RESPONSE: I can see this from available records: SAYLOR, George H. b. 4-23-1942 in Harlan Co., KY; maiden name of mother: Roxie MIRACLE BIRTHS: MIRACLE, Roxie b. 6-11-1926 in Bell Co., KY; maiden name of mother: Nancy HOSKINS MIRACLE, Roxie b. 12-10-1925 in Harlan Co., KY; maiden name of mother: Tobie HIGDON In Bell Co., KY, in the marriage index, there is this marriage: Mar 11, 1911 MIRACLE, James to HOSKINS, Nancy - Book 8, Page 334 NOTE: There are a very large number of James HOSKINS and James with middle initials who married . No way for me to know how long the marriage of Nancy HOSKINS to this James MIRACLE lasted. At least until 1926 since that was the birth of Roxie MIRACLE in Bell Co., KY. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 2/10/2008 8:54:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > My uncle George Saylor had a son, his name was George H. Saylor, born 23 > April 1942, d ?, mother of little George was Roxie (Miracle) Collett, b ?, d > 2 > February 08. Little George had 5 children? 3 boys and 2 girls. 3 boys > names > are Mark, Matthew and ?, and the name of one girl is Patsey. Little George > > H. has 2 brothers, Tommy and Johnny Collett. Just trying to find out this > side of my family. > >

My uncle George Saylor had a son, his name was George H. Saylor, born 23 April 1942, d ?, mother of little George was Roxie (Miracle) Collett, b ?, d 2 February 08. Little George had 5 children? 3 boys and 2 girls. 3 boys names are Mark, Matthew and ?, and the name of one girl is Patsey. Little George H. has 2 brothers, Tommy and Johnny Collett. Just trying to find out this side of my family. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

This Roxie Miracle is the daughter of John A. Miracle born 30 Mar 1891 Cubbage, Bell County, Kentucky died 15 Dec 1966 in Harlan County, Kentucky buried in the Coldiron Cemetery, Coldiron, KY his parents are Lavina Saylor and Unknow Miracle Her mother is Nancy Belle Hoskins born 03 Jun 1892 Bell County, Kentucky died 26 Jan 1960 Harlan County, Kentucky buried in the Coldiron Cemetery, Harlan County, KY Her parents are George Hoskins and Rhoda Miracle. I have the Hoskins back further and the Miracles. I need to find out which Collett and which George Saylor Roxie Miracle married. Barbara On Feb 10, 2008 11:29 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > RESPONSE: > > I can see this from available records: > > SAYLOR, George H. b. 4-23-1942 in Harlan Co., KY; maiden name of mother: > Roxie MIRACLE > > BIRTHS: > MIRACLE, Roxie b. 6-11-1926 in Bell Co., KY; maiden name of mother: Nancy > HOSKINS > > MIRACLE, Roxie b. 12-10-1925 in Harlan Co., KY; maiden name of mother: > Tobie > HIGDON > > In Bell Co., KY, in the marriage index, there is this marriage: > Mar 11, 1911 > MIRACLE, James to HOSKINS, Nancy - Book 8, Page 334 > > NOTE: There are a very large number of James HOSKINS and James with > middle > initials who married . No way for me to know how long the marriage of > Nancy > HOSKINS to this James MIRACLE lasted. At least until 1926 since that was > the > birth of Roxie MIRACLE in Bell Co., KY. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > In a message dated 2/10/2008 8:54:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My uncle George Saylor had a son, his name was George H. Saylor, born 23 > > April 1942, d ?, mother of little George was Roxie (Miracle) Collett, b > ?, d > > 2 > > February 08. Little George had 5 children? 3 boys and 2 girls. 3 boys > > names > > are Mark, Matthew and ?, and the name of one girl is Patsey. Little > George > > > > H. has 2 brothers, Tommy and Johnny Collett. Just trying to find out > this > > side of my family. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have your Miracles way back. Roxie's parents were John A. Miracle and Nancy Belle Hoskins. Roxie was born 11 Jun 1926 in Coldiron, Harlan County, Kentucky. She died 2 Feb 2008 in Ft. Myers, FL Here is her obituary which you probably already have. I don't know which Collett she married. Maybe you can help me out on that. Also which George Saylor is your uncle? I will be glad to send you all of my Miracles. Just e-mail me at [email protected] I have a Saylor file somewhere too, but I am sure I don't have your Uncle in it, but maybe I can connect him to the others in the file. HarlanObits.net Roxie Miracle Collett Visitation Visitation will be held Thursday, February 7, 2008 from 12:00 PM to 1:00 PM in the chapel of Mount Pleasant Funeral Home. Funeral Funeral services will be conducted Thursday, February 7, 2008 at 1:00 PM in the chapel of Mount Pleasant Funeral Home with the Rev, Jack Carmical officiating. Burial Burial will follow in the Coldiron Cemetery of Coldiron, Ky. Family and friends will serve as pallbearers. Survived by Survivors include two children; John Collett & wife Catherine of Michigan, Tommy Collett & wife Deborah of Ft. Myers, FL. Several grandchildren & great grandchildren. Niece; Mary Brock of Corbin, Ky. And nephews and relatives and friends also survive. On Feb 10, 2008 10:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > My uncle George Saylor had a son, his name was George H. Saylor, born 23 > April 1942, d ?, mother of little George was Roxie (Miracle) Collett, b ?, > d 2 > February 08. Little George had 5 children? 