Carolyn, I know I can purchase Hardin County newspaper microfilm, but can I purchase the tax list? Debbie Horine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn Wimp Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARDIN] Tax List Debbie, Tax records gave different info for different years but all included the tax payer, amount of land if any, the water course that it was located on or near. Early years included who originally entered, surveyed and patented the land being taxed, value of land. They would be taxed on livestock,, coaches, carriages, billard tables and retail stores and slaves also. Some would list the number of free males over 21 in the household. In 1795 the free while males 16 and over was put on the tax record. Also the kind of land, 1st rate (cleared land) 2nd rate (cleared with some woods) or 3rd rate (all woods) was listed in the early records. Carolyn Horine, Debbie L wrote: >In regard to the tax lists, what kind of information is available? Does it >include what property is being taxed? Thank you for any help from the >list!! > > > >Debbie Horine > > > > > >==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain >letters, political announcements, current events, items for >sale, personal messages, flames,etc. (in other words - spam) >is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration >for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Hardin Co., KY Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List to [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Tax lists are a wonderful way to track a relative. It lets you know when a person was in a county, if they lived on a watercourse, it will list that, how many acres they owned, their livestock, children, whether they were in the military, all men in that household over 21, and in some tax years, it even lists if they owned a piano. It will also let you know the others with that surname. Sometime, people moved between cenus and they won't show up on a census, but they will on a tax list. They aren't always accurate as to a count of children, but the other info is very interesting. If your county doesn't have a tax list available, you can look in phone book for a Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) and find out if they have that counties tax list on microfilm and reserve it and then when it comes in you can go there and view it! Good luck! Rose Berry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horine, Debbie L" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Tax List > In regard to the tax lists, what kind of information is available? Does it > include what property is being taxed? Thank you for any help from the > list!! > > > > Debbie Horine > > > > ______________________________

Don't forget, if your ancestors were in the Hardin Co. area before 1790, look in the Nelson Co., KY, minute books which listed head of household males within a certain militia district which were eligible to serve in the militia. I think the militia age requirement was 16 years during the 1787-1790 time period. Can someone on the list confirm that the militia age was 16? If there was another male in the household who could serve in the militia, their names were not given but the list indicated that there was another male in the household over age 16. For example, the name of Bladen Ashbey appears in the 1787 Nelson Co. KY minute book in the "Pottinger-Bear" district with the number "2" after his name. That's how I understand the minute books. Can someone on the list give a better description of the contents of the minute books or expand upon what I have said? I hope I got it correct. Helen Graves

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Debbie, Tax records gave different info for different years but all included the tax payer, amount of land if any, the water course that it was located on or near. Early years included who originally entered, surveyed and patented the land being taxed, value of land. They would be taxed on livestock,, coaches, carriages, billard tables and retail stores and slaves also. Some would list the number of free males over 21 in the household. In 1795 the free while males 16 and over was put on the tax record. Also the kind of land, 1st rate (cleared land) 2nd rate (cleared with some woods) or 3rd rate (all woods) was listed in the early records. Carolyn Horine, Debbie L wrote: >In regard to the tax lists, what kind of information is available? Does it >include what property is being taxed? Thank you for any help from the >list!! > > > >Debbie Horine > > > > > >==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain >letters, political announcements, current events, items for >sale, personal messages, flames,etc. (in other words - spam) >is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration >for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Helen, According to Two Centuries in Elizabethtown and Hardin Co., Ky., by Daniel McClure: "There were three Jacob VanMeters living n the Severn's Valley community at the one time, the elder, Jacob (Sr.), his son, Jacob, Jr. and Jacob VanMeter, the son of Henry VanMeter, the elder brother of elder VanMeter's brother. To relieve the confusion, the elder VanMete(Sr.)r was called "Valley Creek Jake" and his nephew, "Miller Jake," both men operating mills in the Valley." Carolyn Helen Graves wrote: >Can someone clarify who the parents were of Jacob "Miller Jake" Van Meter who settled in Severn's Valley, Hardin Co., KY. > >I have seen the history books that explain he was the nephew of Jacob "Valley Creek Jake" Van Meter. But now I have run into conflicting information about who "Miller Jake"'s parents were. > >One source says "Miller Jake" was the son of 'Valley Creek" Jake's brother Henry Van Meter. (Then more confusion as some dispute that that Henry was Valley Creek Jake's brother.) > >Another source says "Miller Jake" was the son of John VanMeter of Berkely Co., VA. > >1. Who were the parents of "Miller Jake" Van Meter? > >2. Did "Valley Creek Jake" have a brother Henry Van Meter who married a Martha? > >Please cite your sources so I know if we are looking at the same sources or if you have a different source than I do. > >Many thanks, >Helen Graves > > >==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the Hardin Co., KY Mailing List, send only the word >UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest >List to [email protected] > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

