I also remember that store in the 1930s, we used to simply call it Bestens. There was another store not in the Louisville book, The John C. Lewis Co.; it was a very nice ladies apparel store I believe on corner of 4th & Liberty Streets. It went out of business in the early 1930s during the depression. >BESTEN and LANGAN in downtown Louisville. < That would have been in the 1940's. Elisabeth W. Salyer elws@mounet.com

thanx... it's a storage problem. -----Original Message----- From: Earthwks2@aol.com [mailto:Earthwks2@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:40 PM To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Beasly and Langan How about e-mailing the Filson Club in Louisville? They would have a file on the merchants in the area. I looked at "The Encyclopedia of Louisville" under the names and also Department Stores, and the closest I could come was Bacon's which was founded in 1845 at Fourth and Market Sts. and stayed downtown until 1998. Barbara ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genealogy project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for information on how to submit. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Mary Fran, While I can't answer most of the questions you posed on 3 August, I believe I can help you with a few of them. If JB was in the city of Louisville in 1840 for the Census (as opposed to being out in the country), he probably will be listed in the City Directories. The first CD for Louisville came out in 1832 and then every few years thereafter. It could help narrow down when he came to town - and the tax lists could help even more if he owned land. I did find a few of the family in the Louisville Mortuary Books: Vol. 3 page 20 RICHEY, C.N. male/white/married age 29 yrs cause: delirium tremens duration: 3 days Dr. Koehler attending born "city" residence: 75 W. Jefferson dod 21 May 1869 buried 22 May 1869 Catholic Cemetery Vol. 5 page 133 RICHY, John male/colored/married age 48 yrs cause: valv. disease of heart Dr. E S Ness attending born n/g residence "City Hospital" dod 1 Jun 1881 buried 2 June 1881 7th St. Cemetery Vol. 5 page 370 RICHIE, Pearl female/white/single age 14 mos cause: pneumonia dod 23 Dec 1883 res: 8th Ward, 1917 7th bur 25 Dec 1883 Western Cemetery Additional Richy/Richey/Richie in the index: RICHEY Kate vol 7 p 170 Wm. 7/70 Chas 2/70 infant 5/171 Thos 8/80 John B. 9/242 RICHIE infant 1/40 A. 4/237 Susan 4/20 child of J. 8/10 John 9/177 Chas W. 11/294 RICH Gertrude 8/78 I haven't had a chance to actually look at John B. Richey vol 9; John Richie Vol 9 and Chas W. Richie Vol 11 yet, but I will be doing so next week when the Family History Center is open again. If any of the rest of these folks look promising, let me know and I'll check them out too. I also have the Marriage Registers for Jefferson County on microfilm available, and if you have marriages you'd like me to check, let me know. For those, I need fairly good date estimates, as there are 18 rolls of microfilm to check (by date of course!), as opposed to a "mere" 9 rolls for the mortuary books. So, here's some preliminary information, and I'll be back with the second installment soon. Cheers! Mary Fran Felts-Nordstrom wrote: > This message is for Lorraine or anyone else who may have information. > > J B Richy/Riche (b. abt 1797 in France, d. abt 1875 in Louisville) - name was probably > John Baptist Richy. Who were his parents and when did he come to Louisville? > > He is definately in the 1850 census and probably the 1840 census. 1840 census list > August Riche age 20-29 with a female in the household 20-29; John B Richey age 40-49 > with a male age 0-4, a female age 0-4 and a female age 20-29; and John Richie age 40-49 > with a male age 5-9, a female age 5-9, a female age 15-19 and a female age 40-49. The > John B Richey family fits the family of my JB Richy fairly well. > > In the 1820 census there is a Mary Riche with two males in the household one 16-18 > (possibly August) and one 19-25 (possibly JB). > > J B Richy married Pauline Labro (b. abt 1810 in France, d. unknown) about 1835. They > had three or four children > LOUISA RICHY (b. 1836, m. LOUIS MICHOL). > CHARLES NICHOLAS RICHY (b. 1840, d. 1869). He married ODILE > AMEDEE AUGUSTA RICHY (b. 21 Jan 1846, d. 15 Dec 1912) > possibly SIDONIA RICHY (b. 1844) as passenger list show a Sidonia Richy traveling > with Pauline and Louisa on a trip back to France in 1851. However, she does not appear > on the 1850 Census. > > Death or marriage information on any of these individual would be most appreciated as > would more complete birth information on the children. > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi LOUBOY Bill! I just so happens that I've got all 18 rolls of the microfilmed Jefferson Co. Marriage Records on loan at my local friendly Family History Center, and I found that in fact, your g-grands were hitched as indicated: Vol. 5, page 100 Herbst, Adam to Schroerder, Mary Eve married 14 Oct 1851 by Otto Lair [may be "Sair"] "she the widow of James as proved by Andrew Nichlas" license procured 1 Oct 1851 Her name was spelled as above, which might clarify things. That doesn't necessarily help prying the records out of the Church, but at least you do have the date right. If this was my problem, I think I'd check out the Louisville City Directory for 1851 (or the closest date available) to see where they lived and which Catholic Church was closest to them (and also double-check to make sure that Lair/Sair wasn't the Presbyterian minister or something!) If you're sure they were Catholic, you could consider checking to see if the Archdiocese of Louisville has any archives or if any of St. Boniface's records have been microfilmed. (My Louisville lot were all Methodists & Baptists, so I can't be of more specific help to you on this.) Anyhow, good luck and happy hunting, Cheers! LOUBOY22@aol.com wrote: > <PRE>The records at the County Archives say that my great grandparents, Adam > Herbst and Mary Eve Nicholas Schneider, were married Oct. 14, 1851 at St. > Boniface Catholic Church. So, I wrote a letter to St. Boniface and enclosed a > check to cover their expenses in locating their marriage certificate and some > info on their children. The Church wrote back and said they had no info on > any members of the Adam Herbst family. Does anyone have the 1851 Jefferson > County marriage records and would they check to see if I made a mistake on > the date or church or both? Any help appreciated. Bill Brinly > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.usgenweb.org > Home of the oldest and largest volunteer not-for-profit genealogy organization on the web. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I'm almost positive I remember a store named BESTEN and LANGAN in downtown Louisville. That would have been in the 1940's. Bill (born in '36) Horine