3 boys and 2 girls. 3 boys > names > are Mark, Matthew and ?, and the name of one girl is Patsey. Little > George > H. has 2 brothers, Tommy and Johnny Collett. Just trying to find out > this > side of my family. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Seems we are talking about two different Millard Whiteheads. They were Cousins, both grand children of George Washington and Nancy Whitehead. --- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Malinda Fields death certificate/obituary > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Malinda Fields death certificate/obituary > (Gina Ray) > 3. Re: Malinda Fields death certificate/obituary > (Barbara Turner) > 4. Re: Re re: Millard Whitehead, Sarah Saylor > Helton > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Re re: Millard Whitehead, Sarah Saylor > Helton > ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:21:33 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Malinda Fields death > certificate/obituary > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Author: pengelmann48 > Surnames: Fields, Craft > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14646.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Years ago I wrote to a Whitesburg Funeral Home > requesting information concerning Malinda because I > know that funeral home was in existance at the time > Malinda died but I didn't receive a reply. The > family story is that Malinda is buried at the > Sandlick Cemetary in Whitesburg. That may or may not > be due to the fact that Henry, her husband was > buried there in 1950. > I am not familiar with the customs in Kentucky > during that time. Could family members just go to > the cemetary and bury their loved ones? Or would > that typically have been reserved for those buried > in family cemetaries? > I will try to find out about the Harlan funeral > home. > Thanks for your help. > Pat > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to > this list. If you would like to reply to them, > please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:21:36 -0800 (PST) > From: Gina Ray <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Malinda Fields death > certificate/obituary > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I don't know what the laws are but I live in Alabama > and we had my Dad cremated and took him to Harlan > and buried him at his old family cemetery in Kitts. > > Gina > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:16:26 -0600 > From: "Barbara Turner" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Malinda Fields death > certificate/obituary > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In Colorado we have a family cemetery and we just > bury people without asking > anyone. It is free and lots of other people are > buried there too. The > families take care of it. I think it is the same in > Kentucky in the family > cemeteries. I have been noticing on the death > certificates that sometimes > it says buried by family. I couldn't find a death > certificate for Malinda > Fields. There were three, but two were black and > they were not in Harlan > County either. > Barbara > > On Feb 9, 2008 5:21 PM, Gina Ray <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I don't know what the laws are but I live in > Alabama and we had my Dad > > cremated and took him to Harlan and buried him at > his old family cemetery in > > Kitts. > > > > Gina > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all > with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > > now. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:57:39 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Re re: Millard Whitehead, > Sarah Saylor Helton > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Author: kitty1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/6429.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > The GPS coordinates of Millard & Sarah (Helton) > Whitehead's graves are North 36 degrees 53.153 > minutes, West 83 degrees, 26.995 minutes, within 21 > feet. Millard's birth date is incorrect because he > was listed as one year old in the 1860 census. > Millard Whitehead was the son of Andrew Jackson > Whitehead and first wife, Catherine Collett. A.J. > was the son of George Washington "Wadie or Wash" > Whitehead and first wife, Nancy Blanton. G.W. was > the son of William Whitehead and wife, Delilah -?-. > Millard's wife, Sarah Helton, is "thought to be" the > daughter of Mary Jane Saylor and James Helton, who > were never married. Mary Jane Saylor became the > second wife of George Washington Whitehead, > Millard's grandfather. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to > this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kitty1 Surnames: Whitehead, Hall Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/6429.