Hey ---- Not sure if any of these sites will give you what you are looking for but they are all of or about Cave Hill Cemetery. I just went to GOOGLE search engine and typed in Cave Hill Cemetery and numerous sites came up. Hope this helps. Nancy in Louisville http://www.louisville.edu/library/ekstrom/govpubs/states/kentucky/kyplaces/louisville/cavehill.html http://www.interment.net/data/us/ky/jefferson/cavehill/ http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/famousSearch.cgi?mode=cemetery&FScemeteryid=73354 Judy Warth wrote: > HI: > Catching up on piled up e mail after being out of town. Is anyone able to > get on the Cave Hill Cemetery address? I tried the addr below which I cut > and pasted from the list but it says it's currently unavaliable. > > (www.cavehillcemetery.com). > > Judy Warth > researcing DOYLE, EVANS, GORMAN, KEAL in Jefferson Co KY > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.alhn.org and http://www.ahgp.org > Go here for additional American History resources. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The Filson Historical Society http://www.filsonhistorical.org/guide9.html has the following which might prove very interesting: Briney, Melville Otter, 1899-1986. Collection, ca. 1890s-1970s. 986PC28. 264 items. Melville Otter Briney was a Louisville author and columnist for the Louisville Times. Her weekly column, "Old Louisville," recounted stories of people, events, and places in Louisville history and often drew upon memories of her childhood on St. James Court. Her husband, Russell Briney, was a reporter for the Courier-Journal. The collection includes photographs of members of the Briney, Otter, and Carter families. Albums of snapshots taken by Mrs. Briney picture her girlhood friends and schoolmates, parties, and vacations from 1912-1916. Identified photographs include Mary Anderson, John Otter Briney, Melville O. Briney, Russell Briney, Mrs. James G. Carter, Melvilla B. Carter Otter, John Delaware Otter, and Alice Hegan Rice. You might also check this http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/KENTUCKY/2001-01/0980780790 -- Someone with a book by Melville O Briney, entitled "Fond Memories" or "Fond Recollections" Good luck Julie When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes

Alan Murray wrote: > Lucy, > > I don't think the book is any longer available. It was published in > 1989. The URL previously given on this list has basically the same > information (without the pictures). > > ~Alan > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 I contacted Hawley-Cook book store today b/c they have a section for out of print books. I inquired about A Place In Time and was told that whenever they get a copy of that they usually sell it for $35.00. :-( Also, my friend Lib, told me she remembers a paperback book put out by the Courier-Journal in the 50's or 60's with great pictures of Louisville. I called the C-J today and was told it was put out in 1955 and other than getting it at the Library I could check the book store. But it was doubtful that they would have it. Janis

Thanks for reading again. Hope I am not to annoying with my continuing newness!! Since my ggrandmother & ggrandfather were divorced sometime between 1915-1920, They both returned as divorced singles to live with their individual families. I am trying to find out what happened to their two sons in the 1920 census. Neither Vincent Arnold or William Arnold are seen in either household. Mae Byerly Arnold returned to 2100 N. Burnett in Louisville. Laurence Paul Arnold returned to his father Alonzo Arnold (Couldn't read the street). I thought since the 1920 census was indexed..I could find them in a relatives home. I have wriiten a letter to St. Josephs Orphanage..looking for info. Could they have been hidden in a household?? They eventually reunited with their mother when she married Edwin Lohr in Kentucky. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Patty ReillyP>S> Vinveny b.1913/William b.1915

This is a general suggestion to everyone who is looking for out of print books -- there is a great website which is actually a co-op of used bookstores. Because there are hundreds and hundreds of stores, they have nearly everything. This is the address: http://www.abebooks.com/ I checked for the Clyde Crews book; they didn't have it, but there are several other books on Catholics in the Louisville diocese. Julie When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes

Lucy, I don't think the book is any longer available. It was published in 1989. The URL previously given on this list has basically the same information (without the pictures). ~Alan

Thanks to Susan Treitz for the reference to: " See Clyde Crews book, An American Holy Land. Fascinating, well written and a good way to find other sources........ It appears to be out-of-print. Anyone have a copy they can lend or sell me? Also, See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdkyre/FurtherReading.htm

HI: Catching up on piled up e mail after being out of town. Is anyone able to get on the Cave Hill Cemetery address? I tried the addr below which I cut and pasted from the list but it says it's currently unavaliable. (www.cavehillcemetery.com). Judy Warth researcing DOYLE, EVANS, GORMAN, KEAL in Jefferson Co KY

