This is great. Thanks so much. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrick@migrations.org> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: [KYJEFFER] City of Louisville Wards (not the family name!) > I'll kill two birds with one stone! > "Does anyone know where the 6th Ward was in 1880?" > "Does anyone happen to know what area of town was included in the 3rd Ward > in the 1870 census?" > According to a map dated 1876 (I think), Ward 3 ran from the old bed of > Beargrass Creek to the City limits between Hancock and Shelby. The old bed > of Beargrass Creek may be incorrect, it may have run to the River. The old > bed of Beargrass Creek appears to be a Railroad today. The City limits at > that time were approximately at modern day Camp St., but at that time the > only street past Kentucky St. was a half block of Mechanic St, which may > have become part of St. Catherine (if it exists at all anymore). > Same map, Ward 6 ran from the River to the City Limits between 1st and > 3rd. The city limits in this area would be at an unnamed St. just north of > Ormsby but south of Oak. Mapquest does not show any streets between those > two. It also does not show some diagonal roads which may no longer be > there. 3rd Street is also listed as the "Road to the House of Refuge" past > the city limits. > While I'm at it and have a small bit of free time (get out your maps and > pencils! and a straightedge too, the city limits and Beargrass Creek are > the only non-straight lines in here)... > Ward 1 included everything East of Wenzel (there's a whole lot less > there than you might think). The city limits were... well, in the middle of > nowhere by their standards. It would be about at an intersection of > Caldwell and Swan (which is what Wenzel would be if it didn't get cut off by > a RR track) running diagonally as the bird flies to Cave Hill Cemetery > (which was far smaller then) along E. Breckinridge. The northern part of > the city limits started at the "New channel for Beargrass Creek" running > along the creek until approx Frankfort Ave. then making a SSE turn toward > the backside of Cave Hill Cemetery. Closest thing nowadays to this is I64, > which while not wholly accurate will get the job done for the most part. > Ward 2 was much simpler. It ran from the old bed of Beargrass Creek > between Wenzel and Shelby to the City Limits. The City Limits for Ward 2 > are still a bit muddled. Take the diagonal line from Ward 1 and run it SW > toward the South Fork of Beargrass Creek, follow the creek around back in a > very meandering SSE direction around a few streets that are now part of > Germantown to an imaginary point in the middle of nowhere. Ok, on a modern > map, draw a line from Camp St. and Shelby straight East to the northern most > part of St. Michaels Cem (which while not that big then is inexplicably not > on the map, even though it was in use, there are not even any road leading > to it on this map!). > Ward 3, see above. > Ward 4 is simpler yet, it runs from the River between Shelby and Hancock > to the City Limits which were an imaginary line at approximately modern day > Camp St. > Ward 5, same as Ward 4 between Hancock and 1st. > Ward 6, see above. > Ward 7, runs from the River between 3rd and 5th to the City Limits at an > unnamed street between Oak and Ormsby. > Ward 8 runs from the River between 5th and 7th to the City Limits which > change to an unnamed street between Oak and Dumesnil. > Ward 9 is same as Ward 8, except between 7th and 10th. > Ward 10 is same as Ward 8 except between 10th and 14th. > The northern boundary of Ward 11 runs from the Louisville and Portland > Canal (which separates Louisville from Shippingport Island). The eastern > boundary of Ward 11 is 14th St. The southern boundary is an unnamed street > that runs between Dumesnil and Oak until 15th then becomes an imaginary > lines straight out from there. The western boundary is a pain. Starting > from the south, it runs along a north-south street called Maria, which is > approximately modern 17th St (?) up until Kentucky St, where it turns west > and goes to the "Louisville and Elizabethtown Turnpike" better known today > as Dixie Hwy. After running north again for a short while it turns west > again at Maple St. It goes west until an imaginary line representing 21st > St. and goes straight up 21st (and its imaginary line) until it intersects > the Louisville and Portland RR at Bank St. Then it heads up "11th Cross > St." (This is an old Portland St, that I can not ID because this gets really > convoluted. It may be modern 22nd St between Bank and Northwestern Parkway) > til it intersects "Plank Rd."/"High St." (Northwestern Pkwy). > Ward 12 is... well due to the complicatedness of Ward 11, I'll stick > with "everything west of that" apparently including both Portland and > Shippingport. > During this time period, the numbered streets after 10th or 11th had > other names. 11th was also Poplar, 12th was Missouri, 13th was Thomas St. > AND Columbia St. 14th was St. Louis St. and Boone St. 15th was Clark St and > Cherry St. 16th was Mulberry St. and possibly Elizabeth St. 17th was > Sycamore St. and maybe also Maria St. 18th was De Wolf St. 19th was > Clinton St. 20th was Orleans St. Out past 20th little is recognizable by > todays standards outside of basic outlines of Portland. On the streets that > had 2 non-numbered names, the dividing line between the two appears to have > been Broadway (also known as Prather St.!). > Please somebody who knows better fill in the blanks and make > corrections, and I will put this all on the website as a reference. The > Louisville Encyclopedia may be useful in straightening out any screwups I > may have made. Unfortunately, I don't have it. I wanted that for my > anniversary, I asked for it for my anniversary gift. But instead my wife > "bought me" a Doberman Pinscher. The book requires a whole lot less care, > was FAR FAR cheaper and will last a lot longer (especially since it doesn't > whine!). Grrrr. > If anybody knows how to put several scanned pieces of map into one large > map, please contact me offlist. I asked for somebody to copy and send this > thing to me, which they did, but have not been able to get it online in a > useful format. Graphics are not my friends. > Have fun! > > Patrick > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone know if you can write and request a baptismal record from the archives without knowing which Catholic Church in Louisville? Nancy