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Millard Whitehead (1885-1966) married Lillie Hall (1891-1922) on Dec. 19, 1910 in Bell Co., KY. He was son of James B. Whitehead and first wife, Amy Ann Gross. James B. was the son of George Washington Whitehead & first wife, Nancy Blanton. G.W. was the son of William Whitehead & wife, Delilah -?-. Lillie Hall was the daughter of William P. Hall & Lovina Mosley. Lovina was the daughter of Samuel Mosley & Sarah Whitehead. Sarah was the daughter of George Washington Whitehead & Nancy Blanton. This Millard had two other marriages, to Arale (misspelled?) Nantz on Sept. 24, 1904, in Leslie Co., KY, and to Mary -?- about 1923. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kitty1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/6429.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The GPS coordinates of Millard & Sarah (Helton) Whitehead's graves are North 36 degrees 53.153 minutes, West 83 degrees, 26.995 minutes, within 21 feet. Millard's birth date is incorrect because he was listed as one year old in the 1860 census. Millard Whitehead was the son of Andrew Jackson Whitehead and first wife, Catherine Collett. A.J. was the son of George Washington "Wadie or Wash" Whitehead and first wife, Nancy Blanton. G.W. was the son of William Whitehead and wife, Delilah -?-. Millard's wife, Sarah Helton, is "thought to be" the daughter of Mary Jane Saylor and James Helton, who were never married. Mary Jane Saylor became the second wife of George Washington Whitehead, Millard's grandfather. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pengelmann48 Surnames: Fields, Craft Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14646.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Years ago I wrote to a Whitesburg Funeral Home requesting information concerning Malinda because I know that funeral home was in existance at the time Malinda died but I didn't receive a reply. The family story is that Malinda is buried at the Sandlick Cemetary in Whitesburg. That may or may not be due to the fact that Henry, her husband was buried there in 1950. I am not familiar with the customs in Kentucky during that time. Could family members just go to the cemetary and bury their loved ones? Or would that typically have been reserved for those buried in family cemetaries? I will try to find out about the Harlan funeral home. Thanks for your help. Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In Colorado we have a family cemetery and we just bury people without asking anyone. It is free and lots of other people are buried there too. The families take care of it. I think it is the same in Kentucky in the family cemeteries. I have been noticing on the death certificates that sometimes it says buried by family. I couldn't find a death certificate for Malinda Fields. There were three, but two were black and they were not in Harlan County either. Barbara On Feb 9, 2008 5:21 PM, Gina Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know what the laws are but I live in Alabama and we had my Dad > cremated and took him to Harlan and buried him at his old family cemetery in > Kitts. > > Gina > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know what the laws are but I live in Alabama and we had my Dad cremated and took him to Harlan and buried him at his old family cemetery in Kitts. Gina --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

How do you get to Sarah and Millard graves from Straight Creek and Peter Branch. I know where to turn off 221 but with all the strip mining I do not know where else to go. Sarah is the daughter of my great grand mother Mary Jane Saylor Whitehead and Millard is the grandson of my great grand father George Washington Whitehead. Lola ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

I know where Wallin Creek is on the map but I have never been there. I unfortunately never knew your family althought they were in Harlan County in the same time period as mine. Dr. Bob! ----- Original Message ---- From: Dusty Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 2:35:44 PM Subject: [KYHARLAN] Dr. Bob Barnes--coal mining movie statement Bob, My father was also a resident of Harlan Co. - in the early 1930's until he left for WW2. He lived a major portion of that time in the very poor Wallins Creek - but when his mother died from lack of proper medical attention, the kids were taken to High Splint. There was also much talk of a little cabin (on or near?) Black Mountain. My family was the Charles David Smith family - who actually called himself CD SMith. His wife, my grandmother, was Delida Fillippinie Smith. My father was Q.T. Smith I don't suppose you knew of the family? Ms. Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Barnes Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement Patrica When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in Harlan County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many day he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes for the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. Providential day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by a derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely health and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a thumb and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the mines. Dr. Bob Barnes ----- Original Message ---- From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? Thanks. Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his children, > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > Elva > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy too.. I like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and moved on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved his family, worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his pride would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have to be ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! Debbie ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ArlissRay Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/6429.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: they would be my great-grandparents, one of their daughters....ollie...is my grandma, my dad's mother. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Allan_Middleton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/6429.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found this burial place today. It is out in the woods with no apparent access located in Peters Branch of Harlan County. There was one other marked stone but was too difficult to read. The name on the marker said "WHITED". Millard 1862-1928, Sarah H 1875-1928. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KandyBackAgee Surnames: Genari, Schmidt Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14654/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON ADELINE SCHMIDT FROM THE COLUMBUS (OH) DISPATCH 2/6/08 Adeline Irene Genari Schmidt, affectionately known to friends and family as Addie, passed away peacefully surrounded by family on January 30, 2008, at Mississippi Baptist Medical Center in Jackson, MS. Adeline was 81 years of age. She was a devoted and loving wife, mother and friend who will be missed by all who knew her. She retired after years of office work for the Arch Diocese of Palm Beach, FL, St. Joan of Arc Church in Boca Raton, FL. She was born on June 3, 1926, to Peter and Rose Genari in Lynch, KY and moved to Columbus, OH in 1928. In 1978 she moved to Boca Raton, FL with her family where she lived until June 2006 until moving to Madison, MS to be with her eldest son and his family. She was preceded in death by her parents, her husband Grover Quinn Schmidt, her brothers Bianco, Joseph, William and sisters Elizabeth and Blanche. She is survived by her brother, John Genari; sons, Anthony Schmidt, Damon Schmidt and Grover Quinn Schmidt; daughter, Deborah White; and gr! andchildren, Anthony Schmidt, Jr., and Catherine Schmidt. Friends may call February 8, 2008 5-8 p.m. at the JOHN QUINT TREBONI FUNERAL HOME, 1177 W. Fifth Avenue. Funeral Mass 10 a.m. February 9, 2008 at the Holy Spirit Catholic Church, 4383 E. Broad Street at Yearling. Rev. Fr. Raymond Larussa, Presider. Burial, Forest Lawn Memorial Gardens. Condolences may be sent via www.johnquint.com "Sign the online guestbook at www.dispatch.com/obituaries" Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Barnes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 6:36:20 AM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement Elva, I'd like to see the old pictures sometime. We'll be in Kingsporrt Tennessee several months the summer. We will only be about 35 mile from Harlan County. Also your Tuner name fascinates me as my Father Ruie Adolphus Barnes was in the Navy and he had a close friend, one Chief Petty Officer named Turner who was stationed with him in Tampa Florida in the late forties and early fifties. Chief Turner often came to our house and dad spoke of him as a relative, either biological or honorary. As we always addressed him as "Chief Turner" I never knew his first name. Could he possible be a common kin? What do you think. Chief Turner was a career person as was my father, so he was likely in his fifties. That would have him born around the turn of the century (1900 - ten years more or less). Blessing on all your work. Dr. Bob! ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:38:54 PM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement My mother had a friend Elsie Green and her dad had black lung disease and he died from it there in Colorado and her mother took all the kids and moved back to Kentucky. I got a lot of old pictures from her last year. Her dad is buried on Glade Park where my grandparents and great-grandparents are buried. The dust in the uranium mines is not quite as bad as the coal dust and they do spray it down with water. The radiation is monitored now and if it is above what it should be they shut the mine down. Coal mining is a lot more dangerous than any other kind of mining except maybe potash. There is a potash mine near Moab, Utah and it is so hot down there that the men can only work for a few hours at a time. On Feb 4, 2008 5:12 PM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > My grandfather, Robert "Bob" Ray, who worked in those Harlan County mines > and others mines in Alabama. He had Miner's Asthma or Black Lung as it now > called and suffered from it until he died. Dr. Bob! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 9:53:15 AM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > My Miracles and related families moved to Colorado to get out of the coal > mines and let their lungs heal. Unfortunately many of them had no other > skills so they ended up working in the molybdenum mines which are possibly > more dangerous than coal. Many of them died of the same lung diseases. > My > dad was a uranium miner. Before they found out what radiation did to > people > many worked without blowing air into the mines etc. and got lung cancer. > They later paid those who had lung cancer each $150,000. My dad didn't > get > lung cancer so he didn't get any money. We did notice that most of the > people who did get lung cancer smoked. A slab fell on my cousins Jay > Kimball when he was working in one of my dad's mines. He was on leave > from > the Army during the Viet Nam War. It possibly saved his life since he was > injured and was not sent back to the War. > Barbara > > On Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Patrica > > When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", > > about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in > Harlan > > County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many > day > > he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes > for > > the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. > Providential > > day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by > a > > derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely > health > > and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a > thumb > > and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth > > because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the > mines. > > Dr. Bob Barnes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > > > I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining > > movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > > Thanks. > > Pat > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > > > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his > children, > > > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > > > > > Elva > > > > > > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > > too.. I > > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and > moved > > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > > his family, > > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > > pride > > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have > to > > be > > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > > ( > > > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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Elva, I'd like to see the old pictures sometime. We'll be in Kingsporrt Tennessee several months the summer. We will only be about 35 mile from Harlan County. Also your Tuner name fascinates me as my Father Ruie Adolphus Barnes was in the Navy and he had a close friend, one Chief Petty Officer named Turner who was stationed with him in Tampa Florida in the late forties and early fifties. Chief Turner often came to our house and dad spoke of him as a relative, either biological or honorary. As we always addressed him as "Chief Turner" I never knew his first name. Could he possible be a common kin? What do you think. Chief Turner was a career person as was my father, so he was likely in his fifties. That would have him born around the turn of the century (1900 - ten years more or less). Blessing on all your work. Dr. Bob! ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:38:54 PM Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement My mother had a friend Elsie Green and her dad had black lung disease and he died from it there in Colorado and her mother took all the kids and moved back to Kentucky. I got a lot of old pictures from her last year. Her dad is buried on Glade Park where my grandparents and great-grandparents are buried. The dust in the uranium mines is not quite as bad as the coal dust and they do spray it down with water. The radiation is monitored now and if it is above what it should be they shut the mine down. Coal mining is a lot more dangerous than any other kind of mining except maybe potash. There is a potash mine near Moab, Utah and it is so hot down there that the men can only work for a few hours at a time. On Feb 4, 2008 5:12 PM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > My grandfather, Robert "Bob" Ray, who worked in those Harlan County mines > and others mines in Alabama. He had Miner's Asthma or Black Lung as it now > called and suffered from it until he died. Dr. Bob! