertise is always appreciated, > > Donnie > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of the KyGenWeb and USGenWeb, and are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

About the ethnic stew of Jefferson County in 1800: My great-grandmother Joan Yager was born near Jeffersontown in Jefferson Co., KY, in 1847. Her father was of entirely German blood and descended from the Madison and Culpeper Co., Virginia, Second Colony Germanna families who had arrived in Virginia in 1717. In the one photo I have of him, he was fair-skinned and blue eyed and probably fair-haired. Her mother, however, was Harriet Kelley, born to a family that was a mix of Scotch-Irish on the paternal side, and Swiss/German heritage on the mother's side, the Funks and the Brentlingers. The Funks, and Brentlingers had been in Jefferson County since 1792 and the Kelleys since 1796. Although I have an 1813 letter which identifies some of my Funk and Brentlinger ancestors as "Dutch," meaning that they saw themselves as a distinct community, their children intermarried with many of the familiar names around the Jeffersontown area that wer enot necessarily German, and the Kelleys, who were Protestant, married into families that were not necessarily Scotch-Irish. Kelleys married Bairds, Millers, Fredericks, Johnsons, Seatons, Lewis', Meddis', Shadburns, Woodsmalls. Funks married Geigers, Taylors, Martins, Hites. Brentlingers married Wymans, Wells', Bates', Ganotes, McClures, Hokes, Omers, Newkirks. Collateral lines married into such familiar names as Chenowith, Seaton, Taylor, and many others from Southeast Jefferson County. I have tintypes of Joan Yager and her two brothers that show them all, in their youth, as having have black hair, black eyebrows, and striking blue eyes. One might be tempted to call them "Black Irish" when knowing about their mother's surname (Harriet Kelley), but then one would have to wonder about the genes of their father as well as Harriet's mother! All of Joan Yager's children were blond or redheaded. All of which goes to show that where there is an ethnic stew, there may not be a lot of predictability about physical appearance.