During one census, my oldest son as living with us. Within a month, he took a job in another county and moved. Later when we were talking on the phone, he said his landlord told him the census taker had been there that day and told my son how he had put his name down. So in that census he was listed as Nicholas in our household and Nick in the other county. It takes quite awhile to get the information gathered so it could be possible the wife was living when the census was taken and died before it was published. Sherrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Waggener <sequoia@pacbell.net> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:39 Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > I have done a lot of work with different censuses and agree with > Walkers > comments. Although many of these records are very good and very > accurate, > there are many aberrations and errors. It is clear in many of > the records I > have seen, that the person in the household who spoke to the > census > enumerator, really didn't know much about the people in the > household. I can > only imagine that it was sometimes a child or maybe a visiting > friend, and > that the enumerator was in too big of a hurry to worry about or > care that > the information was less than complete and less than accurate. > Without > question it is possible that a recently deceased person could > have been > listed in a census record. > > Rick Waggener > Walnut Creek, California > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walker McCulloch" <wkmcculloch@yahoo.com> > To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > > > > No, but I can imagine a scenario where the census taker asked > the wife's > > name and the informant didn't say she was deceased, and the > census taker > > didn't specifically ask. Or the census taker really > didn't contact anyone > > in the household but secured information from a neighbor who > did't think > > or bother to say the wife had died. Probably sloppy > questioning on the > > part of the census taker. > > > > I ran into the same thing in the 1830 Foyd Co., IN > census. A person who > > was widowed in 1825 remarried several months before the 1830 > census was > > taken, and there she is, listed under her former name, in the > house where > > she had lived beofre her remarriage. > > > > WKMcCulloch > > > > > > NAVLAWCFM@aol.com wrote: > > Fellow Listers....A family tree member just raised the > following question > > re > > 1900 census (was for Carol Co, ARK, but would apply anywhere > I'd think): > > The > > particular household listed family members who supposedly were > living > > there as > > of 1 June 1900; we have reliable info that the wife listed > there had > > actually > > died 24 April that year during child birth. So, what gives? > Anyone know of > > a Census procedure that would actually list people who had > recently died? > > Appreciate any thoughts about this curious item. Puzzled in > Olympia. > > Charlie > > Murphy > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC- > to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > The Jefferson County, Kentucky History and Genealogy page is > proud to be a > > part of the KyGenWeb and the USGenWeb Projects, both of which > are > > not-for-profit endeavors. Visit us at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/ > > for the latest updates. > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, Kentucky History and Genealogy page is > proud to be a part of the KyGenWeb and the USGenWeb Projects, > both of which are not-for-profit endeavors. Visit us at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/ for the latest updates. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family > and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >
I know that if somebody tries to look me up in the 2000 census someday, they won't find me. I am in the military and was away from home on assignment, so the person who was my wife at the time didn't put me since I wasn't physically in our house. However, we were told by the military where I was stationed to make sure that we got counted where we really lived, not where we currently were. Her refusal to cooperate made it so I would not be counted. If I am not mistaken, in certain years, they were supposed to count people who lived there as of 1 January or some other such date, despite the fact that the census was taken later. I could be wrong though. If this was the case, however, it could explain why people who had died could be counted. If the people who were actually answering the questions couldn't keep track of the date... Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: <sherrie.childers@insightbb.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > During one census, my oldest son as living with us. Within a month, he > took a job in another county and moved. Later when we were talking on the > phone, he said his landlord told him the census taker had been there that > day and told my son how he had put his name down. So in that census he > was listed as Nicholas in our household and Nick in the other county. It > takes quite awhile to get the information gathered so it could be possible > the wife was living when the census was taken and died before it was > published. > > Sherrie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Waggener <sequoia@pacbell.net> > Date: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:39 > Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > >> I have done a lot of work with different censuses and agree with >> Walkers >> comments. Although many of these records are very good and very >> accurate, >> there are many aberrations and errors. It is clear in many of >> the records I >> have seen, that the person in the household who spoke to the >> census >> enumerator, really didn't know much about the people in the >> household. I can >> only imagine that it was sometimes a child or maybe a visiting >> friend, and >> that the enumerator was in too big of a hurry to worry about or >> care that >> the information was less than complete and less than accurate. >> Without >> question it is possible that a recently deceased person could >> have been >> listed in a census record. >> >> Rick Waggener >> Walnut Creek, California >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walker McCulloch" <wkmcculloch@yahoo.com> >> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure >> >> >> > No, but I can imagine a scenario where the census taker asked >> the wife's >> > name and the informant didn't say she was deceased, and the >> census taker >> > didn't specifically ask. Or the census taker really >> didn't contact anyone >> > in the household but secured information from a neighbor