If anyone on this list is connected to any of the above surnames in the Louisville area, we are probably related. Please contact me directly to share info. Bill

I'm trying to find out the names of my ggf parents and I have an 1889 certificate of confirmation from the First English Lutheran Church of Louisville. Think it was on Market St. at either Clay or Jackson. His family lived on E. Market at that time. Does anyone know if this church still exists (under another name)? Thanks! Barbara

I'm batting 1.000 tonight for finding stuff I had previously overlooked and missed! Here is a much BETTER map than the one I was using to give the Ward descriptions, dated 1873! There are streets on this 1873 map that weren't on the 1876 (now I wonder?) map I used?!? http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/louisville_appletons_1873.jpg (now how do I get this bear to print?!?) Look for this link shortly on the website... There is also a 1917 map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/louisville_1917.jpg See what a couple of hours off of work can do! BTW: just for kicks, notice in the upper righthand corner next to the new Beargrass Creek channel... "Proposed Bridge to Jeffersonville" That bridge has been proposed for an awful long time... Patrick

I'll kill two birds with one stone! "Does anyone know where the 6th Ward was in 1880?" "Does anyone happen to know what area of town was included in the 3rd Ward in the 1870 census?" According to a map dated 1876 (I think), Ward 3 ran from the old bed of Beargrass Creek to the City limits between Hancock and Shelby. The old bed of Beargrass Creek may be incorrect, it may have run to the River. The old bed of Beargrass Creek appears to be a Railroad today. The City limits at that time were approximately at modern day Camp St., but at that time the only street past Kentucky St. was a half block of Mechanic St, which may have become part of St. Catherine (if it exists at all anymore). Same map, Ward 6 ran from the River to the City Limits between 1st and 3rd. The city limits in this area would be at an unnamed St. just north of Ormsby but south of Oak. Mapquest does not show any streets between those two. It also does not show some diagonal roads which may no longer be there. 3rd Street is also listed as the "Road to the House of Refuge" past the city limits. While I'm at it and have a small bit of free time (get out your maps and pencils! and a straightedge too, the city limits and Beargrass Creek are the only non-straight lines in here)... Ward 1 included everything East of Wenzel (there's a whole lot less there than you might think). The city limits were... well, in the middle of nowhere by their standards. It would be about at an intersection of Caldwell and Swan (which is what Wenzel would be if it didn't get cut off by a RR track) running diagonally as the bird flies to Cave Hill Cemetery (which was far smaller then) along E. Breckinridge. The northern part of the city limits started at the "New channel for Beargrass Creek" running along the creek until approx Frankfort Ave. then making a SSE turn toward the backside of Cave Hill Cemetery. Closest thing nowadays to this is I64, which while not wholly accurate will get the job done for the most part. Ward 2 was much simpler. It ran from the old bed of Beargrass Creek between Wenzel and Shelby to the City Limits. The City Limits for Ward 2 are still a bit muddled. Take the diagonal line from Ward 1 and run it SW toward the South Fork of Beargrass Creek, follow the creek around back in a very meandering SSE direction around a few streets that are now part of Germantown to an imaginary point in the middle of nowhere. Ok, on a modern map, draw a line from Camp St. and Shelby straight East to the northern most part of St. Michaels Cem (which while not that big then is inexplicably not on the map, even though it was in use, there are not even any road leading to it on this map!). Ward 3, see above. Ward 4 is simpler yet, it runs from the River between Shelby and Hancock to the City Limits which were an imaginary line at approximately modern day Camp St. Ward 5, same as Ward 4 between Hancock and 1st. Ward 6, see above. Ward 7, runs from the River between 3rd and 5th to the City Limits at an unnamed street between Oak and Ormsby. Ward 8 runs from the River between 5th and 7th to the City Limits which change to an unnamed street between Oak and Dumesnil. Ward 9 is same as Ward 8, except between 7th and 10th. Ward 10 is same as Ward 8 except between 10th and 14th. The northern boundary of Ward 11 runs from the Louisville and Portland Canal (which separates Louisville from Shippingport Island). The eastern boundary of Ward 11 is 14th St. The southern boundary is an unnamed street that runs between Dumesnil and Oak until 15th then becomes an imaginary lines straight out from there. The western boundary is a pain. Starting from the south, it runs along a north-south street called Maria, which is approximately modern 17th St (?) up until Kentucky St, where it turns west and goes to the "Louisville and Elizabethtown Turnpike" better known today as Dixie Hwy. After running north again for a short while it turns west again at Maple St. It goes west until an imaginary line representing 21st St. and goes straight up 21st (and its imaginary line) until it intersects the Louisville and Portland RR at Bank St. Then it heads up "11th Cross St." (This is an old Portland St, that I can not ID because this gets really convoluted. It may be modern 22nd St between Bank and Northwestern Parkway) til it intersects "Plank Rd."/"High St." (Northwestern Pkwy). Ward 12 is... well due to the complicatedness of Ward 11, I'll stick with "everything west of that" apparently including both Portland and Shippingport. During this time period, the numbered streets after 10th or 11th had other names. 11th was also Poplar, 12th was Missouri, 13th was Thomas St. AND Columbia St. 14th was St. Louis St. and Boone St. 15th was Clark St and Cherry St. 16th was Mulberry St. and possibly Elizabeth St. 17th was Sycamore St. and maybe also Maria St. 18th was De Wolf St. 19th was Clinton St. 20th was Orleans St. Out past 20th little is recognizable by todays standards outside of basic outlines of Portland. On the streets that had 2 non-numbered names, the dividing line between the two appears to have been Broadway (also known as Prather St.!). Please somebody who knows better fill in the blanks and make corrections, and I will put this all on the website as a reference. The Louisville Encyclopedia may be useful in straightening out any screwups I may have made. Unfortunately, I don't have it. I wanted that for my anniversary, I asked for it for my anniversary gift. But instead my wife "bought me" a Doberman Pinscher. The book requires a whole lot less care, was FAR FAR cheaper and will last a lot longer (especially since it doesn't whine!). Grrrr. If anybody knows how to put several scanned pieces of map into one large map, please contact me offlist. I asked for somebody to copy and send this thing to me, which they did, but have not been able to get it online in a useful format. Graphics are not my friends. Have fun! Patrick

I'm not only out of breath from reading that, my head is spinning! I have saved that in my reference folder. Thank you Pat! Debbie

WOW!!! How in the world did you stumble on to that one Patrick??? I've already sent an email off to make an inquiry about parish histories. Of course, it includes St. Boniface. Thanks bunches for the find! Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrick@migrations.org> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Catholic Records > Found this link looking for something else. Check out some of the > records of the Archdiocese of Louisville which have found their way to Notre > Dame! > http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/CDBL.HTM > > Patrick > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, ALHN and AHGP which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Found this link looking for something else. Check out some of the records of the Archdiocese of Louisville which have found their way to Notre Dame! http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/CDBL.HTM Patrick