Hardin Co. Wills Will Book A 80 - Vanmetre, Jacob - will, 11 Nov 1798 Wife Letty Vanmetre. Sons: Jacob Vanmetre, John Vanmetre, Isaac Vanmetre, Son Abrahams Vanmetre's heirs: Catherine Vanmetre, Sarah Vanmetre, Letty Vanmetre, Elizabeth Vanmetre. Daughter Peggy Vanmetre. Mentions "children as has not received their legacy before my death." Executors; sons Jacob & Isaac; son-in-law Samuel Haycraft. Witness Rob't Mosely, Chris. Jackson, Moley Ann Flood. Recorded July Term, 1799. I don't have any thing with nicknames you used and without dates I hope this is who you wanted. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [KYHARDIN] "Miller Jake" VanMeter, Hardin Co., KY > Can someone clarify who the parents were of Jacob "Miller Jake" Van Meter > who settled in Severn's Valley, Hardin Co., KY. > > I have seen the history books that explain he was the nephew of Jacob > "Valley Creek Jake" Van Meter. But now I have run into conflicting > information about who "Miller Jake"'s parents were. > > One source says "Miller Jake" was the son of 'Valley Creek" Jake's > brother Henry Van Meter. (Then more confusion as some dispute that that > Henry was Valley Creek Jake's brother.) > > Another source says "Miller Jake" was the son of John VanMeter of Berkely > Co., VA. > > 1. Who were the parents of "Miller Jake" Van Meter? > > 2. Did "Valley Creek Jake" have a brother Henry Van Meter who married a > Martha? > > Please cite your sources so I know if we are looking at the same sources > or if you have a different source than I do. > > Many thanks, > Helen Graves > > > ==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Hardin Co., KY Mailing List, send only > the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest > List to [email protected] > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Can someone clarify who the parents were of Jacob "Miller Jake" Van Meter who settled in Severn's Valley, Hardin Co., KY. I have seen the history books that explain he was the nephew of Jacob "Valley Creek Jake" Van Meter. But now I have run into conflicting information about who "Miller Jake"'s parents were. One source says "Miller Jake" was the son of 'Valley Creek" Jake's brother Henry Van Meter. (Then more confusion as some dispute that that Henry was Valley Creek Jake's brother.) Another source says "Miller Jake" was the son of John VanMeter of Berkely Co., VA. 1. Who were the parents of "Miller Jake" Van Meter? 2. Did "Valley Creek Jake" have a brother Henry Van Meter who married a Martha? Please cite your sources so I know if we are looking at the same sources or if you have a different source than I do. Many thanks, Helen Graves

Abraham VanMeter was wounded by Indians and died in 1781 near Elizabethtown (Hardin Co., KY). His widow Elizabeth (Kline) VanMeter married Samuel Goodin some time between 1781-1791. 1. Does anyone have the date of the Samuel Goodin and widow Elizabeth VanMeter marriage? It would probably be under Nelson Co., KY marriages. 2. When did Elizabeth (Kline, VanMeter) Goodin die? Does someone have her death date and place? Samuel Goodin died in 1807 and his widow Elizabeth was one of the purchasers of items in his estate, so she much have died after he did. Many thanks, Helen Graves

In regard to the tax lists, what kind of information is available? Does it include what property is being taxed? Thank you for any help from the list!! Debbie Horine

