The World War ! War Memorial List for Christian County is now on line at: http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/christian/christalhn.html The next information will take quite awhile as it will be a roster of all military of WWI in Christian. If I can help - please let me know! *******KYSEEKER********

Is anyone researching the family of Kenneth Grief, b. about1943, in the Paducah, KY area. I do know there used to be a restaurant called "Grief's" when I was a little girl growing up in Paducah. Maybe this is a relative. I have purchased some old children's books with his name in the front. There is also a Louis Grief named in one. If you are interested, please contact me personally, Rhonda Smith rocky.road@netzero.net ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Hi Tammy, What a wonderful offer I am researching the Williams line in Paducah. I don't know of an Earle in our line but then I don't know how many I am looking for. I know my Williams arrived in the McCracken Paducah area around just before 1840 they were not on the 1830 census but they were on the 1840. I have not been able to get a look up yet for the 1860 to see how many more children they may have had they had at least one more because there was a daughter Isabella on the 1870. I have a box of pictures some I am sure are them but as of yet no one to share them with. I would be very interested if any one else takes an interest in this picture. If no one claims this picture I would like to have it. Just in case it is mine. Are you in Paducah? Do you know of anyone there that does look ups at the court house? This is what my line looks like anyone have any clues or hints? The family had lived there for a long time I can't believe there is nothing left. 1850 McCracken County Census. Here is what I found. Williams, J. G. age 48 farmer born NC Eliza age 38 born NC W. J. age 16, male born TN Thaddeus age 14, born KY J. S. age 12 male born KY S. E. J. age 9 female born KY Eliza Annie age 7 female born KYmarried Robert E. Glover M. A. age 5 female born KY Cornelius age 3, male born KY M. C. age 2 female born KY. also Isabella Williams is on the 1870 Thanks for any help Sharon Florida

My friends - I want to drop by today and give you the solution, and some analysis, on the latest Skills Puzzler, which was based upon name evaluation. Only 4 brave folks tried this one, although two of our subscribers indicated that they did not believe that there was enough information in the narrative on which to base a good plan of action. The information was there, but hard to "see". Our question involved the name "Joel Hawes Curd". He was a son of Edmund Curd and his second wife, Mary (Polly)Grizzard. In the narrative of the Puzzler, I noted that Edmund's parentage has never been determined, and that, quite naturally, those who are researching this group have analyzed the possible derivation for each of the names given to the children by his second wife, in search of clues about possible grandparents, or other close relatives. In the case of Joel Hawes Curd, it was known that he had an uncle, Joel Grizzard, which, in the view of an early group of researchers, explained the first name derivation of Joel Hawes Curd. The "Hawes" in the view of this earlier group of researchers, had to be an indication of a close relationship to the "other" group of Curds in Calloway and Marshall counties, in which the name Hawes appears as a middle name in two cases. Our task was to make a determination about whether this was a sound hypothesis on which to proceed. And if not, why not? In the Puzzler narrative, I pointed out that Edmund Curd and his sons were very much involved in the civic and religious element of society in the JP and especially in Calloway County. Edmund and Mary's eldest son, William Hardy Curd, was the first recording secretary of the First Christian Church in Murray, when it was established. When I undertook my own analysis of the names of the children of Edmund Curd and his second wife, I tried to avoid any preconceived notions about why the children were named as they were. However, when I examined the names, I did so with an eye to the environment in which Edmund and Mary were living, as well as keeping in mind that men around them who were prominent in the are of the JP, in which Edmund lived, might have had an influence on the naming of children. Beyond that, I kept in mind that the family was a very religious one and that had to be factored in as well. With all of that in mind, and doing some research into the religious leaders of Edmund's life, it did not take long to come upon the Reverend Joel Hawes, from the northeastern part of the country, who was a prominent minister in what would become the Church of Christ denomination. We can still find some of his teachings and sermons today and he was well known in the late 18th and 19th centuries. Having found that, I had to factor it in, and, in so doing, I came to the conclusion that the hypothesis that Joel Hawes Curd was named for his uncle, Joel Grizzard, and that the Hawes indicated a close relationship to the other group of Curd in the region, was far weaker in view of the knowledge that a well known minister with that name, and in the right religious denomination, may well have been the influence that caused Edmund and Mary to name a child "Joel Hawes". Does it prove anything? No, and it *is* possible that Edmund and Mary named their son in honor of her brother, but it would have seemed more likely that he would have been named Joel Grizzard Curd, rather than Joel Hawes. If we can place ourselves into the times in which our ancestors lived, and know as much as we can about their social, intellectual and economic standing, it gives us a much better foundation on which to gauge the hypotheses that may come along in our research. -B ============================================================

To anyone on this list who is researching the Williams family. Today I was in an antique store close to my home, I found some old pictures. They looked like late 1800 early 1900 photo's (I am not sure could be older) Anyway I thought I remembered someone on this list researching Williams and there is a picture of a little boy. It was taken at what looks like McFadden(?) Studios opposite the Opera house in Paducah KY. The back says Earle Williams 2yrs. 2 months. They have a $4.00 price tag on the back. So if any of you think this picture is someone you know, let me know and I will go and get it. The picture is in very good shape. Tammy

me again! I've finished another link to the Christian County ALHN Home Page this evening and I'd like to share it with you. Drop by and click on the Link - "Over There" -- http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/christian/christalhn.html Read about the history of Christian County in WW1 and the happenings at that time. I'm hoping to get all the soldiers up sometime this week. As they are next.. *******KYSEEKER******** *******KYSEEKER********

Hi Bill, Would like a copy of LG7878 of Land Grants west of the Tennessee in the JP. Thanks sooooo much Patgen

My friends - I now have another segment prepared in our series on land grants west of the Tennessee River in the Jackson Purchase. This file contains more of the surnames which begin with the letter "A", more specifically the surnames: Arthur, Armstrong, Arent, Archer, Arnold, Arledge, Ashburn, Ashbrook, Ashly, Ashworth, Asply, Atkinson, Atherton, Averitt/Avritt, Abernathy, Andess, Atteberry, Ashell, Amos, Abney, Asteed, Austin, Akes, Agner, Acurn, Arnett, Alford and Atkins. If you would like a copy of this file, let me know and I will get it to you - please specify file *LG7878*. As the tenured members of this List are aware, I have had to start giving file numbers to these segments, in order to retain some ability to manage them and identify them quickly. I will send the file as a plain text attachment to an e-mail message, unless you specify that you need it as a straight e-mail(which often will skew the columnar alignments). You will receive the full file - time constraints do not permit me to go into the file and separate out the data for individual surnames. A listing of the other installments in this series, with their file numbers, can be viewed here: www.rootsweb.com/~kygraves/JPGrants.htm For those on the JP List, I'll return later with the solution to yesterday's Skills Puzzler. -B ============================================================

My friends - I recently saw an article in the fine little magazine, "Kentucky Explorer", about a man named William Gardner, of Calloway County. Mr.Gardner had been interviewed in 1901 at the age of 97 by a reporter from the Paducah News-Democrat, during a visit which Mr.Gardner was making to Paducah. He was identified as the oldest living pioneer of the region. This article struck a chord with me, as I felt I had seen it before. I did some digging in those several hundred floppies which have JP data on them, and found the piece on one of them. I have reformatted it into plain text, and if anyone on the List is a relative or descendant of William Gardner, or his son Napolean, or brothers Jesse and Frank(a twin to William - and there were probably other siblings to William), and would like to have a copy of this article, let me know and I will get it to you as a plain text attachment to an e-mail message unless you specify that you need it as a straight e-mail message. It is fascinating to read, since he was born in 1804 in North Carolina. He talks about the trip to KY with his parents, about staying over in Boonesboro en route, about his wedding and how the clothes were made - it is an interesting step back into history through the eyes and words of one who actually lived it. I'll be back later today with another JP Land Grants text file. -B ===========================================================

We'll be gond for a while and don't want messages to pile up. Thanks

Here's some more names we are looking at from Mammoth Cave. 1) Found a reference to: "Co. H 3rd KY'. Anyone know if this is a Civil War Company and and anything about them? 2) SLOWN, Mary KY, Hopkinsville 3) IVANHOE COMMANDERY #24 K.T. S.M.B. Can anyone tell me anything about the Ivanhoe Commandery? Folks. this is just the beginning ......... Thanks for the help, Jennifer Pursell

My friends - I am going to close out this week's postings with another in the Skills Puzzler series. I usually try to do one of these every two weeks, and I realize that it has only been a week since our last one, but a couple of messages that came across my screen over this week has caused me to decide to post another Puzzler today. Every one of us study the names given to our ancestors and collateral lines. Sometimes just finding a middle name itself, for example, may require years, as it did in the case of one of my own lines. I spent 21 years trying to find the middle name of one of my ancestors, and, ironically enough, he "told" it to me himself in the end. Names - and very often middle names - can be surnames of grandparents, or given names of grandparents or other relatives. While the old genealogical axiom about the eldest child having always been named for one grandparent or the other and the next one for the other grandparent, etc., is false, it is nevertheless true that there was some degree of what I call "pattern name giving", especially in the 19th century. If we are careful with our analysis and study the backgrounds and the environments in which our 19th century families lived, these names can be vital clues for us. Our Puzzler today deals with the JP family of Curd, which is one of my own lines. Many of you are aware that Edmund Curd, born 1772, was the first Land Commissioner for the Kentucky Jackson Purchase when the Land Office was in Wadesboro. Edmund died in 1846 in Calloway County. He was married twice - first to Mildred Hereford in Shelby Co., KY in 1800 and later to Mary(Polly)Grizzard, in 1817. He and Mary came to Calloway County in 1824. Edmund had a number of children by his first wife, including Charles Curd, who gave the land on which Murray was built. We want to focus on the children which Edmund had by his second wife, Mary Grizzard. Among them were William Hardy Curd, Joel Hawes Curd, Elizabeth Curd, who married a Hollingsworth, and Edmund Grizzard Curd. There has been a mystery about the parentage of Edmund Curd for over 80 years. Indeed, in spite of the efforts of many people, we still cannot locate his parents. Naturally, we look at names for clues. For example, William Hardy Curd - "Hardy" was the given name of William's maternal grandfather, Hardy Grizzard - that fits nicely. But William? We do not know. Edmund Grizzard Curd is pretty clearly a situation in which the son was named for his father and maiden name of his mother. But what about Joel Hawes Curd? Where does that name fit? We know that the Curd family was very much involved in the civic and religious activities in early Calloway County. Edmund was a well known surveyor and was well educated and fairly well-to-do financially. His son, William Hardy, was the first "secretary" of the First Christian Church in Murray, and Joel Hawes Curd and his family were, of course, members there. The question before the house in this Puzzler is this: what can we gather from that name Joel Hawes Curd? Can we see any clues in it? Those who had searched the Curd clan before I came along had found that Mary Grizzard Curd had a brother named Joel. So that part seemed clear - his first name came from his uncle, Joel Grizzard. That leaves us with Hawes. The earlier researchers had pointed to the fact that the "other" group of Curds in Calloway County(for there were two groups, related no doubt, but how is yet to be proven) had two men with that same middle name: Edmund Hawes Curd and Samuel Hawes Curd. Therefore, the appearance of that name Hawes among Edmund's(the Land Commissioner)sons is clearly an indication of a close relationship with that other group of Curds in Calloway County. Do you think that the above conclusions about the name "Joel Hawes Curd" is a reasonable hypothesis about the origin of the name itself? If not, why not, and how would we arrive at some other hypothesis, if the one above is not reasonable? If you want to express your thoughts on this one, you can do so either to the List or to me privately. I will return over the weekend at some point with the solution and analysis. As always, there will be no data posts per se over the weekend, but i expect to drop by with another in our continuing series of JP Land Grants text files, and I will have a special file available this week, which will be of particular interest to those with Gardner forebears in the JP region. -B ===========================================================

Please send me the info on Ball, E and Bohanan, Maggie Thanks Bill,

My friends - Today, we are going to resume our review of late 19th century marriages in Ballard County, covering the 1887-1900 time frame. In earlier posts, we had worked our way up to 1889, and we will continue with that year in this post. If you see a marriage of interest, and would like the complete data set for that marriage(which generally includes the dates of license and marriage, names of witnesses, name of principal, who performed the ceremony and where), let me know and I will get that information to you. As always, your help in not resending this entire message back to me with your request is greatly appreciated. Tomorrow we will close out the week's data posts with another in either the Tips or Skills Puzzler series. -B ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ballard County - Late 19th Century Marriage - Part 5 Allcock, J.R. Williams, Julia H. Hall, R.A. Apperson, S.R. McElya, G.E. Owen, M.L. Atkins, J.H. Joyner, Luella Lilly, W.D. Herring, M.H. Brame, Charley H. Roland, Lee Arrington, John Thomas, Jessie Ball, E. Bohanan, Maggie Chamers, James Sayers, Ella Stevenson, E.A. Rollings, Lizzie Tisdale, J.W. McNeill, Addie White, James Henry Turner, Leona Reasoner, M.S. Catherine Brookings Carpenter, B.S. Brooks, K.M. Seat, Robert B. Marshall, Jennie E. Mantle, E.B. Lawrence, Lizzie Cook, J.B. Manor, M.E. Reddick, J.D. Edrington, Sallie Northington, R.V. Graham, Georgia A. Simmons, Raymond Skinner, Florence Thompson, Alfred Taylor, Emma Williams, I.E. Cooper, Emma Pinner, D.H. McDonald, Florence Mitchell, Cornelius Averiett, Eugenia White, W.T. Rich, Naoma Campbell, W.O. Seat, S.F. Green, S.F. Childress, E.F. ~to be continued~ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does anyone have a record or know of a marriage between Mary Ann Roberts & Lott Carney sometime between 1850-1870? Thanks. Pat Mc c