Dear Patrick, Another winner! I see that in 1917 my street, Bassett Ave, wasn't named. Ransdale Ave. was known as Slaughters Ave. I lived there around 1943-1954. Thanks for sharing your discovery. I was relying on an abbreviated map I got from a car rental agency at the airport in Louisville. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrick@migrations.org> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Yet another one... > I'm batting 1.000 tonight for finding stuff I had previously overlooked > and missed! Here is a much BETTER map than the one I was using to give the > Ward descriptions, dated 1873! There are streets on this 1873 map that > weren't on the 1876 (now I wonder?) map I used?!? > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/louisville_appletons_1873.jpg > (now how do I get this bear to print?!?) Look for this link shortly on the > website... There is also a 1917 map > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/louisville_1917.jpg > See what a couple of hours off of work can do! > BTW: just for kicks, notice in the upper righthand corner next to the > new Beargrass Creek channel... "Proposed Bridge to Jeffersonville" That > bridge has been proposed for an awful long time... > > Patrick > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.usgenweb.org > Home of the oldest and largest volunteer not-for-profit genealogy organization on the web. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Patrick, Thank you for the extensive details on wards of Louisville. I will file the information away with my Louisville facts. I spent my first 27 years in Louisville, on the east side of town, and never knew this information. Now that I am a few miles away in southern California, I find I don't have access to it. It seems that ward 6 is a good place for a steamboat pilot to live in 1880. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrick@migrations.org> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] City of Louisville Wards (not the family name!) > I'll kill two birds with one stone! > "Does anyone know where the 6th Ward was in 1880?" > "Does anyone happen to know what area of town was included in the 3rd Ward > in the 1870 census?" > According to a map dated 1876 (I think), Ward 3 ran from the old bed of > Beargrass Creek to the City limits between Hancock and Shelby. The old bed > of Beargrass Creek may be incorrect, it may have run to the River. The old > bed of Beargrass Creek appears to be a Railroad today. The City limits at > that time were approximately at modern day Camp St., but at that time the > only street past Kentucky St. was a half block of Mechanic St, which may > have become part of St. Catherine (if it exists at all anymore). > Same map, Ward 6 ran from the River to the City Limits between 1st and > 3rd. The city limits in this area would be at an unnamed St. just north of > Ormsby but south of Oak. Mapquest does not show any streets between those > two. It also does not show some diagonal roads which may no longer be > there. 3rd Street is also listed as the "Road to the House of Refuge" past > the city limits. > While I'm at it and have a small bit of free time (get out your maps and > pencils! and a straightedge too, the city limits and Beargrass Creek are > the only non-straight lines in here)... > Ward 1 included everything East of Wenzel (there's a whole lot less > there than you might think). The city limits were... well, in the middle of > nowhere by their standards. It would be about at an intersection of > Caldwell and Swan (which is what Wenzel would be if it didn't get cut off by > a RR track) running diagonally as the bird flies to Cave Hill Cemetery > (which was far smaller then) along E. Breckinridge. The northern part of > the city limits started at the "New channel for Beargrass Creek" running > along the creek until approx Frankfort Ave. then making a SSE turn toward > the backside of Cave Hill Cemetery. Closest thing nowadays to this is I64, > which while not wholly accurate will get the job done for the most part. > Ward 2 was much simpler. It ran from the old bed of Beargrass Creek > between Wenzel and Shelby to the City