Hi Folks My Gr grandfather was Henry Cyprian French born on Aug 6 1850 and married Anna Justine Wise ,daughter of David E Wise on May 4 1872 in St John Church .Must be some kin??? Larry Crawford Elizabethtown Ky BobcatBob@aol.com wrote: > Teddy, > > Considering the near map I drew for you, it is hard to understand why you > still have no clue as to the location of St John Cemetery. The church is > clearly denoted on every map of Hardin Co, KY I have here at home. And it > clearly shows the little town of St John right next to the church. Even says > cemetery. It covers a bit of ground and really is not that hard to find. > There must be some 500 plus tombstones and I have photographs of at least 100 > of them. The cemetery surrounds an active parish chuch along with a rectory > and an elementary school. Somewhere around here I have a church bulletin and > am sure it says St John, KY but more important than the name of the town it > is located I would think would be the location. Can't go wrong with Hardin > Co, KY. > > >Here's the scoop. My g-g-grandfather was Charles William FRENCH, b > 3/22/1833 >in Hardin County, KY, married Lucinda WISE. My Aunt supplied me > with much > >information in this tree, mostly the direct line. She is reluctant to share > >sources and alot of other interesting stuff. She feels she has put so much > >time, energy and money into her research, she doesn't want to give it away. > > What a charitable attitude! I guess she thinks research is just handed to > the rest of us who share with others. The reason I put 8 generstions of > Alvey reseach on my web page was to help others and to share with others a > lot of the information that had been shared with me. I stopped at 8 only to > avoid any controversy about posting info on living persons which I did not. I > do think that is a very old attitude and probably brought on by the > difficulites when you just used a pencil and had to rewrite everything every > time you shared information with anyone. I don't remember the "good ole days" > before copy machines even at my advanced age. I doubt they will let her past > the Golden Gates with her prized binders of secret French information. I lap > both generations, have done lots of genealogy your Aunts way but am modern > enough to understand the enormous benefits and the pitfalls of todays > electronic age. I get an average of 1o queries a wek from those you browse > the Interent and run across my web page, that would never happen in the > letter writing days. Are you certain that your GG grandfather was Charles > William French who married Lucinda C Wise??. The St John marriage records > list him as Charles H and the baptismal records for many of his children read > Charles Henry French and Lucinda C Wise. > > > By the way, Bob (one of you who responded), I believe I got the burial > >information from either you or Melissa A. I still am confused as to the > >whereabouts of St. Johns. > > All on this list should know I responded to your query since I did not > respond to you directly but to the list so others could be helped as well, a > notion lost on your Aunt. > You did not get the death information from me for I have no clue as to when > Charles Henry French or Lucinda C Wise died or where they are buried. I can > give you very reliable sources for his birth and the baptismal records for > most of his children. Their marriage is recorded in Hardin Co marriage > records and St John marrige records but not having done much research on the > French surname, I have never tried to find the death dates of Charles and > Lucinda. There are a couple of books that have some information on the the > family of Leo French and Mary Ann Bryan as well but I did not see much of > Charles and Lucinda in those either. I only have church death records up to > 1869 but if the church registers are in existence today I am sure the pastor > could find a death record for you and it would include the burial location > especially if your Aunt is right and they are buried in st John. > > It is very possible that Charles Henry is buried in St John's and either has > no tombstone or the tombstone is unreadable which many are not in St John's > due to a very low grade of stone used for a large percentage of the > tombstones. Those buried in St James in E-town seem to have come for a more > afflent background and the tombstones have held up to the weather there. > But Charles and Lucinda are not listed in any St John Cemetery that I have > seen but if your Aunt says so, she must know. The Corbett book also says > that Leo French and his wife are buried there and they are no listed either. > > Bob Alvey > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM

So many responded to my question that I felt it necessary to respond to the list. Here's the scoop. My g-g-grandfather was Charles William FRENCH, b 3/22/1833 in Hardin County, KY, married Lucinda WISE. My Aunt supplied me with much information in this tree, mostly the direct line. She is reluctant to share sources and alot of other interesting stuff. She feels she has put so much time, energy and money into her research, she doesn't want to give it away. Anything I come up with, especially anything off the internet, she dismisses whenever possible. According to her records and research, Charles was buried in St. John's Cemetary, St. Johns KY. Some of you that responded to my plea has Charles buried in St. Johns cemetary, Rineyville, KY. I just want to set the record straight. I have received some new information concerning this line, but Dear Aunt says, if the burial place is incorrect, so is the rest of my research. By the way, Bob (one of you who responded), I believe I got the burial information from either you or Melissa A. I still am confused as to the whereabouts of St. Johns. BobcatBob@aol.com wrote: > I have a couple of hundred documents from St John the Baptist Catholic > Church, baptismal records, marriage applications etc and they all read St > John the Baptist Catholic Church, St John, KY. Looking at a map of Hardin > Co, KY, Both Rineyville and St John are listed as separate communities and > are east a few miles and a bit south of Elizabethtown. Hwy 1600 > (Elizabethtown Road) off of Hwy 31W runs right thru Rineyville. St John is > just a bit south of Rineyville off Hwy 1357 (Grandview Road) Easy to find if > you get a map of the area. Not far away is St Bridget in Vine Grove, St > Ambrose in Cecilia, St Ignatius in Harcourt-White Mills. > > The Church sign today just reads St John Catholic Church and is an active > parish. The church cemetery is is great shape and I have been there often > and there are many Brown, Cecil, French, Riney, Thomas, Thompson, Vessels, > Wiseman, Brangers. > > The description provided for the church and cemetery in Mary Josephine Jones' > book "Hardin Co, KY Cemetery Inscriptions - Vol II" is as follows. "Located > at St John Catholic Church, St John, KY on KY Hwy 1538 about 7/10 miles from > its intersection with KY Hwy 1357; 8 miles from Elizabethtown" > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM

Hello: Does anyone happen to know where Red Mills is/was located. My GGfather, Thomas J. Jeffries, was born there in 1847. I got this information from an original newspaper obituary that I have. He died in Sonora in 1925. Any help would be appreciated. Nancy

Teddy, Considering the near map I drew for you, it is hard to understand why you still have no clue as to the location of St John Cemetery. The church is clearly denoted on every map of Hardin Co, KY I have here at home. And it clearly shows the little town of St John right next to the church. Even says cemetery. It covers a bit of ground and really is not that hard to find. There must be some 500 plus tombstones and I have photographs of at least 100 of them. The cemetery surrounds an active parish chuch along with a rectory and an elementary school. Somewhere around here I have a church bulletin and am sure it says St John, KY but more important than the name of the town it is located I would think would be the location. Can't go wrong with Hardin Co, KY. >Here's the scoop. My g-g-grandfather was Charles William FRENCH, b 3/22/1833 >in Hardin County, KY, married Lucinda WISE. My Aunt supplied me with much >information in this tree, mostly the direct line. She is reluctant to share >sources and alot of other interesting stuff. She feels she has put so much >time, energy and money into her research, she doesn't want to give it away. What a charitable attitude! I guess she thinks research is just handed to the rest of us who share with others. The reason I put 8 generstions of Alvey reseach on my web page was to help others and to share with others a lot of the information that had been shared with me. I stopped at 8 only to avoid any controversy about posting info on living persons which I did not. I do think that is a very old attitude and probably brought on by the difficulites when you just used a pencil and had to rewrite everything every time you shared information with anyone. I don't remember the "good ole days" before copy machines even at my advanced age. I doubt they will let her past the Golden Gates with her prized binders of secret French information. I lap both generations, have done lots of genealogy your Aunts way but am modern enough to understand the enormous benefits and the pitfalls of todays electronic age. I get an average of 1o queries a wek from those you browse the Interent and run across my web page, that would never happen in the letter writing days. Are you certain that your GG grandfather was Charles William French who married Lucinda C Wise??. The St John marriage records list him as Charles H and the baptismal records for many of his children read Charles Henry French and Lucinda C Wise. > By the way, Bob (one of you who responded), I believe I got the burial >information from either you or Melissa A. I still am confused as to the >whereabouts of St. Johns. All on this list should know I responded to your query since I did not respond to you directly but to the list so others could be helped as well, a notion lost on your Aunt. You did not get the death information from me for I have no clue as to when Charles Henry French or Lucinda C Wise died or where they are buried. I can give you very reliable sources for his birth and the baptismal records for most of his children. Their marriage is recorded in Hardin Co marriage records and St John marrige records but not having done much research on the French surname, I have never tried to find the death dates of Charles and Lucinda. There are a couple of books that have some information on the the family of Leo French and Mary Ann Bryan as well but I did not see much of Charles and Lucinda in those either. I only have church death records up to 1869 but if the church registers are in existence today I am sure the pastor could find a death record for you and it would include the burial location especially if your Aunt is right and they are buried in st John. It is very possible that Charles Henry is buried in St John's and either has no tombstone or the tombstone is unreadable which many are not in St John's due to a very low grade of stone used for a large percentage of the tombstones. Those buried in St James in E-town seem to have come for a more afflent background and the tombstones have held up to the weather there. But Charles and Lucinda are not listed in any St John Cemetery that I have seen but if your Aunt says so, she must know. The Corbett book also says that Leo French and his wife are buried there and they are no listed either. Bob Alvey

