1880 census J.W. Shrader wife: Allie Shrader, Lewis Shrader, William Shrader 1900 census: Allie Meddis (2nd husband) Lewis, Lettie & William living together (Henry Co) 1910 census: Will Shrader & Allie (mother) Henry Co. 1910 census: Letitia Shrader living with her father James W. McDonald and her children 1920 census: William Shrader, wife, children and mother Allie. Henry Co Cemetery and found the following: Lewis J. Shrader 1872-1908 William Shrader 1878-1968 Allid Shrader (buried with first husbands name) 1850-1926 J.W. Shrader Dec 1849 March 1887 John N Martin Sept 1808 Dec 11, 1887 S.P. Martin June 1840 April 8, 1881 Thanks! Debbie

I have a copy of an old family photograph that I'm trying to identify. I believe it is my GGrandfather and GGrandmother's wedding photo. If so, it would be from the 1890's. At the bottom is the photographer's Identification: J.M. Gregory, 810 Market Street. Anyone have a list of Louisville businesses that can place it in a particular decade? Thanks Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

My Irish family from Louisville didn't leave any names of places behind but the word, Ireland. no one left alive to ask questions and I now feel that I will never know anymore about them, then what I have found in the census and on their death certificates, of the few I have. Irish from Louisville, Clancy, Murphy, Griffin, Cain,Waters, Langdon & Langan, Herity(can anyone help me with the correct spelling of this name?} Ogier, Bindner?, Thanks Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm in the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line would be helpful! Thanks, Debbie Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER

Reading about others who are researching Irish ancestors in Louisville, I was motivated to say that my almost ten years of research has been productive because of the help I got from this list! Deb on this list found my gggrandparents' marriage record. That led to me writing to the church and getting an actual photocopy of it. I treasure that! Ken on this list went out to St. Louis cemetery and took a photo of the Keagan stone for me. Another treasure. Alison of this list found records for me and is still helping me! Barb T answered countless questions and looked up lots of info for me. Sue of this list looked up Heeney records at the library for me. It turned out that she had relatives in St. Louis, where I live, and I was able to help her in return! John of this list filled me in on his research of the Keagan family. There are many others on this list who answered my questions and pointed me in the right direction and continue to do so. I am on about six Rootsweb lists, now and I co-admin two lists. I have made four web pages for people who are studying St. Louis, MO genealogy - especially the Irish. When I first started my genealogy it was here on the Louisville list. The generosity of the people on the list really inspired me to want to give back and now I am doing research for people in Ireland who want to know about their Irish ancestors in St. Louis. I don't think that the Irish have any special gift that any other immigrant group didn't have. Every cultural group paid a price for admission to the freedom we have. If there is anything that reminds me of how they all survived, it is the generosity of strangers. I like that we all still help each other and ask nothing in return. The spirit of free genealogical help is alive and well on this list. Maybe that is why those rellies of mine who lived in and were born in Louisville seem to make a point of claiming Louisville in what little there are of records of their lives - maybe they knew that generosity in their own lives. I started my genealogical research where the Heeneys and the Keagans started their lives in America - in Louisville. It was a nice place for me to begin. I think it was a nice place for them to begin too. Many thanks to all who have helped me over these almost ten years! Happy St. Pat's Day! Diane Shaw St. Louis, MO

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Dear Kenny, If our families aren't related, they should be. There sure are a lot of similarities. From the Fredrick/Frederick thing to Portland St & even Jeffersonville, Indiana. My grandmother, Georgia Armstrong, married my grandfather, John Frederick, there. I've always wondered why they went across the river to get married. I'm thinking the lack of a waiting period is the most likely reason now. My grandmother had already broken their engagement twice before & my grandfather probably didn't want to take the chance of her backing out again! :) Did I ever get back with you about your photo? I've been so busy with both my jobs since last summer, I haven't had time for anything. I sent your picture to my aunt, the last of my Frederick family. She thought they looked kind of familiar, as though they could be related, but she didn't recognize any of them. Do you know if any place in Louisville, like the library or Archives, would have old photos of the area? Here in podunk Grand Rapids, the library has a collection of old real estate and tax photos that were donated. It would be so nice if Louisville had something like that. Thank you for the information about the houses. I appreciate your taking the time to check it out. Hope you have fun going through the old neighborhood. Roxanne

