Alex, I checked "The Encyclopedia of Louisville" for "Pond Creek". On page 44, in an article on Architecture, is says, "Settlements at Pond Creek, Mann's Lick, Shively's Mill, Flat Lick, Transylvania, Middletown, and Brunerstown (Jeffersontown) are shown on an 1819 map of Jefferson County." That's the only reference to Pond Creek listed in the index of the book. Pat Settle CatMom1@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know of any research done on Pond Creek Settlement? It is referred to constantly in early Jefferson Co. documents. Where exactly did it lie, and what families are associated with it? Was it actually a town or a general area? Alex ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genealogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access

Hi! I would like to know if you have time to visit Cave Hill and find out if they have any records on: Alice Madge Benseman Gray (my gr gr grandmother) b in KY Dec. 17, 1863 and died Nov. 28, 1901; her husband and my gr gr grandfather, Frank Eugene Gray, b. July 18, 1860 in Conesus (Livingston), NY and died Dec. 26, 1916 in Louisville; and one of their children, Agnes Marguerite Gray, b. 1893 and died in 1897 in Louisville. All are buried in Cave Hill. I would be happy to reimburse you for any costs. Thanks! Linda Kambeitz in California lindaktz@aol.com

Hello-- I am new to the Jefferson Co. list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Alex Luken, and I research primarily the FLOYD family, in particular that of Robert Clark Floyd. It is not my family line, but one that has "adopted" me. The family has proved to be an interesting way to learn early American history. I am primarily interested in KY history prior to the Civil War. My own family came from Eastern Europe to Canada in the 1930's, and burned all the limbs of the tree behind them. My husband's family lived on the same farm on Dixie Highway in Jefferson Co. from about 1850 to 1997. He is the youngest son of the youngest son of the youngest son; my husband is 45, his great-grandfather was born in 1826. Unfortunately his aunt burned the family bible during WWII because it was written in German and she considered it unpatriotic to keep it. I live in Louisville near Cave Hill Cemetery, if anyone ever needs anything from there. Regards, Alex Luken

Dear Alex, Welcome to the list. When I was a boy I lived near the same cemetery. That was over 50 years ago. Now I am forced to live near L.A. I have a question: Are you interested in the same Floyd group that provided a son for the Lewis and Clark Expedition? That family lived near Louisville. Sgt Nathaniel Hale Pryor, his first cousin, was in Louisville and also was on the expedition. Tom whose mother was a Pryor ----- Original Message ----- From: <CatMom1@aol.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] New to this list--my introduction > Hello-- > > I am new to the Jefferson Co. list and just wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Alex Luken, and I research primarily the FLOYD family, in particular > that of Robert Clark Floyd. It is not my family line, but one that has > "adopted" me. The family has proved to be an interesting way to learn early > American history. I am primarily interested in KY history prior to the Civil > War. > > My own family came from Eastern Europe to Canada in the 1930's, and burned > all the limbs of the tree behind them. My husband's family lived on the same > farm on Dixie Highway in Jefferson Co. from about 1850 to 1997. He is the > youngest son of the youngest son of the youngest son; my husband is 45, his > great-grandfather was born in 1826. Unfortunately his aunt burned the family > bible during WWII because it was written in German and she considered it > unpatriotic to keep it. > > I live in Louisville near Cave Hill Cemetery, if anyone ever needs anything > from there. > Regards, > Alex Luken > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

No. All I have is an 1874 news paper clipping. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Williams" <lcwa@worldnet.att.net> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [KYJEFFER] Names from the past > Tom: > My relatives were in the wholesale grocery business in the late 1800s, as > well as operating grocery stores and butcher shops. The names would have > been Dupere and Williams. Any trace of those names in your research? > Lou Williams > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Fiske [mailto:evitom@altrionet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:02 PM > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Names from the past > > Dear Listers, > > As I was putting together an article about Bad Bill Smoot of the KKK (Owen > Co.) I came across some Louisville names that might interest someone on the > list. Bill Smoot and his brother shot James M. Walker to death on May 4, > 1874. (There were other victims before and after this date, but Walker was > my ggf, so I took an exception to his killing and wrote a novel about it.) > > The Walkers were in the general merchandising business and thus had contacts > with Louisville wholesalers. In an article in the Louisville > Courier-Journal between Sept. 23, 1873 and May 4, 1874, Walker mentioned > these names: John Faxon, Market Street; Henry Quast of Quast and Chilton?, > Main Street; Wm Rosenberg, Main Street; and _ep. Helman, with Bamberger, > Bloom & Co. > > Tom > > > > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy > project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for > information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.alhn.org and http://www.ahgp.org > Go here for additional American History resources. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Could someone please do a lookup for this woman, thank you! Melissa Murray FRANCES S MURRAY Date 540209 Age 073 Place <A HREF="http://www.uky.edu/KentuckyAtlas/21111.html">JEFFN</A> Residence JEFFERSON Volume 006 Cert 02601 Deathvol 54

