My mother had a friend Elsie Green and her dad had black lung disease and he died from it there in Colorado and her mother took all the kids and moved back to Kentucky. I got a lot of old pictures from her last year. Her dad is buried on Glade Park where my grandparents and great-grandparents are buried. The dust in the uranium mines is not quite as bad as the coal dust and they do spray it down with water. The radiation is monitored now and if it is above what it should be they shut the mine down. Coal mining is a lot more dangerous than any other kind of mining except maybe potash. There is a potash mine near Moab, Utah and it is so hot down there that the men can only work for a few hours at a time. On Feb 4, 2008 5:12 PM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > My grandfather, Robert "Bob" Ray, who worked in those Harlan County mines > and others mines in Alabama. He had Miner's Asthma or Black Lung as it now > called and suffered from it until he died. Dr. Bob! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 9:53:15 AM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > My Miracles and related families moved to Colorado to get out of the coal > mines and let their lungs heal. Unfortunately many of them had no other > skills so they ended up working in the molybdenum mines which are possibly > more dangerous than coal. Many of them died of the same lung diseases. > My > dad was a uranium miner. Before they found out what radiation did to > people > many worked without blowing air into the mines etc. and got lung cancer. > They later paid those who had lung cancer each $150,000. My dad didn't > get > lung cancer so he didn't get any money. We did notice that most of the > people who did get lung cancer smoked. A slab fell on my cousins Jay > Kimball when he was working in one of my dad's mines. He was on leave > from > the Army during the Viet Nam War. It possibly saved his life since he was > injured and was not sent back to the War. > Barbara > > On Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Patrica > > When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", > > about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in > Harlan > > County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many > day > > he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes > for > > the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. > Providential > > day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by > a > > derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely > health > > and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a > thumb > > and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth > > because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the > mines. > > Dr. Bob Barnes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > > > I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining > > movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > > Thanks. > > Pat > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > > > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his > children, > > > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > > > > > Elva > > > > > > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > > too.. I > > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and > moved > > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > > his family, > > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > > pride > > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have > to > > be > > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > > ( > > > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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Dr. Bob, Did you know the Wilders in Lynch? There were 4 kids, Colleen, Jeweldine, Darlene, and Sonny. Rene' I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. - Helen Keller Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business. - Tom Robbins "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don’t matter at all, because once you are Real you can’t be ugly, except to people who don’t understand. - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Bob, My father was also a resident of Harlan Co. - in the early 1930's until he left for WW2. He lived a major portion of that time in the very poor Wallins Creek - but when his mother died from lack of proper medical attention, the kids were taken to High Splint. There was also much talk of a little cabin (on or near?) Black Mountain. My family was the Charles David Smith family - who actually called himself CD SMith. His wife, my grandmother, was Delida Fillippinie Smith. My father was Q.T. Smith I don't suppose you knew of the family? Ms. Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Barnes Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement Patrica When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. Dr. Bob Barnes ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? Thanks. Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > Elva > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy too.. I like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved his family, worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his pride would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to be ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! Debbie ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joycecollins Surnames: CREECH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14583.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, My confusion is not who Minnie's parents were but who James METCALF's parents were who was married to Flora/Flory CREECH, dau. of Daniel Boone CREECH and Nancy METCALF. This James was born in 1865 or thereabouts. This James METCALF and Flora CREECH METCALF were the parents of Minnie/Arminia, etc. METCALF. For Minnie, I have this: 1900 Newton Co., Arkansas - Pleasant Hill Township Dwelling 125-132 METCALF, James, 35, head, b. 3-1865, mar. 16 yrs, b. kY; father b. NC; mother b. KY (my CONFUSION!) . .Flora, 35, b. 3-1868, mar. 16 yrs, 4 born; 2 living, b. kY; parents b. KY (dau. of D. B. CREECH & Nancy METCALF) . .Arminta J., 12, dau, b. 3-1889, 12, b. KY * * . .William H., 9, b. March 1891, b. Arkansas NOTE: From the personal family stories of William R. NOE of Oliver Springs, TN at: [email protected] "we had a family member tell us that my grandmother's (Armina "Minnie" METCALF NOE b. approx. 3-30-1884 or 1886 parents's were a James METCALF and Fiona CREECH. We were told that Minnie came to Harlan KY in a covered wagon from the Ozarks. . . . " By the time of the 1910, Flora/Flory CREECH shows up as a divorced female at Dwelling 119 - 1910 Harlan Co. Fed. Census with Willie METCALF, age 16 and single and a granddau, Ella MADDEN, age 4 b. KY, said to be the daughter , Ella/Ellen b. 1905, born to Arminta/Minnie METCALF who married 4 times and who had this child with the William "Bill" MADDEN, Minnie's 2nd husband. I would appreciate any insight anyone has as to who this particular James METCALF's, b. abt. 1865, parents were. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