"Newspaper Abstracts Hardin County, Kentucky 1829-1893" compiled by Carolyn Wimp. Friday, May 10, 1889 Mr. S. Perkins of Va., is the manager of the steam rock crusher at Stephensburg which employs about 40 people. (Elizabethtown News) Friday, January 23, 1891 Mrs. R. W. Perkins of Stephensburg had a baby girl on the 23rd. (Elizabethtown News) Friday, March 13, 1891 Ida Douglas, daughter of R. W. & Carrie Perkins, was born in Stephensburg on December 23, 1890 and died of whooping cough on March 8, 1891. (Elizabethtown News) Friday April 10, 1891 Mrs. Jeff J. Hayburn of Elizabethtown visited her sister, Mrs. R. W. Perkins of Stephensburg. (Elizabethtown News) "Hardin County, Kentucky Newspaper Abstracts April 1895 - December 1901" by Carolyn Wimp. Friday, October 16, 1896 At Stanford on Oct 8, Mrs. Mary Jane Helm, nee Logan, mother of Rev. Benj. Helm, died. Was of Scotch-Irish an- cestry, who settled in Salem in the valley of Va., whence her grandfather, John Logan and wife, nee McClure, mi- grated to Ky. and settled on Logans Creek, about 2 miles below Sanford. Two of John Logan's daughters married Paxtons, of this county. Her father Wm Logan and wife, Sallie Perkins, settled in Barren Co, where he was many years clerk of the Court. On Sept 11, 1838, she married Henry B. Helm of Elizabethtown, where she lived over 40 years. After his death, she made her home with her only surviving child, Rev. Ben Helm. The remains were brought to Elizabethtown. Funeral services at the Christian Church and burial in the family burial ground at Helm Place. May 13, 1898 Mrs. R. W. Perkins of Grand Rivers, Va., visited her sister, Mrs. J. J. Hayburn of Hardin Co. Friday, November 17, 1899 T. Holman Perkins of Hart Co., President of Farmer's Deposit Bank of Horse Cave, died of heart failure at his home near Three Springs on Friday. Was 67 years old. Friday, January 26, 1900 Arch Marcum & Miss Sherman Perkins, both of Green Co., were married at Jones store yesterday by Rev. W. H. Brengle. "Hardin County, Kentucky Newspaper Abstracts 1902 to 1904" by Carolyn Wimp. Friday, August 1, 1902 Mrs. Wm Hodges of Alexandria, In., visited her sister, Mrs. Tom Perkins of Upton. Friday, June 3, 1904 Mrs. R. W. Perkins of Okland, Va., visited her sister, Mrs. Jeff Morrison. "Hardin County, Kentucky Newspaper Abstracts 1905 to 1907" by Carolyn Wimp. Friday, April 28, 1905 John Perkins & Miss Rebecca Jane Devers were married this week in the Roanoke area. Friday, September 29, 1905 Bernard Clayton & Miss Bertha Perkins were married at Upton last Thursday. Miss Bertha Perkins & Bernard Clayton were married last Thursday at the bride's home. Bride is the oldest daughter of Mr & Mrs T. Perkins. The groom is from Louisville where they will reside. (Upton News) Friday, March 22, 1907 Mrs. L. J. Perkins of Upton visited her sister, Mrs. Roy Bulton of Bonnieville. Tuesday, May 28, 1907 Mrs. Bernard Clayton and daughter, Hazel of Louisville, visited her parents, Mr & Mrs Thomas Perkins of Upton. Tuesday, June 11, 1907 Miss Mary Murray of Elmer visited her sister, Mrs. E. G. Perkins of Upton. Tuesday, July 30, 1907 Clyde, the 18-month old son of Mr & Mrs John Perkins, died in Louisville on Saturday. Burial at Union Christian Church in LaRue Co. on Sunday. Tuesday, August 27, 1907 George W. Devers died Friday at his home 8 miles east of Elizabethtown. Was a carpenter by trade and was about 55 or 60 years old. Member of Christian Church. Survived by wife, Mrs. Bettie Devers, and 4 children, Harl Devers and Mrs. John Perkins of Louisville, George Devers of Hardin Co. and Charles Dever of Lyons Station. Burial at Union Church Ce- metery in LaRue Co. Tuesday, October 19, 1907 Mrs. Thomas Perkins of Upton had a son born recently. Friday, December 20, 1907 Mrs. Anna Bolton of Bonnieville visited her sister, Mrs. Lige Perkins of Upton. Tuesday, December 24, 1907 Marriage licenses issued in LaRue Co: Elihu Sanders & Miss Sarah Belle Perkins.