Hi Loretta! I just wanted to share that I believe my 2-great grandfather, his brother and their mother lived in that boarding house on walnut street! They were Charles, William and Elizabeth Graeter and the 1910 Louisville directory lists their address is something and 1/2 Walnut street. (I have the exact address in my notes, but thought from the beginning it was some kind of boarding house/apartment house). William owned a cigar buisiness and Charles was a cigar maker. It was real neat to see the boarding house mentioned on the list! Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Loretta Mikolyski Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:19 AM To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYJEFFER] Elizabeth Schnetz/ Charles Weber Hi list, I believe Charles Weber was Elizabeth Schnetz' 2nd husband. Elizabeth was born 1886. She ran a boarding house with her father, Charles Schnetz, on Walnut St., Louisville, in 1920's. Would love to learn when Elizabeth married Charles Weber and when they died. Thanks for any help anyone can give. Gratefully, Loretta Lee _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Thanks for trying. Patty On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 08:49 AM, <pamspage@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > ============================================================ > From: Dan & Patty Bearfield <dpbear@rconnect.com> > Date: 2002/07/02 Tue PM 11:16:13 EDT > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYJEFFER] birth or census records > > I Looked on FTM 1850 census for John Davis sorry no help. > > Does anyone have census records for 1850 or information about where I > could locate birth records? I am looking for any information regarding > Catharine DAVIS b. 8 Aug 1845 in Louisville, Jefferson County, > Kentucky. Her father's name may have been John. According to later > census records, her mother was born in Indiana and her father in > Alabama. > Dan & Patty > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy > project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html > for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================================================ > > > Pamela (Blair) Nunn > Researhing Blair, Phelps,Browing, Murphy, Okes,Denham, Miller, Gerkins, > Grimes, Johnson, Houchins, Davis, Merridith,and many more. > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.migrations.org > If your information isn't in our database, submit it today! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Someone had this posted on the web: The farthest into history that I know my Wintermantels is Jacob, b. 1799 in Baden, Germany, who came to US in 1856. I don't know his parents or if he had siblings. He married Salome Walter. Their children: Frederich (Louisville KY), Salome, John Jacob, George Frederich, Anna Maria, George Jacob, John George, William, Rosina, and Christian. I am sorry that I can't connect with your Carl or Mathias. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Edwards" <jedwards@umich.edu> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Friederich Wintermantel d. 1847 > Hi, > I am searching for the possible gravesite of a "lost" brother of my gr gr > grandmother. Georg Friederich Wintermantel, and possibly an older > brother, came to the US on or before 1847. The parents and other siblings > came later, and settled in WI. But Friederich is reported to have died in > Louisville KY in 1847, according to an old family letter. > > I suspect that Friederich probably does not have a gravestone and is > buried near Louisville. Are there cemetary lists of Louisville cemetaries > that would include those graves that are unmarked? How might I access any > Louisville cemetary lists? > > Thanks, > Julie Schmiedlin Edwards > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry Julie, I'm not responding directly to your question, but your name caused me to write. Do you know the origin of your Schmiedlin line? Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Edwards" <jedwards@umich.edu> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Friederich Wintermantel d. 1847 > Hi, > I am searching for the possible gravesite of a "lost" brother of my gr gr > grandmother. Georg Friederich Wintermantel, and possibly an older > brother, came to the US on or before 1847. The parents and other siblings > came later, and settled in WI. But Friederich is reported to have died in > Louisville KY in 1847, according to an old family letter. > > I suspect that Friederich probably does not have a gravestone and is > buried near Louisville. Are there cemetary lists of Louisville cemetaries > that would include those graves that are unmarked? How might I access any > Louisville cemetary lists? > > Thanks, > Julie Schmiedlin Edwards > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I am searching for the possible gravesite of a "lost" brother of my gr gr grandmother. Georg Friederich Wintermantel, and possibly an older brother, came to the US on or before 1847. The parents and other siblings came later, and settled in WI. But Friederich is reported to have died in Louisville KY in 1847, according to an old family letter. I suspect that Friederich probably does not have a gravestone and is buried near Louisville. Are there cemetary lists of Louisville cemetaries that would include those graves that are unmarked? How might I access any Louisville cemetary lists? Thanks, Julie Schmiedlin Edwards

Looking for descendants of Americus Metcalf and his wife, Mary Ellen Gardiner. They and their 3 daughters are listed in the 1870 Louisville census. The daughters are Florence L., 7, Mary C., 5 and Angelar, 2. Americus and Mary Ellen were from Nelson County. Her mother, Catherine Payne Gardiner, lived with them. Thanks, Susan

I also have a connection with a bakery in Louisville. It was called Grau Bakery and Confectionary located at 1747 Portland and shows up in the 1890 directory. According to family stories, my great-grandfather, William Frederick Grau, and his brother, Charles Grau, worked here with their uncle, Eberhard Grau. The brothers then opened their own bakery in Hopkinsville. At the same address Louis Bornwasser (who married Eberhard's daughter, Minnie, is also listed in 1890. What I am trying to verify is that Eberhard was actually related to William and Charles -- I have only an oral history to go by. If anyone can help with directory information, etc., I would be most grateful. When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access