She would like be in her mid 80's if she is alive. I''m sorry that I didn't know your Wilders. My family moved away before WW2; However, after pushing my memory, My mother had a close friend that I remember as a child whose name was "Snobilee", like spelled Zenoble ???. ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 3:24:06 PM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Dr. Bob Barnes--coal mining movie statement Dr. Bob, Did you know the Wilders in Lynch? There were 4 kids, Colleen, Jeweldine, Darlene, and Sonny. Rene' I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. - Helen Keller Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business. - Tom Robbins "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don’t matter at all, because once you are Real you can’t be ugly, except to people who don’t understand. - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JULIETHOMAS23 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14583.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: He had 2 daughters by my grandmother Margie. He did not raise them but for a little while. I know at one time mom and aunt Catherine lived with him and Mae but they were only small children. Mom is his oldest child then Aunt Catherine. I know Charles and Sue they took me to Florida with them when I was young. I never got to know any of the other children so I'm not real sure how many there was. I've heard my speak of Janie and one other son but I'm not real sure about his name. We knew Uncle Jim and Aunt Cora they used to visit mom alot. Sadly to say we grew up not really knowing any of moms family. We only knew grandpa for a short time, he taught my little girl how to ride a bike. I have some pictures that uncle Jim gave us scanned on my computer at home if you would like me to send them to you I can. We have one of Isom and Minnie holding Grandpa when he was a baby. A couple of Grandpa and his brothers, uncle Jim and Aunt Cora. Just send me a email address wher! e I can forward them to. We have been working on the family tree. what we have is that Annie Harris was married to William Henry Noe then married Carlos Short. She was Isom Noe's Mother. James Metcalf was Minnie's Father and Flora Creech was her mother. Our confusion is on Minnie's mother. I would love to see a picture of Annie Harris or any of our relatives. Thanks Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My grandfather, Robert "Bob" Ray, who worked in those Harlan County mines and others mines in Alabama. He had Miner's Asthma or Black Lung as it now called and suffered from it until he died. Dr. Bob! ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 9:53:15 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement My Miracles and related families moved to Colorado to get out of the coal mines and let their lungs heal. Unfortunately many of them had no other skills so they ended up working in the molybdenum mines which are possibly more dangerous than coal. Many of them died of the same lung diseases. My dad was a uranium miner. Before they found out what radiation did to people many worked without blowing air into the mines etc. and got lung cancer. They later paid those who had lung cancer each $150,000. My dad didn't get lung cancer so he didn't get any money. We did notice that most of the people who did get lung cancer smoked. A slab fell on my cousins Jay Kimball when he was working in one of my dad's mines. He was on leave from the Army during the Viet Nam War. It possibly saved his life since he was injured and was not sent back to the War. Barbara On Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > Patrica > When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", > about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan > County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day > he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for > the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential > day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a > derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health > and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb > and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth > because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. > Dr. Bob Barnes > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining > movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > Thanks. > Pat > > [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > > > Elva > > > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > too.. I > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > his family, > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > pride > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to > be > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > Debbie > > > > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Sadly, I did not know your relatives, I wish that I could say that I did, although very likely my father or grandfather did. We had moved away from Harlan County by the beginning of WW2 and I was at the most six years old. I have been back for to visits, to places where we lived as children, including Lynch, and to Kitts where my mother lived as a child. We also visited my brothers grave in the New York section of Cumberland, where his grave is located. The only names I remember is Lambert who lived downstairs from where we lived. Sorry. Almost every thing is gone in Lynch including the commissary and hospital where my brother was born and died. There is a mining museum with lots of picture and names, I found my my father's annual group photo there. In Lynch there is a train engine in the old town depot. Thanks for writing. Dr. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Dusty Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 2:35:44 PM Subject: [KYHARLAN] Dr. Bob Barnes--coal mining movie statement Bob, My father was also a resident of Harlan Co. - in the early 1930's until he left for WW2. He lived a major portion of that time in the very poor Wallins Creek - but when his mother died from lack of proper medical attention, the kids were taken to High Splint. There was also much talk of a little cabin (on or near?) Black Mountain. My family was the Charles David Smith family - who actually called himself CD SMith. His wife, my grandmother, was Delida Fillippinie Smith. My father was Q.T. Smith I don't suppose you knew of the family? Ms. Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Barnes Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement Patrica When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. Dr. Bob Barnes ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? Thanks. Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > Elva > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy too.. I like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved his family, worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his pride would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to be ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! Debbie ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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My dad had slate fall on him and broke his back working in the mines. We didn't live in the coal camps. Dad would go work and stay there and come home on the weekends. He worked for Island Creek Coal Co. for a while. That is the only one I can remember. After his back healed, he carried the mail on a mule for three years for $3 a day, 6 days a week. He went to Columbus the summer of 1949 and got a job there. The family stayed on Georges Creek until February of 1950 when we all moved to Columbus. (That was 58 years ago! WOW!) Dad held onto the Georges Creek farm, hoping to 'go home' one day. He died in 1965 in Columbus, having never gotten to go home. We buried him on a hill katty-cornered across the road from the farm, with his parents, his grandfather, his two brothers, his uncle and aunt. Life was hard for most of the people from Eastern KY. They were/are a tough lot and they are survivors. Sharon Young Jebavy <>< Former Georges Creek, Lawrence Co., KY Kid 1945-1950