St Johns is an area of Elizabethtown which used to be "outside" of Elizabethtown. Now the town has grown so much that it is part of the town and no one except "old-timers" may remember that it used to be St Johns. It IS on the way to Rineyville. It seemed quite a distance to me when I was a child.(many long years ago) :o)

There is a St. John's Catholic Church between Rineyville and Elizabethtown that does have a cemetary. The family names you mention are both familiar to this area, so it is possible your relatives are resting there. As it happens, my best friend and her family attend services there and I would be more than happy to find out who might have a plot listing and look thru the cemetary for you. Oh, Your question about if these two are one in the same, I don't know, but don't think so. Warm Regards, Betty Teddy Ronan wrote: > This may sound nitpicky but I need to know where St. John's Cemetary is, > what city. I have FRENCH and VESSELS relations buried in St.John's but > have two cities associated with it. St. John, KY and Rineyville, KY. > My source from the internet says St. Johns Cemetary in Rineyville. But > my aunt has visited the gravesites and has pictures. She says St. Johns > Cemetary is in St. John KY. Are these places the same? -- Warm Reflections http://www.WarmReflections.com Web design to reflect warmly on you.

This may sound nitpicky but I need to know where St. John's Cemetary is, what city. I have FRENCH and VESSELS relations buried in St.John's but have two cities associated with it. St. John, KY and Rineyville, KY. My source from the internet says St. Johns Cemetary in Rineyville. But my aunt has visited the gravesites and has pictures. She says St. Johns Cemetary is in St. John KY. Are these places the same?

I have a couple of hundred documents from St John the Baptist Catholic Church, baptismal records, marriage applications etc and they all read St John the Baptist Catholic Church, St John, KY. Looking at a map of Hardin Co, KY, Both Rineyville and St John are listed as separate communities and are east a few miles and a bit south of Elizabethtown. Hwy 1600 (Elizabethtown Road) off of Hwy 31W runs right thru Rineyville. St John is just a bit south of Rineyville off Hwy 1357 (Grandview Road) Easy to find if you get a map of the area. Not far away is St Bridget in Vine Grove, St Ambrose in Cecilia, St Ignatius in Harcourt-White Mills. The Church sign today just reads St John Catholic Church and is an active parish. The church cemetery is is great shape and I have been there often and there are many Brown, Cecil, French, Riney, Thomas, Thompson, Vessels, Wiseman, Brangers. The description provided for the church and cemetery in Mary Josephine Jones' book "Hardin Co, KY Cemetery Inscriptions - Vol II" is as follows. "Located at St John Catholic Church, St John, KY on KY Hwy 1538 about 7/10 miles from its intersection with KY Hwy 1357; 8 miles from Elizabethtown"

