This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joycecollins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14833.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I have just read your latest e-mail; however, I had posted. As I see it, they appeared as follows on the 1920 census: Dwelling 44-44 GUTHRIE, Newton, 39, head, b. AL . .Bertha, 25, wife, b. AL; father b. PA; mother b. AL . .May, 17, dau, b. AL . .Beulah, 15, dau, b. AL . .Willie, 12, son, b. AL . .Gertie, dau, 10, b. AL ----------------------------- above would have been born to Alice A.. Then at some point Alice died between the birth of Gertie abt. 1908 and the birth of Louis, age 6 in 1914. . . Louis, 6, son, b. AL . .Melvin, 4 yrs 9 months, b. AL . .Margaret, dau, 3 yrs 4 months, b. AL . .Julius, 1 yr, 4 months, b. AL NOTE: Of course, Alice could have been the mother to some of these later children. Difficult to really know . I would suggest you contact Walker County, AL court records for a marriage for him and Bertha. He probably also married this Alice A. in Walker Co., AL also. I would say odds are with all those births, she probably died from some sort of complications which was so common then. Just in looking at the birth pattern, odds are that Louis was the first child of Bertha. All the other births are between 1-2 years apart and there is a almost 4 year spread between Gertie and Louis. You might also check with any local Walker Co. Genealogical Society for records of deaths around 1911-1912 for this Alice A. Or, for any records of cemetery listings for Alice A. GUTHRIE. Good luck to you in your search. On Ancestry.com there is the VERY FAINTEST record for the WWI Draft Registration for Marcus Newton GUTHRIE. There it gives his birth as: 5-22-1880 and he lived at Carbon Hill, Walker Co., AL. It gives his eyes as : blue; hair as: light; medium built. Signed in 1918. I cannot read the name of his next of kin but it does appear to be Bertha GUTHRIE. I'm sorry to say it is just so very, very light that many parts of the registration are just not readable. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Joyce Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.