Pam, What year did you go to Manuel? I was in the Class of 1965. Back then they had "Red & White Day" before we played Male on Thanksgiving Day, but that whole week was a long celebration. Also, I was born in St. Joseph and so was my youngest. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Rag Hill In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:21:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was raised in Louisville around Atwood, Wainwright, Lilly, Bradley & Eastern Parkway. The easiest landmark which is not there anymore was St. Joseph Infirmary. This neighborhood was also known as "RAG HILL" because so many of its residents were extremely poor. Also around this area was Swiss Park, where I looked to go as a kid. Even though I have moved to another place, I still drive around the old neighborhood just to bring back memories. Wow, just reading this brought back memories. My youngest daughter was born at St. Joseph's infirmary. I went to Manual with kids who lived on the streets you mentioned. I lived closer to Manual so they tore down my old neighborhood during Urban Renewal progress to make UL more parking spaces. Can you imagine tearing down those old beautiful homes in those tree lined courts to make parking spaces? Pam

THANK YOU Pat! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > My Irish relatives were not Catholic...One of the families from the Williams > side who came to Louisville was the Anderson family. Have you checked the > records for the County on the internet? Stay away from paying sites, unless > you have Ancestry.com already. There are a number of websites for different > areas of Ireland. It may take a while, but find the Parish your family was > in. Sometimes the Parishes crossed civil lines...Some of Armagh goes into > Antrim, etc. I found the Protestant records for Tyholland/Tyhallan which > were quite old on the internet years ago. Think of all the combinations you > can to do searches...Look for photos and it may lead you to a clue, look for > churches and it may give you cemeteries. > > These are from a search for Park but there is enough general information > that you can get for free on this that you shouldn't have to hire someone. > > http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/archives.htm > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/intro.asp > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/intro.asp > > http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/heritagecenters.htm > > http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/visitireland.htm > > http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/ > > > > I have another link somewhere in my information that covers a great many > counties in Ireland. Remember, too, that your family may have originally > been Scotch, English or Welsh. Also check all the Irish Message Boards and > Mailing Lists. Pat Morano > > Check: > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rita Mackin Fox" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:58 PM > Subject: RE: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > > > > I, too, have Irish ancestors. Most of mine settled in > > Marion-Nelson-Washington counties, but several migrated on to Louisville, > > particularly MACKIN and JOYCE families. > > > > The Mackins attended St. Cecilia's (Mackin Gym was named for Fr. William > > P. > > Mackin, b. in Ireland late 1840s, president of St. Joseph's College for > > four > > years; died while pastor of St. Cecilia's in 1893). He was the youngest > > brother of my 2nd great-grandfather, Michael C. Mackin. > > > > And the Joyces attended St. Louis Bertrand. My third-great-grandmother, > > Bridget Costello Mackin, went to live with her daughter, Adelia Mackin > > Joyce, in her later years and also went there. > > > > My Mackins hailed from the vicinity of Kilmaine, in the southern part of > > Co. > > Mayo. Thomas Joyce, who married Adelia, may have been from Mayo or Co. > > Galway. Bridget Costello Mackin was from the area of Tuam, eastern Co. > > Galway. Tuam and Kilmaine are only about 20 miles apart. > > > > I encourage you to look at the Irish Catholic publications of the time in > > Louisville. (I forget the newspaper's name, but the microfilm is at the > > Louisville Free Public Library at 4th and York in the Kentucky Room.) I > > found out the locations of my Mackin-Costello roots in an 1890 obituary > > that > > was published for Bridget. Her son, Fr. Mackin, was a Louisville pastor at > > that time, which is probably why she had such a detailed obituary. (I'm > > guessing he wrote it for her.) > > > > I recently invested $100 in a records search in the Heritage Center in > > South > > Co. Mayo, but didn't get much info, even knowing the town the Mackins came > > from. Most is speculation because there just weren't any church or civil > > records from before 1851 or so and mine seemed to have migrated about > > 1850. > > Still, they tried their best and guessed at where the Mackins might have > > lived based on new Mackins coming on the voter and property-owner rolls > > about the time mine left. (To vote, people had to own at least 10 acres of > > land, I think they said. Until my relatives left, they suppose these other > > men did not have enough property to meet that minimum.) > > > > I'm going to visit the area (and Ireland) for the first time this year, > > which is very exciting. Not sure what this approximate 200-acre plot--on a > > part of which my Mackins may have lived--is nowadays, but I've seen photos > > of Kilmaine and it's very picturesque and colorful. > > > > I hope some of this might provide clues, but there was such a mass exodus > > from Ireland during the Great Famine and they came from every nook and > > cranny, so it might mean nothing at all. > > > > I will say that it took me 20 years to find the above-mentioned obituary, > > so > > never give up! > > > > Good luck! > > > > Rita Mackin Fox > > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > > > > > > I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many > > brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some > > more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its > > because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) > > > > Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm > > in > > the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My > > Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. > > Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line > > would > > be helpful! > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Submit your information to the Metro Louisville-Jefferson County KY History and Genealogy project. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/ for information on how to submit. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Rita, A trip to Ireland, HOW EXCITING! I'm not giving up and have requested some info from the church. I'm hoping they'll go with my request. I know what church he was at in later years, but don't know on the early years. For the majority of his life he lived at 17th and Main. Thanks again! Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Mackin Fox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > I, too, have Irish ancestors. Most of mine settled in > Marion-Nelson-Washington counties, but several migrated on to Louisville, > particularly MACKIN and JOYCE families. > > The Mackins attended St. Cecilia's (Mackin Gym was named for Fr. William P. > Mackin, b. in Ireland late 1840s, president of St. Joseph's College for four > years; died while pastor of St. Cecilia's in 1893). He was the youngest > brother of my 2nd great-grandfather, Michael C. Mackin. > > And the Joyces attended St. Louis Bertrand. My third-great-grandmother, > Bridget Costello Mackin, went to live with her daughter, Adelia Mackin > Joyce, in her later years and also went there. > > My Mackins hailed from the vicinity of Kilmaine, in the southern part of Co. > Mayo. Thomas Joyce, who married Adelia, may have been from Mayo or Co. > Galway. Bridget Costello Mackin was from the area of Tuam, eastern Co. > Galway. Tuam and Kilmaine are only about 20 miles apart. > > I encourage you to look at the Irish Catholic publications of the time in > Louisville. (I forget the newspaper's name, but the microfilm is at the > Louisville Free Public Library at 4th and York in the Kentucky Room.) I > found out the locations of my Mackin-Costello roots in an 1890 obituary that > was published for Bridget. Her son, Fr. Mackin, was a Louisville pastor at > that time, which is probably why she had such a detailed obituary. (I'm > guessing he wrote it for her.) > > I recently invested $100 in a records search in the Heritage Center in South > Co. Mayo, but didn't get much info, even knowing the town the Mackins came > from. Most is speculation because there just weren't any church or civil > records from before 1851 or so and mine seemed to have migrated about 1850. > Still, they tried their best and guessed at where the Mackins might have > lived based on new Mackins coming on the voter and property-owner rolls > about the time mine left. (To vote, people had to own at least 10 acres of > land, I think they said. Until my relatives left, they suppose these other > men did not have enough property to meet that minimum.) > > I'm going to visit the area (and Ireland) for the first time this year, > which is very exciting. Not sure what this approximate 200-acre plot--on a > part of which my Mackins may have lived--is nowadays, but I've seen photos > of Kilmaine and it's very picturesque and colorful. > > I hope some of this might provide clues, but there was such a mass exodus > from Ireland during the Great Famine and they came from every nook and > cranny, so it might mean nothing at all. > > I will say that it took me 20 years to find the above-mentioned obituary, so > never give up! > > Good luck! > > Rita Mackin Fox > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > > > I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many > brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some > more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its > because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) > > Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm in > the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My > Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. > Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line would > be helpful! > Thanks, > Debbie > Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Rita...When I was a lad living at 25th & Duncan Streets in Louisville during the early 1930's I alsowent to St. Cecelia's and spent a lot of time playing basketball at what we called"the Mackin Council" gymnasium. I never knew how this wonderful place got its name. Thank you Jimmy O'Bryan in cold and damp northern California. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Mackin Fox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > I, too, have Irish ancestors. Most of mine settled in > Marion-Nelson-Washington counties, but several migrated on to Louisville, > particularly MACKIN and JOYCE families. > > The Mackins attended St. Cecilia's (Mackin Gym was named for Fr. William P. > Mackin, b. in Ireland late 1840s, president of St. Joseph's College for four > years; died while pastor of St. Cecilia's in 1893). He was the youngest > brother of my 2nd great-grandfather, Michael C. Mackin. > > And the Joyces attended St. Louis Bertrand. My third-great-grandmother, > Bridget Costello Mackin, went to live with her daughter, Adelia Mackin > Joyce, in her later years and also went there. > > My Mackins hailed from the vicinity of Kilmaine, in the southern part of Co. > Mayo. Thomas Joyce, who married Adelia, may have been from Mayo or Co. > Galway. Bridget Costello Mackin was from the area of Tuam, eastern Co. > Galway. Tuam and Kilmaine are only about 20 miles apart. > > I encourage you to look at the Irish Catholic publications of the time in > Louisville. (I forget the newspaper's name, but the microfilm is at the > Louisville Free Public Library at 4th and York in the Kentucky Room.) I > found out the locations of my Mackin-Costello roots in an 1890 obituary that > was published for Bridget. Her son, Fr. Mackin, was a Louisville pastor at > that time, which is probably why she had such a detailed obituary. (I'm > guessing he wrote it for her.) > > I recently invested $100 in a records search in the Heritage Center in South > Co. Mayo, but didn't get much info, even knowing the town the Mackins came > from. Most is speculation because there just weren't any church or civil > records from before 1851 or so and mine seemed to have migrated about 1850. > Still, they tried their best and guessed at where the Mackins might have > lived based on new Mackins coming on the voter and property-owner rolls > about the time mine left. (To vote, people had to own at least 10 acres of > land, I think they said. Until my relatives left, they suppose these other > men did not have enough property to meet that minimum.) > > I'm going to visit the area (and Ireland) for the first time this year, > which is very exciting. Not sure what this approximate 200-acre plot--on a > part of which my Mackins may have lived--is nowadays, but I've seen photos > of Kilmaine and it's very picturesque and colorful. > > I hope some of this might provide clues, but there was such a mass exodus > from Ireland during the Great Famine and they came from every nook and > cranny, so it might mean nothing at all. > > I will say that it took me 20 years to find the above-mentioned obituary, so > never give up! > > Good luck! > > Rita Mackin Fox > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > > > I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many > brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some > more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its > because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) > > Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm in > the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My > Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. > Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line would > be helpful! > Thanks, > Debbie > Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