Don't have the marriage date, but you might want to see pages 171 and 172 of "Two Centuries in Elizabethtown and Hardin County, Kentucky 1776 - 1976" by Daniel McClure. There is an interesting family history of the Kirkpatrick-Morrison family. Small paragraph concerning 600 acres in Stephensburg area owned by John Morrison, born 1743 at Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Good luck in your search. KYHARDIN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > KYHARDIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 69 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [KYHARDIN] marriage help please? ["R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.ne] > #2 [KYHARDIN] another marriage date n ["R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.ne] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from KYHARDIN-D, send a message to > > KYHARDIN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the list administrator, send mail to > KYHARDIN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [KYHARDIN] marriage help please? > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:00:28 -0400 > From: "R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.net> > To: KYHARDIN-L@rootsweb.com > > I am trying to get the exact date of marriage for Mary Lee Merrifield, b. abt. 1766, Booths Creek, Marion Co, VA, and James Lawson, b. abt. 1765, Halifax Co, VA. I have that they were married abt. 1791, in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any info. > > Regards...Rob > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [KYHARDIN] another marriage date needed? > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:07:07 -0400 > From: "R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.net> > To: KYHARDIN-L@rootsweb.com > > I need a marriage date for the following individuals that I am sure were married in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any help. > > John Samuel Morrison > b. 30 Jun 1850 in Stephensburg, Hardin Co, KY > d. 18 Oct 1940 in Lafayette, IN > > Jennie Eliza Turner > b. 1852 in Utica, Oneida Co, NY > d. 7 NOv 1928 in Carroll Co, IN > > Regards...Rob

Hardin County, KY was created from Nelson County, KY in 1792. Hardin Co. marriage records start in 1792. KYHARDIN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > KYHARDIN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 69 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [KYHARDIN] marriage help please? ["R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.ne] > #2 [KYHARDIN] another marriage date n ["R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.ne] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from KYHARDIN-D, send a message to > > KYHARDIN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the list administrator, send mail to > KYHARDIN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [KYHARDIN] marriage help please? > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:00:28 -0400 > From: "R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.net> > To: KYHARDIN-L@rootsweb.com > > I am trying to get the exact date of marriage for Mary Lee Merrifield, b. abt. 1766, Booths Creek, Marion Co, VA, and James Lawson, b. abt. 1765, Halifax Co, VA. I have that they were married abt. 1791, in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any info. > > Regards...Rob > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [KYHARDIN] another marriage date needed? > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:07:07 -0400 > From: "R. Elliott" <casi@bellatlantic.net> > To: KYHARDIN-L@rootsweb.com > > I need a marriage date for the following individuals that I am sure were married in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any help. > > John Samuel Morrison > b. 30 Jun 1850 in Stephensburg, Hardin Co, KY > d. 18 Oct 1940 in Lafayette, IN > > Jennie Eliza Turner > b. 1852 in Utica, Oneida Co, NY > d. 7 NOv 1928 in Carroll Co, IN > > Regards...Rob

I need a marriage date for the following individuals that I am sure were married in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any help. John Samuel Morrison b. 30 Jun 1850 in Stephensburg, Hardin Co, KY d. 18 Oct 1940 in Lafayette, IN Jennie Eliza Turner b. 1852 in Utica, Oneida Co, NY d. 7 NOv 1928 in Carroll Co, IN Regards...Rob

I am trying to get the exact date of marriage for Mary Lee Merrifield, b. abt. 1766, Booths Creek, Marion Co, VA, and James Lawson, b. abt. 1765, Halifax Co, VA. I have that they were married abt. 1791, in Hardin Co, KY. Thanks for any info. Regards...Rob

Thought someone researching the Haycrafts of Hardin County might know something about this man's family and could possibly help: >From "The Courier- Journal" newspaper, Louisville, KY, Wed. July 19, 2000: "Hospital Trying to find James HAYCRAFT's relatives": "Norton Suburban Hospital is looking for the next of kin of James HAYCRAFT, 67, of Dosker Manor on Muhammad Ali Boulevard. He died Monday at the hospital. Anyone with information about HAYCRAFT is asked to call Penny White at (502)893-1263."

