Mike I hate to add confusion to this whole thing, but somewhere along the line we are getting some important dates confused, or names (hardly surprising with this line). In William McMahon's Recollections book, which I think most of you have a copy of, he states on page 20, third paragraph half way down, "Thus I learned that my grandfather, James Harris, and two brothers, Stephen and Mayhew (the latter my father was named after) were old revolutionary or colonial soldiers..." Also in the genealogy that Clifford Culver sent me, in January of 2004, he has listed my ggggrandfather, John Mayhew Harris, born 1807, married to Elizabeth Stone in 1849. However, I don't think the marriage date is right, and I know a few months ago that someone, I think you or Larry, e-mailed their actual marriage date on the list. I'm ready to shoot myself for not keeping track of everything well and for putting Clifford's work to the side for so long that I forgot about it. I'm afraid I have confused us all, and I do apologize, but I know that my ggggrandfather was indeed John Mayhew Harris. What is really bizarre is that Sandi sent me yesterday a record of who, from the Harris clan, was renting from Samuel Mize, in Davis county Iowa, at the time my gggrandfather states in his book he was there and his family staying at the rental of Mr. Mize. This is how it reads: John A. Harris 45 Ky b. abt 1805 Isabelle Harris 44 Ky b. abt 1806 John M. Harris 14 KY b. abt 1836 James H. Harris 10 KY b. abt 1840 Martha Harris 7 KY b. abt 1843 William Harris 5 KY b. abt 1845 Mary Harris 3 KY b. abt 1847 Ezra Harris 1 IA b. abt 1850 What makes no sense here is the names of the upper four people. The John A. Harris has the approximate birthdate of my ggggrandfather John Mayhew Harris, but I've not seen his name before or that of Isabelle Harris, plus the John M. Harris listed shows him to be more likely a brother of my William M. Harris listed above (the M. is missing in his middle name.) I know that has to be my William because, as Sandi pointed out, he has a sister named Mary listed and a brother named Ezra listed. I don't know where John M, James, or Martha Harris, referred to above, belong in my ggggrandfathers family. I've not read of their names as siblings to him anywhere before and I know his father was named John Mayhew Harris and his mother was likely Elizabeth Stone. She had been married previously and had a son named John Stone. So, I am relooking through everything again. I would ask everyone to turn to page 28 and 29 of William McMahon's Book of Recollections, to see if you recognize the different James and Samuels as that of any of your ancestors. Well I know this is all very difficult to unravel my fellow cousins, but somehow, we are all related one way or the other. I think we really need to find our most common ancestor and work down from there. Julie