Thanks! That makes sense. At least I know that Grandpa's memory might have been half right:) Pat in Ohio

The 1890 Louisville Directory lists Winn & Langan, merchant tailors, proprietors Martin J. Winn and Edward J. Langan, 223 Fourth St. Perhaps Besley bought out Winn. It must have been a good sized department store for the time: R. M. Beadles Winn & Langan trav agent b Alexander's Hotel KY Frank J. Emge Winn & Langan cutter New Albany KY Edward J. Langan Winn & Langan 1308 W. Jefferson KY Joseph Sachs Winn & Langan bushelman 728 E. Gray KY Patrick Shea Winn & Langan cutter 1328 W. Chestnut KY William Walker Winn & Langan porter b 635 Center KY Thomas J. Waters Winn & Langan ??rimmer 345 19th KY Martin J. Winn Winn & Langan 617 2d KY Martin J. Winn; Edward J. Langan Winn & Langan merchant tailors 223 4th KY

HI Barbara - According to my Grandfather's memoirs, the year was 1893, and here is a quote "Mrs. Fowler said to Beachie, here is $400.00, you and Robert go to Louisville and go to Besley and Langan? and get your wedding clothes. So one morning we took the morning train and went to the city and put up at the Louisville Hotel at Fourth and Main Streets." It just always sounded to me like a Department Store, or maybe a specialty shop. How about the Louisville Hotel? Was there one at Fourth and Main? I really appreciate your efforts!!!! Thanks! Pat in Ohio

In a message dated 9/6/02 12:01:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KYJEFFER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > From: Sweemarie@aol.com [mailto:Sweemarie@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:14 PM > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYJEFFER] 1859 Louisville Kentucky City Directory > > > > I have the 1859 city directory for Louisville, Kentucky. Willing to do > look-ups if any need for this year. > 1.Put the persons name > 2. If business, put what type of business Peggy (Evans) Wilson, Researching Surnames: AR/MO/IL - Basinger/Baysinger/Bennett/Liles-Lyles/ Harrell-Herrell/Mizell/Sanders/Wilson NC/IN - Arrowood/Barrett/Burns/Butner/Cox/Helton Hensley/Johnson/Melton/Mullins/O'Neal/Sweany OH>IN - Downey/Hellyer/Jordan-Jordon/Straub/Tracy OH/PA - Evans/Fox/Hunt/Moore/Pfleegor-Pflieger-Pfluegar

In a message dated 9/6/02 12:01:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KYJEFFER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Sweemarie@aol.com > From: Sweemarie@aol.com [mailto:Sweemarie@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:14 PM > To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYJEFFER] 1859 Louisville Kentucky City Directory > > > > I have the 1859 city directory for Louisville, Kentucky. Willing to do > look-ups if any need for this year. > 1.Put the persons name > 2. If business, put what type of business STRAUB, BrickLaying............please,thanks! Peggy (Evans) Wilson, Researching Surnames: OH>IN - Downey/Hellyer/Jordan-Jordon/Straub/Tracy OH/PA - Evans/Fox/Hunt/Moore/Pfleegor-Pflieger-Pfluegar

thanks julie!!!!!