Limits. The City Limits for Ward 2 > are still a bit muddled. Take the diagonal line from Ward 1 and run it SW > toward the South Fork of Beargrass Creek, follow the creek around back in a > very meandering SSE direction around a few streets that are now part of > Germantown to an imaginary point in the middle of nowhere. Ok, on a modern > map, draw a line from Camp St. and Shelby straight East to the northern most > part of St. Michaels Cem (which while not that big then is inexplicably not > on the map, even though it was in use, there are not even any road leading > to it on this map!). > Ward 3, see above. > Ward 4 is simpler yet, it runs from the River between Shelby and Hancock > to the City Limits which were an imaginary line at approximately modern day > Camp St. > Ward 5, same as Ward 4 between Hancock and 1st. > Ward 6, see above. > Ward 7, runs from the River between 3rd and 5th to the City Limits at an > unnamed street between Oak and Ormsby. > Ward 8 runs from the River between 5th and 7th to the City Limits which > change to an unnamed street between Oak and Dumesnil. > Ward 9 is same as Ward 8, except between 7th and 10th. > Ward 10 is same as Ward 8 except between 10th and 14th. > The northern boundary of Ward 11 runs from the Louisville and Portland > Canal (which separates Louisville from Shippingport Island). The eastern > boundary of Ward 11 is 14th St. The southern boundary is an unnamed street > that runs between Dumesnil and Oak until 15th then becomes an imaginary > lines straight out from there. The western boundary is a pain. Starting > from the south, it runs along a north-south street called Maria, which is > approximately modern 17th St (?) up until Kentucky St, where it turns west > and goes to the "Louisville and Elizabethtown Turnpike" better known today > as Dixie Hwy. After running north again for a short while it turns west > again at Maple St. It goes west until an imaginary line representing 21st > St. and goes straight up 21st (and its imaginary line) until it intersects > the Louisville and Portland RR at Bank St. Then it heads up "11th Cross > St." (This is an old Portland St, that I can not ID because this gets really > convoluted. It may be modern 22nd St between Bank and Northwestern Parkway) > til it intersects "Plank Rd."/"High St." (Northwestern Pkwy). > Ward 12 is... well due to the complicatedness of Ward 11, I'll stick > with "everything west of that" apparently including both Portland and > Shippingport. > During this time period, the numbered streets after 10th or 11th had > other names. 11th was also Poplar, 12th was Missouri, 13th was Thomas St. > AND Columbia St. 14th was St. Louis St. and Boone St. 15th was Clark St and > Cherry St. 16th was Mulberry St. and possibly Elizabeth St. 17th was > Sycamore St. and maybe also Maria St. 18th was De Wolf St. 19th was > Clinton St. 20th was Orleans St. Out past 20th little is recognizable by > todays standards outside of basic outlines of Portland. On the streets that > had 2 non-numbered names, the dividing line between the two appears to have > been Broadway (also known as Prather St.!). > Please somebody who knows better fill in the blanks and make > corrections, and I will put this all on the website as a reference. The > Louisville Encyclopedia may be useful in straightening out any screwups I > may have made. Unfortunately, I don't have it. I wanted that for my > anniversary, I asked for it for my anniversary gift. But instead my wife > "bought me" a Doberman Pinscher. The book requires a whole lot less care, > was FAR FAR cheaper and will last a lot longer (especially since it doesn't > whine!). Grrrr. > If anybody knows how to put several scanned pieces of map into one large > map, please contact me offlist. I asked for somebody to copy and send this > thing to me, which they did, but have not been able to get it online in a > useful format. Graphics are not my friends. > Have fun! > > Patrick > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genelaogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone happen to know what area of town was included in the 3rd Ward in the 1870 census? Thanks! Debbie