Hi list, I believe Charles Weber was Elizabeth Schnetz' 2nd husband. Elizabeth was born 1886. She ran a boarding house with her father, Charles Schnetz, on Walnut St., Louisville, in 1920's. Would love to learn when Elizabeth married Charles Weber and when they died. Thanks for any help anyone can give. Gratefully, Loretta Lee _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Thank you for the info on the Miller & Son Funeral home. It was disappointing to hear about the records being burned. But now I won't be trying to locate them anywhere. I have heard about that Heintzman Bakery. In that same directory there is a listing showing that Charles even worked with a Robert Heinzelman. Then I found a census listing, 1900 I believe, for a Robert who was a resident of the insane asylum there in Jefferson County. I don't know what the connection is between Elizabeth and Robert. The puzzle is trying to piece all this together. What I need to do is write to the bakery and ask about it's beginning. I wonder if the chamber of commerce in Louisville would know anything about that. Thanks for the reply. Loretta Lee _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Found Charles Schnetz baker at 1928 W Market in the Louisville 1890 Directory. There is a bakery in Louisville thats been around for a long time by the name of HEINTZMAN. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta Mikolyski" <lmikolyski@hotmail.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Miller&Son Funeral Home > > > Hi list, > My gr grandma, Elizabeth Margaret (Heinzelmann) Schnetz, is shown to have > given birth to 6 children, and only 4 were living on the 1900 census. She > and Karl/Carl/Charles Schnetz married in 1884. I know nothing of her two > children that died. I've learned through a kind person, Alan, from this > list, that there is a Robert Schnetz buried in Cave Hill Cemetery, Sep 1895, > without a grave marker and among children. The cemetery no longer has > records going back that far, but they were able to tell me the exact > location of his grave and that Miller & Son Funeral Home, no longer in > existance, handled the preparations. I'm trying to learn if Robert was one > of Elizabeth's children that wasn't alive in 1900. Does anyone know where > might the records of the former funeral home be? or who took over the > business? Would the Kenucky Department of Library and Archives have a death > certificate on him? Thank you for any info or direction anyone can give me. > Gratefully, Loretta Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Loretta, I too tried locating the Miller funeral home records. I had made several phone calls to the funeral homes who had been around for awhile, trying to find out what happened to the records. I finally spoke with an elderly gentleman who told me that the Miller widow, at the time of closing, burned all of the records. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta Mikolyski" <lmikolyski@hotmail.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Miller&Son Funeral Home > > > Hi list, > My gr grandma, Elizabeth Margaret (Heinzelmann) Schnetz, is shown to have > given birth to 6 children, and only 4 were living on the 1900 census. She > and Karl/Carl/Charles Schnetz married in 1884. I know nothing of her two > children that died. I've learned through a kind person, Alan, from this > list, that there is a Robert Schnetz buried in Cave Hill Cemetery, Sep 1895, > without a grave marker and among children. The cemetery no longer has > records going back that far, but they were able to tell me the exact > location of his grave and that Miller & Son Funeral Home, no longer in > existance, handled the preparations. I'm trying to learn if Robert was one > of Elizabeth's children that wasn't alive in 1900. Does anyone know where > might the records of the former funeral home be? or who took over the > business? Would the Kenucky Department of Library and Archives have a death > certificate on him? Thank you for any info or direction anyone can give me. > Gratefully, Loretta Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi list, My gr grandma, Elizabeth Margaret (Heinzelmann) Schnetz, is shown to have given birth to 6 children, and only 4 were living on the 1900 census. She and Karl/Carl/Charles Schnetz married in 1884. I know nothing of her two children that died. I've learned through a kind person, Alan, from this list, that there is a Robert Schnetz buried in Cave Hill Cemetery, Sep 1895, without a grave marker and among children. The cemetery no longer has records going back that far, but they were able to tell me the exact location of his grave and that Miller & Son Funeral Home, no longer in existance, handled the preparations. I'm trying to learn if Robert was one of Elizabeth's children that wasn't alive in 1900. Does anyone know where might the records of the former funeral home be? or who took over the business? Would the Kenucky Department of Library and Archives have a death certificate on him? Thank you for any info or direction anyone can give me. Gratefully, Loretta Lee _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I am trying to locate Mary Elizabeth Brown who married William Waters of Middletown, Jeff. Co KY on 13 Jan 1852 in Jeff. Co. On her marriage record it shows that Dennis Clark was her guardian. Can anyone locate Dennis Brown in the 1850 census? Also there was an Able Brown family of Middletown. Did they have a daughter M. Elizabeth in the 1850 census? Thanks for any help. Barbara

Thank you for the help -- at this point I have what I need. Have a wonderful 4th -- thanks again. Lee