Hello Listers, I am wondering if there is an index to Ky. deaths, not just Jefferson. I am looking for Alonzo Arnold. I don't have a date of death. The last time I have him is in the 1920 census. Jefferson/Louisville. I haven't found him in 1930 yet. He was born abt. 1856. I sent for his birth record from Ky. Geneological Society. No record in Jefferson County. I thought maybe a death record would help locate his birth record. Sincerely, Patty

If anyone knows the enumeration districts for the following addresses in Jefferson County, I would appreciate any help. 1764 Bolling Ave. City of Louisville 2100 N. Burnett Avenue. City of Louisville Thanks so much. Sincerely, Patty

http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census/ Here's the website to help locate 1930 E.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Theoldbird56@aol.com> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] Ky 1930 Census > If anyone knows the enumeration districts for the following addresses in > Jefferson County, I would appreciate any help. > 1764 Bolling Ave. City of Louisville > > 2100 N. Burnett Avenue. City of Louisville > > Thanks so much. > Sincerely, > Patty > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > http://www.usgenweb.org > Home of the oldest and largest volunteer not-for-profit genealogy organization on the web. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

As luck usually has it, as soon as I sent out the original request, I came upon more information. Still looking to find an Obit for : Andrew FLUHR b. November 30, 1864 in Harrison County, IN d. March 16, 1907 in Kosmosdale, Jefferson County, Kentucky ~Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bryan" <bryans@jobe.net> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [KYJEFFER] 1907 Obit or death index > Any ideas where I can find a 1907 Obit or death index? > I dont have a month, day or local..or cemetery.(smile) Im looking for a Andrew FLUHR b. 1864 d. 1907 in Kentucky. At the time of his death he and his family (Clara-wife, John, Andrew, George, Albert, Pete- sons and Ivy, dau) lived at 70 Valley Road(Ave) in Louisville. Andrew was hit and killed by a train. Any advice appreciated. Im new to researching in KY. > > ~Susan > Ft Leonard Wood, Missouri > > KY - TN - IN : Fluhr, Sanders, Cottle, Keen, Morris > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, ALHN and AHGP which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Here's the Kentucky Death Index address (1911-2000) http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi Free too. Julie --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

Thank you everyone for the lesson on "townships" , the description of the neighborhood and the link for finding EDs in the 1930 census in KY! ~Susan Ft LWood, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <patrick@migrations.org> To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] 70 Valley Road, 1930 Census > Sorry, don't know that can help much with this ... Kentucky doesn't have > townships. The Northwest Territory was the first area of the US to be > divided into townships in 1787, Kentucky counties had already began to be > formed before this (1780) and were never adapted to that system. Which > basically means that while you can find a nice square county with easy to > find 1/2' and 1/4's of townships and ranges in Indiana, if you cross the > river, you must depend on somebody's judgement and description of where a > tree (which obviously no longer exists) was located next to a creek that had > been renamed 3 times. Enough of my township rant... > I did a Mapquest search for this address and came up with a location > that I most certainly did not expect (I expected Valley Station). Valley > Rd. runs off of Barret Ave. in a nearly diagonal Southeastern route toward > Eastern Parkway. It's right in the middle of the polygon formed by Calvary, > St. Michael's and St. Louis Cemeteries (Louisville Cemetery is nearby also). > In earlier years this would likely have been in Ward 1 of the City. By > 1930, I don't know, but would still guess Ward 1. > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Bryan" <bryans@jobe.net> > To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:24 AM > Subject: [KYJEFFER] 70 Valley Road, 1930 Census > > > > Can someone tell me where I could find the 1920 address of 70 Valley Road > (in the township of Valley) in the 1930 Census??? What District? > > > > ~Susan > > Losing my census > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Submit your information to the Jefferson Co., KY History and Genealogy > project. See http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html for > information on how to submit. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of USGenWeb, AHGP and ALHN which are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at http://home.ix.netcom.com/~gsdownr/usgw/jefferson1.html. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Any ideas where I can find a 1907 Obit or death index? I dont have a month, day or local..or cemetery.(smile) Im looking for a Andrew FLUHR b. 1864 d. 1907 in Kentucky. At the time of his death he and his family (Clara-wife, John, Andrew, George, Albert, Pete- sons and Ivy, dau) lived at 70 Valley Road(Ave) in Louisville. Andrew was hit and killed by a train. Any advice appreciated. Im new to researching in KY. ~Susan Ft Leonard Wood, Missouri KY - TN - IN : Fluhr, Sanders, Cottle, Keen, Morris

The reason why the Northwest Territories has the township system of descriptions is because of the problems with legal title from KY military warrants. It was a nightmare. Kentucky uses the same metes and bounds system that Virginia uses because they were part of Virginia at the time the land was originally surveyed. The practice referring to things that are no longer there seems to come quite naturally to Kentuckians. One of the first things that newcomers to the east end of Louisville learn is the location of "where the old Sears used to be" on Shelbyville Road. The Sears hasn't been there for 20 years, but the building is an important navigational landmark for area residents.

Valley Road that is off of Barret has gorgeous old houses that would have been there in the 1930's, and the addresses are small numbers. My daughter went to a swim party over that way a few weeks ago. It is off Eastern Parkway near Tyler Park.