Jude, Not a lot for Perkins in Hardin County. Sending what I can find. "Hardin County, Kentucky Marriages 1851 to 1875" compiled by Carolyn Wimp. Oct 23, 1865-- William H. Perkins/Miss Magdaline Snyder, married Oct 25 at Robert Snider's, man of age, lady's age proven by her uncle, Robert Snyder, wit. Miss Lucretia Rich- ardson, Benet M. Snyder. "Hardin County, Kentucky Wills 1793 - 1866" compiled by Mary Josephine Jones. Will Book E 97 - Granger, Ralph - Will, 20 May 1843. Wife Catharine Van Ness Granger of Painesville, Ohio. Brothers Francis Granger, John Albert Granger, of Can- andaugua, New York. Witness Addison Hills, William L. PERKINS. Recorded Lake County, Ohio, 17 Feb 1845; Hart Co., Ky. 10 March 1845; Hardin Co., Ky., 21 Mar 1845. "Hardin County, Kentucky Cemetery Inscriptions" by Judy Nacke. Vine Grove Cemetery Wm Leslie Perkins (Coach) Feb 9, 1900 - Apr 3, 1948 Upton Cemetery Nell Perkins Bennett, w/o Roscoe 1901 - 1932 Thomas M. Perkins 1862 - 1936 Mary E. Perkins, w/o Thomas M. 1865 - 1930 Sonora Town Cemetery Timothy Lee Perkins, s/o M/M Ronald b&d July 16, 1958 "Elizabethtown City Cemetery Directory" by James Allison Jones and Mary Josephine Jones. Section M Lot 353 Ida Perkins, d/o R. W. & C. Perkins 1890 - 1891. [Note: Arnolds and Hayburns also buried in this lot] "Passing Generations 1885 - 1903" by Carolyn Wimp. [NOTE: abstracts of deaths that were found in THE LARUE COUNTY HERALD newspaper; found on four rolls of micro- film at the LaRue Co. Library in Hodgenville, Ky. The news- paper not only covered LaRue Co. but surrounding or nearby counties as well] Thursday, August 30, 1888 Harrison Perkins of near Summerville in Green Co., died on the 20th. Thursday, October 18, 1888 Steve Perkins from near Brushy in Taylor Co., died last week. Thursday, December 27, 1888 Mrs. Mary A. Perkins and William Houston, age 17 years old, the son of Joel Houston, both died in a train wreck on Monday. Thursday, January 3, 1889 The remains of Mrs. Mary A. Perkins and Willie Houston were buried in Old Skaggs burial ground on December 25. Thursday, June 19, 1890 Jesse DeSpain was shot and killed by James Ellet Perkins after a fight near the LaRue-Taylor Co. line. Leaves wife and 6 small chil- dren. Thursday, June 15, 1893 The infant child of Mr & Mrs John Perkins of Summerville died on the 6th. Thursday, March 12, 1896 Henly Perkins died March 6 of typhoid fever. He would have been 63 years old on March 7. Was born in Washington Co. Moved to Green Co. early in life. After the war, he settled in Hart Co. in 1890. Married twice and leaves a wife, 4 sons and 3 daughters. Burial in Providence on the 7th. Thursday, March 26, 1896 A child of William Perkins died last week of whooping cough. Burial in Pleasant Ridge Cemetery. Thursday, June 4, 1896 The remains of Mrs. Alice Perkins, wife of William Perkins of Buffalo, were buried here in Jones Cemetery on June 2. Thursday, June 11, 1896 Mrs. Lou Alice Perkins died June 7 at the home of her parents of con- sumption. Was the wife of William Perkins and the daughter of Whit Akin of near Mt. Tabor. Was 30 years old. Married in 1881. Leaves husband, 2 children, boy age 12 and a girl age 4. Burial in Jones Cem- etery in Green Co. Was the granddaughter of Rev. Moses Akin. Thursday, July 16, 1896 In memory of Alice Perkins, wife of William Perkins, who died May 31, 1896. Thursday, December 17, 1896 William Perkins died at his home in Horse Cave on Sunday of heart trouble. Thursday, April 17, 1902 On April 10, Mattie Belle Perkins, daughter of William & Fannie Perkins, died at the age of 22 years. Burial in Popular Grove Church Cemetery. Miss Mattie Perkins, daughter of William Perkins of Otter, died last Thursday. Burial in Popular Grove Methodist Church Cemetery in Tay- lor Co. Leaves parents, 3 brothers, 1 sister: George Perkins of Ill., Robert, Ben and Miss Nancy. Was 21 years old when she died of con- sumption. 1860 Hardin County, Ky Census Pg 31 July 5, 1860 230 V. P. Armstrong 36m merchant 3000 b Dist Columbia Martha J. 34f b Ky Wm O. 14m b Ky Laura 13f b Ky Perkins, M. D. 15f b Ky