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Turner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 9:53:15 AM > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > My Miracles and related families moved to Colorado to get out of the coal > mines and let their lungs heal. Unfortunately many of them had no other > skills so they ended up working in the molybdenum mines which are possibly > more dangerous than coal. Many of them died of the same lung diseases. > My > dad was a uranium miner. Before they found out what radiation did to > people > many worked without blowing air into the mines etc. and got lung cancer. > They later paid those who had lung cancer each $150,000. My dad didn't > get > lung cancer so he didn't get any money. We did notice that most of the > people who did get lung cancer smoked. A slab fell on my cousins Jay > Kimball when he was working in one of my dad's mines. He was on leave > from > the Army during the Viet Nam War. It possibly saved his life since he was > injured and was not sent back to the War. > Barbara > > On Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Robert Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Patrica > > When the Song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Load 16 Ton and what do you get", > > about coal mining was popular, I asked my father who mined coal in > Harlan > > County if he ever loaded 16 ton in a day. He looked at me an said many > day > > he loaded as much as thirty tons. The miners then had to drill the holes > for > > the dynamite,and load the dynamite to blow the coal to load. > Providential > > day was badly hurt with a broken back, this and other bones when hit by > a > > derailed coal car. I say providentially, he left the mine, completely > health > > and inlisted in the Navy and retired from there. My grandfather lost a > thumb > > and had other injuries. My brother died in the mining hospital at birth > > because of incompetent care. There were certainly many "Sins of the > mines. > > Dr. Bob Barnes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Patrice Theken <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 5:30:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [KYHARLAN] Elva--coal mining movie statement > > > > I did not receive the first emails discussing this topic - coal mining > > movie statement. Can someone give me the name of the movie? > > Thanks. > > Pat > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/3/08 3:01:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > Life was harsh, rugged and the coal miner was a breed that stood tall, > > > proud and held on to his dignity, beliefs and instilled in his > children, > > > strength, courage and love of God. Proud to be a coal miners daughter. > > > > > > Elva > > > > > > > Elva... i just wanted to tell you that reading this brought tears to my > > eyes... my Father talked of the coal mine sin Harlan and my grand daddy > > too.. I > > like you think how fortunate i am that my Dad got his family out and > moved > > on...he did not have an education, could not read or write, but he loved > > his family, > > worked hard until his body no longer would and never took charity..his > > pride > > would not let him..I have not watched the movie yet but I will...I have > to > > be > > ready to watch it mentally...thanks for sharing! > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > > ( > > > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tbnglobal Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14583.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Julie - My husband and I have worked today getting Elijah Charles Noe (s/o Isom Noe and Armania Jane Metcalf Smith Madden Noe Liles). Please e-mail me at [email protected] and we will send you the list of your uncles and aunts, and their births. I will also attach the picture of Anna Harris to you. We are happy to share the information, but it's currently in our Family Tree Maker files. We can e-mail you a relationship file in pdf. format. Thank you. Teresa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janewhitis1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.harlan/14653/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Years ago (June 1998) there were a few paragraphs in the Kentucky Explorer telling that the Farmers in Harlan County were related to the Pulaski County Farmers. This was a narrative by Felix Gilbert Farmer of Clay Co., KY from May 5, 1898. He stated he was born in Harlan Co., KY, on August 22, 1836; his father was William Farmer, who was born in 1796 in what is now Hancock Co., TN. William's father Stephen moved the family to what is now Harlan Co. in 1797. Felix said Stephen's brother, whom he believed to be Eli Farmer, went to Pulaski Co. In about 1888, Felix had gone to a convention in London, KY, and met an Eli and Stephen Farmer, along with their father, from Pulaski Co. Felix stated, "We then found that we were of the same family: Stephen Farmer ,Betsey Ledford, William, Lewis, James, David and John." I have both a Pulaski Co. Eli and Stephen in my Farmer line, but cannot connect them to these Harlan Co. Farmers. If anyone can help me on this, I would appreciate it. My first Farmer in Pulaski Co., to my knowledge, was Joseph Farmer, who married Sarah Baker. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.