My Irish relatives were not Catholic...One of the families from the Williams side who came to Louisville was the Anderson family. Have you checked the records for the County on the internet? Stay away from paying sites, unless you have Ancestry.com already. There are a number of websites for different areas of Ireland. It may take a while, but find the Parish your family was in. Sometimes the Parishes crossed civil lines...Some of Armagh goes into Antrim, etc. I found the Protestant records for Tyholland/Tyhallan which were quite old on the internet years ago. Think of all the combinations you can to do searches...Look for photos and it may lead you to a clue, look for churches and it may give you cemeteries. These are from a search for Park but there is enough general information that you can get for free on this that you shouldn't have to hire someone. http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/archives.htm http://www.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/intro.asp http://www.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/intro.asp http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/heritagecenters.htm http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/visitireland.htm http://www.ireland.progenealogists.com/ I have another link somewhere in my information that covers a great many counties in Ireland. Remember, too, that your family may have originally been Scotch, English or Welsh. Also check all the Irish Message Boards and Mailing Lists. Pat Morano Check: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Mackin Fox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > I, too, have Irish ancestors. Most of mine settled in > Marion-Nelson-Washington counties, but several migrated on to Louisville, > particularly MACKIN and JOYCE families. > > The Mackins attended St. Cecilia's (Mackin Gym was named for Fr. William > P. > Mackin, b. in Ireland late 1840s, president of St. Joseph's College for > four > years; died while pastor of St. Cecilia's in 1893). He was the youngest > brother of my 2nd great-grandfather, Michael C. Mackin. > > And the Joyces attended St. Louis Bertrand. My third-great-grandmother, > Bridget Costello Mackin, went to live with her daughter, Adelia Mackin > Joyce, in her later years and also went there. > > My Mackins hailed from the vicinity of Kilmaine, in the southern part of > Co. > Mayo. Thomas Joyce, who married Adelia, may have been from Mayo or Co. > Galway. Bridget Costello Mackin was from the area of Tuam, eastern Co. > Galway. Tuam and Kilmaine are only about 20 miles apart. > > I encourage you to look at the Irish Catholic publications of the time in > Louisville. (I forget the newspaper's name, but the microfilm is at the > Louisville Free Public Library at 4th and York in the Kentucky Room.) I > found out the locations of my Mackin-Costello roots in an 1890 obituary > that > was published for Bridget. Her son, Fr. Mackin, was a Louisville pastor at > that time, which is probably why she had such a detailed obituary. (I'm > guessing he wrote it for her.) > > I recently invested $100 in a records search in the Heritage Center in > South > Co. Mayo, but didn't get much info, even knowing the town the Mackins came > from. Most is speculation because there just weren't any church or civil > records from before 1851 or so and mine seemed to have migrated about > 1850. > Still, they tried their best and guessed at where the Mackins might have > lived based on new Mackins coming on the voter and property-owner rolls > about the time mine left. (To vote, people had to own at least 10 acres of > land, I think they said. Until my relatives left, they suppose these other > men did not have enough property to meet that minimum.) > > I'm going to visit the area (and Ireland) for the first time this year, > which is very exciting. Not sure what this approximate 200-acre plot--on a > part of which my Mackins may have lived--is nowadays, but I've seen photos > of Kilmaine and it's very picturesque and colorful. > > I hope some of this might provide clues, but there was such a mass exodus > from Ireland during the Great Famine and they came from every nook and > cranny, so it might mean nothing at all. > > I will say that it took me 20 years to find the above-mentioned obituary, > so > never give up! > > Good luck! > > Rita Mackin Fox > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors > > > I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many > brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some > more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its > because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) > > Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm > in > the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My > Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. > Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line > would > be helpful! > Thanks, > Debbie > Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Search the Jefferson List Archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER > > or the Jefferson threaded archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