Any information on August Winkler born 1875 and other Winklers would be greatly appreciated. seeking August's father and mother but I do not have first names. Maybe census will turn up something. Thanks. Jim King

Jim, Since your August was born in 1875, I checked the 1880 census for Jefferson Co. Could his name have been "Gustav" instead of August? This is what I found: 1880-Census Place: Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky Source: FHL Film 1254422 National Archives Film T9-0422 Page 95B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Gustav WINKLER Self M M W 31 GER Occ: Labourer Fa: GER Mo: GER Bettie WINKLER Wife F M W 31 COR HESSEN Occ: Keeping House Fa: COR HESSEN Mo: COR HESSEN Gustav WINKLER Son M S W 5 KY Fa: GER Mo: COR HESSEN Kate WINKLER Dau F S W 3 KY Fa: GER Mo: COR HESSEN Caroline WINKLER Dau F S W 4M KY Fa: GER Mo: COR HESSEN No August Winkler found in the 1880 census, anywhere in KY. Pat Settle JKing2345@aol.com wrote: Any information on August Winkler born 1875 and other Winklers would be greatly appreciated. seeking August's father and mother but I do not have first names. Maybe census will turn up something. Thanks. Jim King ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes

Dear Listers, Barb T pointed out that the outhouses I mentioned previously in the Highlands of Louisville, may have been for the servants while indoor plumbing was for the families living in the houses. I replied, feeling somewhat like an idiot, I forgot about the servant issue. It was active when I was a kid. The movie, "Driving Miss Daisy" brought back all kinds of memories. Boy, am I glad that nonsense is past most of us! Tom

>From the data on an early Land Grant to James McCorkle from King George III and Bishop William George McCloskey, Bishop of Louisville [ 1823 - 1909 ] it soon became obvious that the history of the early American Church and Louisville is quite rich, complex and of interest both historically and from a Genealogical perspective. [ Previously cited: http://www.bellarmine.edu/content/about/pdf/2001-2002_student_handbook.pdf ] I was surprised to see Baltimore Maryland's influence quite early on, as opposed for example to Virginia, which one would suspect [ As mentioned Virginia claimed more than half the 'World', so to speak, even prior too the Revolution ]. However, originally Louisville was part of the Diocese of Baltimore Maryland and It would appear, for a short time anyway, secondary to Bardstown. See < http://www.bardstowntourism.com/tours/religion.htm > For an interesting foray, tightly related, see also: < http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01367c.htm > Specifically a relationship to Cincinnati ( fairly logical given the River and it's relationship to Regional History ) AND Alsatians ( Also Chicago, naturally enough )

Can you tell me what the URL is? I missedt.. In a message dated 7/14/02 3:55:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lilirish@gtw.net writes: > Subj:[KYJEFFER] Sorry about the wrong URL for obits > Date:7/14/02 3:55:45 PM !!!First Boot!!! > From:<A HREF="mailto:lilirish@gtw.net">lilirish@gtw.net</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com">KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com">KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Thanks, Pat, for clarifying that I had the wrong URL for Louisville, KY > obits. > > I am sorry about the confusion. > > Diane Shaw > St. Louis S.~ "Following the footprints through time" Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide.....I seek!

Many, not all perhaps, but many of those 'little shed's served another purpose. At our home on Bates Court for example, and at two of the Family Homes on Central Park, the 'little shed' had a toilet for the 'Help', if you will. This at about the time when all the homes had little 'doors' for the Ice, and many homes still had 'Carriage Houses' or 'Car Barns' with servants quarters attached or in the 'loft'. Tyler Park stands out, as does Valley Road, too ..... Eric '5th Generation Louisvillian' Postscript: Anyone recall the Bonnycastle Club? [ My Pediatrician, Dr. Peggy Limper had her office nearby so for years I recall the little sign on an otherwise non-descript door ]. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fiske" <evitom@altrionet.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Outhouses and stuff > I seem to recall that the two-story houses where I lived on Bassett Avenue > off Longest in the 1940's, originally had outhouses. The little sheds were > gone, but there were sunken spots and spots of "johnny weed" growing in > appropriate places. I suspect they were built in the 1870-1880 era.