This is what is available at the Elizabethtown Community College Media Center: Thanks to the News Enterprise, the Media Center now houses the following microfilm collection: The Elizabethtown News from 1889-1967 (some scattered issues are missing, primarily early years) The Hardin County Enterprise from 1926-1973 (some scattered issues are missing) The News Enterprise from 1984-late 1997 The Mirror scattered issues from 1902-1914 One reel of miscellaneous publications Please Understand: This collection is NOT INDEXED!!! More information may be obtained here: http://www.elizabethtowncc.com/eccweb/Resources/Library/scoop.html Warm Regards, Betty -- Warm Reflections http://www.WarmReflections.com Web design to reflect warmly on you.

Hello listers, seeking to fill in the blanks on the following family. Would like actual dates for birth, death and marriage if possible. >From the 1870 Hart County Census ( thanks to Judy Lawler!) Kincaid (KINKADE) John H. 48 Louise E. 37 Martha J. 13 Margaret A. 9 Hiram J.** 6 Louisa J. 3 Nancy D. May Would anyone have an exact birthdate and parents for John? Would also like exact birthdates if possible for Louise and the children, excluding Hiram. Louise was the daughter of Abner Huff, mothers name unknown. I am also seeking information on the first spouse of Hiram J. Kinkade and the children from that marriage. His second wife was Mary Belle Wright. Belle had previously been married to an Ike Scrivener. Children from Hiram J's first marriage may have been, Clayborn, Anna and 2 or three others. Any help greatly appreciated!! Thank you again to Judy Lawler for all her help. Regards Debra Summers

Greetings, I just received my ggrandfather's death certificate. Joseph HAMON(HAMMOND)died Dec. 5, 1928 in Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., Kentucky. Mrs. Hays WOODWARD was the informant on the d.c. My mother gave me a small photo of Roy WOODWARD at age 16 taken about 1932. She thought he might be a relative. I would appreciate any info I can get on this family. Thanks, Jean in California ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I am looking to correspond with anyone with any information on Dory MARLOW, b 1784 in Maryland. I am descended from daughter Ann MARLOW b 1816 m 1836 Wm GRAY. Hardin co Kentucky Sandy Heinrich slwh40@aol.com CHECK OUT MY GENEALOGY SITE http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/i/Sandra-L-Heinrich/index.html

You can go to this site and search for microfilm from any Kentucky county. There is a lot there from hardin County, not a lot of old ones though. It is uk. I have ordered microfilm from them before and it is reasonably priced. I just ordered a couple of Older Hardin County. Good Luck Laura http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/sources/ukfilm.html -- http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html http://www.egroups.com/group/russellcountyfriends A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r W.r.i.g.h.t My biggest brick wall DANIEL FERRY -B-1836 Clairborne County Tenn D-1904-Russell County, Ky married to 1886-White county , Tenn REBECCA WRIGHT-b-abt. 1850 D-1933-Russell County, Ky Who were their parents? mailto:lsllwright@fuse.net

No, that's Elizabethtown Community College (or whatever they call themselves these days). :o) Regards, Betty L3532@aol.com wrote: > Betty..............I take it that ECC means Elizabethtown County Clerk. I > have to call there tomorrow and I'll ask about the film and report back to > the list. Thanks for the tip. > > Regards,Larry

Betty..............I take it that ECC means Elizabethtown County Clerk. I have to call there tomorrow and I'll ask about the film and report back to the list. Thanks for the tip. Regards,Larry