No Stockyards Hotel listed in 1938 City Directory of Louisville. 719 Washington Street at that time located between Clay Street and Shelby Street. Most of these homes are still standing. Glenn

Bowman Field now just a general aviation airport. Most plans being private or charter operations. Supposedly, more take offs and landings than OHare in Chicago. This is due to the number of touch and go take offs and landings of small personal planes. I'd say it's quieter today, than it was in the 1950's. Glenn

yeah, and they call it progress HA -- Teddy List Mom for the Grayson Co Ky List, Brady, Vertrees, Ford, Fulkerson,and Commonwealth http://www.kygenweb.net/pd-res/deford.html -------------- Original message -------------- > > In a message dated 2/22/2005 12:02:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Can you > imagine tearing down those old beautiful homes in those tree lined courts > to make > parking spaces? > > > > Speaking of tearing down, I grew up in the Highland Park area of Louisville. > As a child I went to James Russell Lowell Elementary. I have many great > memories of the shops along Park Blvd. Now everything is gone. torn down by > the expansion of the airport. I now live in the Beechmont area and the history > here is wonderful too. > > Pam > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, KY History and Genealogy page is part of the KyGenWeb and > USGenWeb, and are not-for-profit Projects. Visit us at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at > the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&target > id=5429 >

I, too, have Irish ancestors. Most of mine settled in Marion-Nelson-Washington counties, but several migrated on to Louisville, particularly MACKIN and JOYCE families. The Mackins attended St. Cecilia's (Mackin Gym was named for Fr. William P. Mackin, b. in Ireland late 1840s, president of St. Joseph's College for four years; died while pastor of St. Cecilia's in 1893). He was the youngest brother of my 2nd great-grandfather, Michael C. Mackin. And the Joyces attended St. Louis Bertrand. My third-great-grandmother, Bridget Costello Mackin, went to live with her daughter, Adelia Mackin Joyce, in her later years and also went there. My Mackins hailed from the vicinity of Kilmaine, in the southern part of Co. Mayo. Thomas Joyce, who married Adelia, may have been from Mayo or Co. Galway. Bridget Costello Mackin was from the area of Tuam, eastern Co. Galway. Tuam and Kilmaine are only about 20 miles apart. I encourage you to look at the Irish Catholic publications of the time in Louisville. (I forget the newspaper's name, but the microfilm is at the Louisville Free Public Library at 4th and York in the Kentucky Room.) I found out the locations of my Mackin-Costello roots in an 1890 obituary that was published for Bridget. Her son, Fr. Mackin, was a Louisville pastor at that time, which is probably why she had such a detailed obituary. (I'm guessing he wrote it for her.) I recently invested $100 in a records search in the Heritage Center in South Co. Mayo, but didn't get much info, even knowing the town the Mackins came from. Most is speculation because there just weren't any church or civil records from before 1851 or so and mine seemed to have migrated about 1850. Still, they tried their best and guessed at where the Mackins might have lived based on new Mackins coming on the voter and property-owner rolls about the time mine left. (To vote, people had to own at least 10 acres of land, I think they said. Until my relatives left, they suppose these other men did not have enough property to meet that minimum.) I'm going to visit the area (and Ireland) for the first time this year, which is very exciting. Not sure what this approximate 200-acre plot--on a part of which my Mackins may have lived--is nowadays, but I've seen photos of Kilmaine and it's very picturesque and colorful. I hope some of this might provide clues, but there was such a mass exodus from Ireland during the Great Famine and they came from every nook and cranny, so it might mean nothing at all. I will say that it took me 20 years to find the