In a message dated 7/16/2002 12:44:07 AM Central America Standard Ti, dpbear@rconnect.com writes: << KYJEFFER-L-request@rootsweb.com >> List Mom for the Grayson Co. KY, Fulkerson, Vertrees, and the Ford List

<< from McDowell Publishing Co. >> 11129 Pleasant Ridge Rd. Utia, Ky 42376 http://www.genealogy-books.com/books/kentucky.html <A HREF="http://www.genealogy-books.com/books/kentucky.html">KENTUCKY GENEALOGY BOOKS</A> List Mom for the Grayson Co. KY, Fulkerson, Vertrees, and the Ford List

Hi Patty, Thanks for writing me back. I'm going to have to find that web site again. Maybe I can track down who actually set it up and ask them about it. I've been concentrating my research on my Dad's side so far, mostly because I found all that work already done on my Mom's (Byarley) side. All my family on my Dad's side (Graeter) was born in KY about 5 generations back and then Germany and I haven't been able to find one marriage in KY, so I'm in the same boat you are there. I'll keep your e-mail address and let you know when I find that site again so you can have a look-see at it. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Theoldbird56@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:49 AM To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Re:Byerly/Arnold Surnames Kathy, Thanks for the response. As far as I can go back as yet, Byerly & Bierly, Bierlay, is what I am finding. Florence Matthews Byerly wife of Charles Byerly, was born in Indiana though. Their 10 children all born in Louisville. Since I haven't found their marriage record in Jefferson County, I am assuming they were married in Indiana. Sincerely, Patty P>S> Something I have learned finding my dads grandfathers roots in Germany back to 1505, is that once they get to America, their names are transcribed by strangers..many end up keeping this newly formed surname. ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Dear Barb and Listers, I am more fortunate than you in some respects. My great-grandparents and grandparents had homes that are still standing in and around the Highlands. I lived in three houses that still stand in that area (Speed, Bonnycastle & Bassett). I was able to visit the off ice at St Brigid church and get some information from one of the priests, too. I seem to recall that the two-story houses where I lived on Bassett Avenue off Longest in the 1940's, originally had outhouses. The little sheds were gone, but there were sunken spots and spots of "johnny weed" growing in appropriate places. I suspect they were built in the 1870-1880 era. Now I live near L. A. One day, about 1970, I flew into Louisville for some long forgotten reason. I went to see my grandparent's home on Brownsboro road near St. Matthews. The current owners had sold the house and it was left open for anyone to wander through the big old place. I had not been in it since 1942. I missed the house by two days. When I got to the site, it was a hole in the ground. I think it is now a gas station. Tom

Could you tell me if the book A PLACE IN TIME is available for sale and if so, where I might be able to purchase it? Thanks Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: <keenebj@juno.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Thanks re: Pond Creek Settlement in SW Jefferson Co.KY > I want to thank everyone who responded to my query. Pat and Alan, > thanks and I did check out A PLACE IN TIME, a wonderful book for anyone > interested in Jefferson Co. neighborhoods. Great photos, including one > of the building that aroused my curiosity. I hope to learn more > eventually. Thanks to Alex for the info about Tioga Falls. > Alex, re: your comment that it is interesting that Pond Settlement was > identifiable as late as the 1860's. At that time, Louisville was not a > very long city, going north to south. I believe it was the 1870's or > early 1880's when > what is now called, Old Louisville, became a suburb of Louisville. > Today, the city is much larger, even before the pending merger of city > and county. I may be wrong here, but I think that in the 1860's, the > city may have ended at Broadway. So 10 or 12 miles southward, where the > Pond Creek area is, was very rural. What is now termed South Louisville, > had a number of small farms even in the 1940's. Some families still had > "Out Houses" and got their water from a spigot out on the side of the > street. There'd be spigots on the road, perhaps one to a block or some > distance apart. The street that I lived on, Euclid, was not paved until > the middle or late 1950's. To keep the dust down, the city would send > trucks to put a layer of hot tar on the street a couple times a year. > Our house did have running water and indoor plumbing, though. I can't > imagine how rural the Pond Settlement area might have been. > > Again, thanks to everyone. > Barb T > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.usgenweb.org > Home of the oldest and largest volunteer not-for-profit genealogy organization on the web. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Can you tell me where to purchase the marriage book you have ? I am interested in any books that might have info on Ky ancesters. Thanks. Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tdeford6@cs.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Marriage Book for 7-1781to 7-1849 > I have the marriage books called Early Jefferson Co. Marriages July 1781- > July 1849 it's from McDowell Publishing Co. and was compiled from the Filson > club. > > << Also, Teddy had a marriage book she used to find the marriage. Maybe > Teddy can post what the book was and how to get access to it. >> > > > List Mom for the Grayson Co. KY, Fulkerson, Vertrees, and the Ford List > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >