This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gabbard, Bishop Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5AB.2ACE/1459.1460.1457.1466.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I agree! We do seem to be talking about the same people. My sister talked to the daughter another son of Godrey and Laverie (or Luvernia/ie), James H. back in the 70's to find out as much as we had. She was the one who called the father/grandfather Jacob - "Black Jake". My grandfather was Jacob, who probably was the oldest child of Godfrey and Lavernia. Jacob married my grandmother, Katie Bishop in Hobart, Oklahoma around 1912 or so. My father was born in Hobart in 1914. We have letters that from "Jack" from Pennsylvania where he moved to sell insurance. I don't have the records here; my sister has them in Texas. I am starting to compile a record on the computer so we both can have all this. We think my grandmother and grandfather were divorced, but have no proof yet. My grandmother never talked about him. Ah - family secrets!! We too have no one close to ask as well. We probably have distant cousins who might know something we have not contacted. As I said, I am just getting into this, and my sister put it aside 30 years ago. If you have more information, I would love to have it - with the risk of being overloaded with data before I get organized here. Glenda Holmes