My friends - Due to limited time on the computer today, I am going to try to respond to all requests for data that are pending, but there will be no data post tonight. We'll resume with another data post tomorrow. -B ============================================================

I am looking for a man a doctor Scott, Doctor Scott that helped raise a family of children after the Civil War, their last name was Stum around Wickliff? --Alicia

Hello, I am looking for the records on my family 1750 to 1860 give or take a decade or two: ( the Unsell and Stum/Stom families lived around Wickliff, KY ) #1 Female Unsell ( my picture of her shows features of American Indian ) I have names of two Dewesse sisters that married two Unsell brother but no records past their marriages. # 2 Stom/Stum (school teachers spelled bothers names different and so we have both spelling) that married a Unsell Lady ( this family had riverboats before and after Civil War, my great grandmother Mary Stum had a bell from one of the boats and her youngest brother fell off one of the boats and drown, George Stum b. abt. 1864. Other siblings were Martha Stum- mar. a Sullivan, her daughter married a Rawlings and James Stum. # 3 Parents of Samuel H. Grigsby that married Margaret Catharine Lilley. They lived in Paducak KY. A knight in shining armor recently sent census information that had them and perhaps their families on same street. My Grannie Tina Lee Grigsby Coleman told me one of her grandparents or one of her great grandparents eloped, the daughter was disowned perhaps because of different religions. This is my brick wall since 1983, when Grannie died, I promised her I would locate her family, All records that came to TX. were lost in a fire. My oldest aunt, Sarah Elizabeth Coleman Connor says she use to visit some Unsell cousins on the Plains of TX. maybe Archer county and some of that family moved to Amarillo, TX. I know this is long, I figure the more I write the bigger the chance someone will recognizes their family.---Alicia

My friends - Tonight, we are going to continue our review of the Vital Statistics Birth Records for Marshall County. In prior segments of this series, we have worked our way up to the year 1855. We will continue with that year in this post. The number of names shown in this posting will be less than usual, as my computer time over the next 24 hours will be restricted due to other commitments. I have included the full data on the Starks and Pace births, since we have a fair number of people on the List who are working on those families. If you see a name of interest to you, and you would like the full data set for that birth(which usually includes the date of birth, the sex of the child if not obvious, and the name of the father and maiden name of the mother), let me know and I will forward that information on to you. As always, your help in not resending this entire message back to me with your request is greatly appreciated. -B ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marshall County Vital Statistics Records - Births - Part 16 (M)=Male (F)=Female Frizzell, N.C. (M) Finch, P.A. (F) Minter, J.S. (M) Burnett, ------ (F) Walker, ------ (M) Fowler, Jacob Canup, ------ (M) Roberts, Mary J. Smith, Martha A. Eley, ------ (M) Starks, ------ (M), born 21 Feb 1855, son of S.H.Starks & Polly Pace Ford, Robert F. Gilbert, Patterson M. York, Sarah A. Bourland, John H. Darnall, W.W. (M) Darnall, H.A. (M) York, Robert H. Perry, H.W. (M) Frizzell, S. (M) York, J.M. (M) Averitt, James M. Thompson, M.E. (F) Morgan, A.L. (M) Pace, L.J., female, born 2 April 1855, dau of D.C.Pace & E. Starks Edwards, J.B. (M) Howell, ------ (M) Pace, G.B., male, born 9 Sept 1855, son of T.P.Pace & Liza Roberts ~to be continued~ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear researchers, One thing that I like to do is learn more about the times that my ancestors lived in and I thought others might be interested as well. I subscribe to a computer "techie" list call Kim Kamando and this suggestion is link is from that list - I thought some of you might enjoy it as well. Best wishes. Pat "Time Warp: 1900 vs. Now Part of Time Magazine's end-of-the-century celebration, Time Warp displays stats and info from the United States and world for the early part of the 1900s and the present in order to compare life at the start of the century with life now. Data provided includes populations and mortality; employment, unemployment and salary information; cars and trains; the shrinkage of farm and forest lands; comparative prices of consumer goods and more. http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/timewarp/timewarp.html" As an example - this is from that Time web site: U.S. EVERY DAY LIFE IN 1900:: - 1 in 7 homes had a bathtub - 1 in 13 homes had a telephone - Brownie camera: $1 - lb.of sugar: 4 cents - dozen eggs: 14 cents - lb. of butter: 24 cents