Dear Listers, Thanks for all the help on finding Charles Fisk in the 6th Ward. He was really a Fiske as I am, but what the heck, he lost a syllable. Maybe couldn't afford the entire name. Now I wonder if anyone knows where the 6th Ward was in the 1880's? Tom the bewildered

Dear Listers, I found my ggf, Charles Fiske. He was recorded as Fisk. Also, he was in Louisville in the 6th Ward in 1880. Does anyone know where the 6th Ward was in 1880? Tom the bewildered

Deb, The 1910 info on Alonzo Arnold was from Ancestry.com. It has enumeration district # 0219. Visit 0218. County Jeffeson.Louisville. Thanks Patty

I have been reading excellent info on this site for a long time, but I am about to display my complete ignorance is asking the following question, but I have always said the only dumb question I know of is the one not asked. I have free access to all census info on line from my local public library, The information is Ancestry.com--I have used the census index provided but there have been quewstions asked and answers given about index(s) that I don't know about. Please enlighten me if there is any way looking for people thru the census other than searching the images, page by page which is anso time consuming. Thanks Joe in Florida

I have been reading excellent info on this site for a long time, but I am about to display my complete ignorance is asking the following question, but I have always said the only dumb question I know of is the one not asked. I have free access to all census info on line from my local public library, The information is Ancestry.com--I have used the census index provided but there have been quewstions asked and answers given about index(s) that I don't know about. Please enlighten me if there is any way looking for people thru the census other than searching the images, page by page which is anso time consuming. Thanks Joe in Florida

I have been reading excellent info on this site for a long time, but I am about to display my complete ignorance is asking the following question, but I have always said the only dumb question I know of is the one not asked. I have free access to all census info on line from my local public library, The information is Ancestry.com--I have used the census index provided but there have been quewstions asked and answers given about index(s) that I don't know about. Please enlighten me if there is any way looking for people thru the census other than searching the images, page by page which is anso time consuming. Thanks Joe in Florida

Patty, I've checked the 1900 US index thinking he may of moved, I went through 17 Alonzo Arnold's, none of them your guy. I can't locate ANY of the ones you have listed on the 1880?????? Tell me what ward they were in in 1910....this "may" help, but no guarantee's.... Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Theoldbird56@aol.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] 1900 Jefferson County Look-Up > Thanks Deb for the reply. > In 1870 his mother was head of household Margaret/Mag/ ARNOLD. > In 1880 his brother Thomas ARNOLD was head of household. > In 1880 they were living in Johnstown/Jefferson County. Alonzo was then 23 > years. I believe he got married shortly after that to Margaret Chambers. > I hope that helps. > Sincerely > Patty Reilly > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Deb for the reply. In 1870 his mother was head of household Margaret/Mag/ ARNOLD. In 1880 his brother Thomas ARNOLD was head of household. In 1880 they were living in Johnstown/Jefferson County. Alonzo was then 23 years. I believe he got married shortly after that to Margaret Chambers. I hope that helps. Sincerely Patty Reilly