who >> did't think >> > or bother to say the wife had died. Probably sloppy >> questioning on the >> > part of the census taker. >> > >> > I ran into the same thing in the 1830 Foyd Co., IN >> census. A person who >> > was widowed in 1825 remarried several months before the 1830 >> census was >> > taken, and there she is, listed under her former name, in the >> house where >> > she had lived beofre her remarriage. >> > >> > WKMcCulloch >> > >> > >> > NAVLAWCFM@aol.com wrote: >> > Fellow Listers....A family tree member just raised the >> following question >> > re >> > 1900 census (was for Carol Co, ARK, but would apply anywhere >> I'd think): >> > The >> > particular household listed family members who supposedly were >> living >> > there as >> > of 1 June 1900; we have reliable info that the wife listed >> there had >> > actually >> > died 24 April that year during child birth. So, what gives? >> Anyone know of >> > a Census procedure that would actually list people who had >> recently died? >> > Appreciate any thoughts about this curious item. Puzzled in >> Olympia. >> > Charlie >> > Murphy >> > >> > >> > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== >> > Search the Jefferson List Archives: >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER >> > >> > or the Jefferson threaded archives: >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER >> > >> > ============================== >> > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Patrick, What is your Hays line? Mine is from Bullitt County. Sherrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays <patrick@migrations.org> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2006 18:24 Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > I know that if somebody tries to look me up > in the 2000 census someday, > they won't find me. I am in the military and was away from > home on > assignment, so the person who was my wife at the time didn't put > me since I > wasn't physically in our house. However, we were told by > the military where > I was stationed to make sure that we got counted where we really > lived, not > where we currently were. Her refusal to cooperate made it > so I would not be > counted. > If I am not mistaken, in certain years, they > were supposed to count > people who lived there as of 1 January or some other such date, > despite the > fact that the census was taken later. I could be wrong > though. If this was > the case, however, it could explain why people who had died > could be > counted. If the people who were actually answering the > questions couldn't > keep track of the date... > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sherrie.childers@insightbb.com> > To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > > > > During one census, my oldest son as living with us. > Within a month, he > > took a job in another county and moved. Later when we > were talking on the > > phone, he said his landlord told him the census taker had been > there that > > day and told my son how he had put his name down. So in > that census he > > was listed as Nicholas in our household and Nick in the other > county. It > > takes quite awhile to get the information gathered so it could > be possible > > the wife was living when the census was taken and died before > it was > > published. > > > > Sherrie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Waggener <sequoia@pacbell.net> > > Date: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:39 > > Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >> I have done a lot of work with different censuses and agree with > >> Walkers > >> comments. Although many of these records are very good and very > >> accurate, > >> there are many aberrations and errors. It is clear in many of > >> the records I > >> have seen, that the person in the household who spoke to the > >> census > >> enumerator, really didn't know much about the people in the > >> household. I can > >> only imagine that it was sometimes a child or maybe a visiting > >> friend, and > >> that the enumerator was in too big of a hurry to worry about or > >> care that > >> the information was less than complete and less than accurate. > >> Without > >> question it is possible that a recently deceased person could > >> have been > >> listed in a census record. > >> > >> Rick Waggener > >> Walnut Creek, California > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Walker McCulloch" <wkmcculloch@yahoo.com> > >> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:35 PM > >> Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re: Census query re procedure > >> > >> > >> > No, but I can imagine a scenario where the census taker asked > >> the wife's > >> > name and the informant didn't say she was deceased, and the > >> census taker > >> > didn't specifically ask. Or the census taker really > >> didn't contact anyone > >> > in the household but secured information from a neighbor who > >> did't think > >> > or bother to say the wife had died. Probably sloppy > >> questioning on the > >> > part of the census taker. > >> > > >> > I ran into the same thing in the 1830 Foyd Co., IN > >> census. A person who > >> > was widowed in 1825 remarried several months before the 1830 > >> census was > >> > taken, and there she is, listed under her former name, in the > >> house where > >> > she had lived beofre her remarriage. > >> > > >> > WKMcCulloch > >> > > >> > > >> > NAVLAWCFM@aol.com wrote: > >> > Fellow Listers....A family tree member just raised the > >> following question > >> > re > >> > 1900 census (was for Carol Co, ARK, but would apply anywhere > >> I'd think): > >> > The > >> > particular household listed family members who supposedly were > >> living > >> > there as > >> > of 1 June 1900; we have reliable info that the wife listed > >> there had > >> > actually > >> > died 24 April that year during child birth. So, what gives? > >> Anyone know of > >> > a Census procedure that would actually list people who had > >> recently died? > >> > Appreciate any thoughts about this curious item. Puzzled in > >> Olympia. > >> > Charlie > >> > Murphy > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >> > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi- > bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER>> > > >> > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > >> > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low > PC- > >> to-Phone call > >> > rates. > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >> > The Jefferson County, Kentucky History and Genealogy page is > >> proud to be a > >> > part of the KyGenWeb and the USGenWeb Projects, both of which > >> are > >> > not-for-profit endeavors. 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