above-mentioned obituary, so never give up! Good luck! Rita Mackin Fox [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Debbie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYJEFFER] Irish ancestors I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm in the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line would be helpful! Thanks, Debbie Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== Search the Jefferson List Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYJEFFER or the Jefferson threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KYJEFFER ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I recently got wrapped up in my Irish ancestors again. I had hit so many brick walls, I put them aside for awhile. Last week I happened upon some more info, and its prompted me to jump in on that line again. Maybe, its because St. Patrick's Day is on its way :-) Does anyone know if there is any type of Irish organization locally? I'm in the process of trying to gather some information from the churches. My Irish ancestors left no clue as to where in Ireland they hailed from. Anyone with any suggestions, who've worked locally on their Irish line would be helpful! Thanks, Debbie Researching: FLYNN, McGOVERN, COPPINGER

In a message dated 2/22/2005 12:02:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Can you imagine tearing down those old beautiful homes in those tree lined courts to make parking spaces? Speaking of tearing down, I grew up in the Highland Park area of Louisville. As a child I went to James Russell Lowell Elementary. I have many great memories of the shops along Park Blvd. Now everything is gone. torn down by the expansion of the airport. I now live in the Beechmont area and the history here is wonderful too. Pam

Amen to that, Laura!! Priscilla ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [KYJEFFER] Rag Hill > Yes, I can imagine tearing down our history. In my opinion, in comparison > with Lexington, > Ky., Louisville has done a poor job of preserving it's history. > Laura > > > ==== KYJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Jefferson County, Kentucky History and Genealogy page is proud to be a part of the KyGenWeb and the USGenWeb Projects, both of which are not-for-profit endeavors. Visit us at http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/ . > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Is there anyone that lived in Bowman Field before they made it just an airpot? I know when we left KY they were planning on demolishion and that was 1961. It was a great place to live, and we always saw the planes landing, but they were a whole lot quiter tha they are now. -- Teddy List Mom for the Grayson Co Ky List, Brady, Vertrees, Ford, Fulkerson,and Commonwealth http://www.kygenweb.net/pd-res/deford.html

In a message dated 2/22/2005 9:45:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Is there anyone that lived in Bowman Field before they made it just an airpot? I know when we left KY they were planning on demolishion and that was 1961. It was a great place to live, and we always saw the planes landing, but they were a whole lot quiter tha they are now. -- Teddy Teddy, The only plans for demolishing was the existing military living quarters around the Bowman Field area. The airport is alive and thriving. It is still a big economic asset to the Louisville and St. Matthew's area. One of my Manual High School sweethearts lived in one of those housing units built for W. W. II military families. The original Administration building still stands on my last visit, as I am a lifetime member of the Aircraft Pilots Club, and did all my training in the late 1960s at KY Aircraft with then owner Mr. Richard Mulloy, another great person who had done so much for the aircraft businesses and promotion of Bowman Field and increasing trained pilots in Louisville, KY. The Bowman Field residential areas surrounding the airfield is still a great place to raise families and live. In the aircraft world Bowman Field is one of the Civil Aviation Jewels in all the United States. JOHN now living at beaches of CA