My Miracles and related families moved to Colorado to get out of the coal mines and let their lungs heal. Unfortunately many of them had no other skills so they ended up working in the molybdenum mines which are possibly more dangerous than coal. Many of them died of the same lung diseases. My dad was a uranium miner. Before they found out what radiation did to people many worked without blowing air into the mines etc. and got lung cancer. They later paid those who had lung cancer each $150,000. My dad didn't get lung cancer so he didn't get any money. We did notice that most of the people who did get lung cancer smoked. A slab fell on my cousins Jay Kimball when he was working in one of my dad's mines. He was on leave from the Army during the Viet Nam War. It possibly saved his life since he was injured and was not sent back to the War. Barbara On Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > Patrica > When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", > about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan > County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day > he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for > the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential > day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a > derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health > and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb > and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth > because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. > Dr. Bob Barnes > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining > movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > Thanks. > Pat > > [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > > > Elva > > > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > too.. I > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > his family, > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > pride > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to > be > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > Debbie > > > > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patrica When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. Dr. Bob Barnes ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? Thanks. Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > Elva > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy too.. I like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved his family, worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his pride would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to be ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! Debbie ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Sorry Pat: That was the wrong link. Here is the original email from Elva. I tried this one before I responded so it is the correct one. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: [KYHARLAN] Harlan County USA Movie On Line > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: schoolmama > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14647/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Thanks to Carl Estes, who sent me this fantastic Url. > Harlan County USA.The Movie. > > You can also download it into your favorite Media player. > Click on screen, will make it full screen. > Gives a view into our Harlan, Ky families, working conditions and why they > fought for higher wages and better working conditions.You may see some of > your relatives if they lived in Harlan, during the early 70s.The film is > about the Brookside strike, that gained national attention. > Surnames,Rainey Jones to many to list, the names are in the credits. > This won an accademy award for best documentary. > > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13730.htm > Thanks > Elva > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat: The link is at the bottom of the email. Right under biggest Grammy Award Surprises of all time. I watched part of it the other night. Quite moving. I am planning on watching the entire thing when I get more time. Corinne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrice Theken" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement >I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining >movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > Thanks. > Pat > > [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, >> proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, >> strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. >> >> Elva >> > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > too.. I > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > his family, > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > pride > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to > be > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > Debbie > > > > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? Thanks. Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > Elva > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy too.. I like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved his family, worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his pride would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to be ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! Debbie ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

P.S. Haplogroup X is causing heated debate because it is found exclusively in Europe and North American Indians. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Turner Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family What does the Q3 mean? Barbara On Feb 3, 2008 9:49 PM, John Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a decendant of Lewis Green. You said Haplogroup X. X is 2% of the > populations of Europe, Near East and North Africa, but also it is one of > the > five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It is > only > about 3 % of the Americas but up to 25 % of northeastern North American > Indians..especially the Algonquin peoples, and to a lesser extent the > Sioux. > I just took the Y DNA test for my Freeman line..was I ever surprised!!! > Native American Q3. > > John Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Hapl x if I am not mistaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:20 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Has anyone done any DNA work on the Lewis Green line? > > > > Rene' > > > > I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I > > can > > do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to > do > > the > > something that I can do. > > > > - Helen Keller > > > > > > Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government > and > > business. - Tom Robbins > > > > "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to > > complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun > > > > Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved > > off, > > and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. > > But > > these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't > be > > ugly, > > except to people who don't understand. > > > > - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000 0025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Something else you may find interesting is the J haplogroups found among the Brocks and myself the sister haplogroup to J these two groups were found in an ancient Siberian tribe through dna testing. Although, these two groups are regarded as ancient Eurasian. This information can be found through an article written by the American Journal of Human Genetics. Just a little something something for anyone interested in pondering about dna. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Turner Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family What does the Q3 mean? Barbara On Feb 3, 2008 9:49 PM, John Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a decendant of Lewis Green. You said Haplogroup X. X is 2% of the > populations of Europe, Near East and North Africa, but also it is one of > the > five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It is > only > about 3 % of the Americas but up to 25 % of northeastern North American > Indians..especially the Algonquin peoples, and to a lesser extent the > Sioux. > I just took the Y DNA test for my Freeman line..was I ever surprised!!! > Native American Q3. > > John Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Hapl x if I am not mistaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:20 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Has anyone done any DNA work on the Lewis Green line? > > > > Rene' > > > > I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I > > can > > do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to > do > > the > > something that I can do. > > > > - Helen Keller > > > > > > Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government > and > > business. - Tom Robbins > > > > "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to > > complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun > > > > Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved > > off, > > and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. > > But > > these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't > be > > ugly, > > except to people who don't understand. > > > > - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000 0025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It too is Native American -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Turner Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family What does the Q3 mean? Barbara On Feb 3, 2008 9:49 PM, John Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a decendant of Lewis Green. You said Haplogroup X. X is 2% of the > populations of Europe, Near East and North Africa, but also it is one of > the > five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It is > only > about 3 % of the Americas but up to 25 % of northeastern North American > Indians..especially the Algonquin peoples, and to a lesser extent the > Sioux. > I just took the Y DNA test for my Freeman line..was I ever surprised!!! > Native American Q3. > > John Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Hapl x if I am not mistaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:20 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Has anyone done any DNA work on the Lewis Green line? > > > > Rene' > > > > I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I > > can > > do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to > do > > the > > something that I can do. > > > > - Helen Keller > > > > > > Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government > and > > business. - Tom Robbins > > > > "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to > > complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun > > > > Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved > > off, > > and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. > > But > > these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't > be > > ugly, > > except to people who don't understand. > > > > - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000 0025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ranjac Surnames: Messer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14652/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for an obit .T.B.died 6 Nov 1979 in Harlan Co Ky,parents should be Riley Messer and Susan O'Brien.Any help would be appreciated.Thank You R.Jackson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

What does the Q3 mean? Barbara On Feb 3, 2008 9:49 PM, John Freeman <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a decendant of Lewis Green. You said Haplogroup X. X is 2% of the > populations of Europe, Near East and North Africa, but also it is one of > the > five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It is > only > about 3 % of the Americas but up to 25 % of northeastern North American > Indians..especially the Algonquin peoples, and to a lesser extent the > Sioux. > I just took the Y DNA test for my Freeman line..was I ever surprised!!! > Native American Q3. > > John Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Hapl x if I am not mistaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:20 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family > > > > Has anyone done any DNA work on the Lewis Green line? > > > > Rene' > > > > I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I > > can > > do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to > do > > the > > something that I can do. > > > > - Helen Keller > > > > > > Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government > and > > business. - Tom Robbins > > > > "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to > > complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun > > > > Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved > > off, > > and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. > > But > > these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't > be > > ugly, > > except to people who don't understand. > > > > - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hapl x if I am not mistaken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:20 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [KYHARLAN] DNA of Green family Has anyone done any DNA work on the Lewis Green line? Rene' I am only one, but I am still one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. And because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. - Helen Keller Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business. - Tom Robbins "Tikkun Olam (to heal and repair the world) You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it" Rabbi Tarfun Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don’t matter at all, because once you are Real you can’t be ugly, except to people who don’t understand. - Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit" **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message