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CATES/JOHNSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2AB.2ACI/5017 Message Board Post: My CATES Family line. My Grandfather Marion Francis Cates b. Dec. 22, 1891 d. Jan. 15, 1969, married to Nancy Ella Griffin b. 1803 d. 1933 g-grandparents.. Francis Marion Cates b.aug.04, 1861 d. july 09, 1935, married to Martha M. Davis b. sept. 01, 1866 d. dec. 10, 1893 Moses Cates b.1839 d. ? married Harriet Watkins b. 1841 Johnson Cates b. oct. 17, 1805 in Ky.d. oct. 27, 1827 in Illionis married elizabeth watkins b. 1810 in Ky Robert D. Cates b. 1780 NC married Nancy Johnson b. dec.30, 1783 in Va, married in Posey Co., Ky- Nancy Parents names were Arthur Johnson b. aug. 07, 1757 in Va d. oct. 16, 1839 Lucy Harmon b. jan. 01, 1759 in Va. d. aug. 19, 1840 we know Robert D. Cates was in Ky in 1805 Robert D. Cates & Nancy Johnson had 5 children all born in KY. Robert Cates b. abt 1807 in Ky Johnson Cates b. oct. 17, 1805 in KY. Ephraim E. Cates b. 1810 in KY. unknown Cates b. 1811 in KY Mary West (Mollie) Cates b. oct. 05 1814 any and all info on this CATES line would be appreciated. Thanks, Millie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2AB.2ACI/5014.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry I found nothing on the William's.

Thanks! Carol I will try! Thomas Peters died in 1558 apparently. Carol

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Priscilla, Mary Dorsey born KY 1803/4 married William Harris 1824 in Hardin Co. I am looking for family. I would appreciate any family ideas, no rush. Thank you, Dottie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYHARDIN] Re: Have Book will do look ups...PERKINS Jude, Will see what I can find for Perkins this evening. Priscilla ==== KYHARDIN Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames,etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: morrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2AB.2ACI/5015.1 Message Board Post: Looks like his parents are Joel A. Morrison b: Dec. 15 1805 and Cynthia Robinson b:abt 1800 Kentucky. Go to the Rootsweb home page and type Barton Morrison in the Rootsweb search box on the top left side of the page. It will bring up eveything with Barton Morrison that they have. Click on the world connect. He is the first one list by a Jeff Buchanan. I find a Samuel Haycraft Morrison married into my Gilliland family. His first wife was Sarah Gilliland then he married her sister after she died -Mary Jane Gilliland in Hardin County. This probably goes back to the same Morrison family but not your line that you are looking for. Becca

Jude, Will see what I can find for Perkins this evening. Priscilla

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2AB.2ACI/5014.2 Message Board Post: We are at a loss regarding an ancestor. Her name was Ellen Thomas and she married Joseph David Riney (son of Basil Riney). We are looking for any information about Ellen Thomas and her ancestors. She was born 28 May 1816 in Rolling Fork, KY. Thank you for any information you may have. My grandmother (God rest her soul) would have loved to have been around for genealogical research on the Internet. If we could help solve this mystery about Ellen Thomas, I know she would be dancing around in Heaven!!!