This was forward by "Jean Dalrymple" to another list that I belong to and thought that the list might enjoy it!! >The following is paraphrased from the National >Genealogical Society's "American Genealogy: A Basic Course": >In-Laws: terms like father-in-law, mother-in-law, etc. had the same meaning >as they do today, which is a kinship by marriage. However, they may also >have had different meanings. Father-in-law could refer to a step-father, >son-in-law to a stepchild, etc. >Cousin: The term "cousin" was once used generally to indicate almost ANY >DEGREE OF RELATIONSHIP BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE OUTSIDE THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY. >VERY EARLY IN AMERICAN HISTORY THE TERM WAS USED TO REFER TO NEPHEW OR >NIECE. When you see the word cousin used in early records, you will need to >do more research to clarify the relationship between the two people. >Nephew: The terms nephew and niece were not in common use in the colonies >until before the mid-eighteenth century (i.e. 1750's). The term cousin was >used to denote this relationship. In rare instances, the term "nephew" was >used to mean grandson or granddaughter because the word comes from the >Latin term for "grandson" or "nepos." During this early period, "nephew" >was used for males and females. >Brother: This term was used very generally and in addition to its obvious >meaning, could denote a brother-in-law, a husband of a sister-in-law, a >half-brother, a stepbrother, or even a colleague within the church. >"My now wife." This term is sometimes found in a will and may, as is >often assumed, indicate the testator had a former wife, but this is not >necessarily so unless he is referring to children by a first wife and >children by his current or "now" wife. When the term is used WITHOUT >reference to children, it more usually means the testator intends the >bequest for his current wife and not any subsequent he may have. >Senior and Junior: Terms to denote two men with the same in the same >community, regardless of any relationship. This could be father and son, >Uncle and nephew, or two men not related at all. Upon the death of the >"Senior" the junior could be dropped or if another, younger person had the >same name, Junior became Senior, etc. >Natural Son or Natural Daughter: indicates a blood relationship as >distinguished from a relationship by marriage or adoption. Sometimes it >could denote an illegitimate child, though it was more common to refer >to such as "my base son" or "my bastard son". In some instances, "my >natural child" may indicate children by a first wife as opposed to >children >by a current wife. > >Aliases: This term could mean one of several things. An orphan may have >used his stepfather's surname in addition to his own. A married man may >have taken the surname of his wealthy father-in-law. One son in a family >may have taken his mother's maiden name, especially when inheriting property >from her family. One branch of the family may have used an alias to >distinguish it from other branches in the area where the name was common. A >person may have used an alias to distinguish himself from several uncles and >cousins with the same name. This problem was not unusual in large families >before the use of middle names adopted. In some cases, an alias indicated >illegitimacy. Because of all the possible reasons for the use of an alias, >do not assume the reason until you have done further research. >Given Names: Although you cannot count on it, it was common for the two >eldest sons to be named for their grandfathers and two eldest daughters to >be named for their grandmothers. Don't be confused by finding two children >with the same given name in the same family. The name of a deceased child >may have been given to a subsequent child. IN GERMAN ANCESTRY it was common >for ALL sons to have the first name Johann and all daughters to have the >first name Anna or Maria. The children were known by their second names. > Betty Lou Riley In Southern OH, USA List Owner for: OHAdams-L, KYGreenu-L, KYLewis-L, and McGovney-L Instructions at: <http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html> CC:/CCA:KY Greenup Co. CCA:KY Lewis Co. Boards Admin.for Adams Co.,OH

I am looking for information on Thomas Reginald Moore b 9/9/1898 in Ky. he married Mate Ellis Maynard. His parents were Jordan Moore & Sophia Webb. He had a sister Carmon Elizabeth Moore she married Edward LeCompte. Do you have any of these names. Check out my webpages to see if you recognize any of them. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/2551/">Marlene Robinson's Genealogy</A> <A HREF="http://www.my-ged.com/robinson/">Robinson Genealogy</A> Any information will be appreciated. Marlene

I am researching the Dummitt family also. I go to college and right now I am quite busy, but I would like to exchange information. It may take me a little bit to respond, but I will. I am looking forward to hearing from anyone researching Dummitt. I also research Royal and Hagerman. Deanna Jones -----Original Message----- From: Kybubala@aol.com <Kybubala@aol.com> To: KYGREENU-L@rootsweb.com <KYGREENU-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 9:26 PM Subject: [KYGREENU-L] Re: KYGREENU-D Digest V99 #58/Dummitt >Patrick Worthington, I tried to email you and it was returned. George Dummitt >and Eliza Scott had a dtr,Eliza Jane,who married Jesse Cooper. They had a son, >George Washington Cooper,who was my grandfather. I would love to share our >family info. I am researching my >family(Cooper,McCleese,Sparks,Dummitt,Patton,Moore) in Greenup,Lewis,Carter >and Mason Counties. Please email me.JudyMcCleese,Naples,Fl (kybubala@aol.com) > > >==== KYGREENU Mailing List ==== >Help Instructions at: http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html >or contact Betty at: chipmunk@zoomnet.net >Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=KYGreenu >Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible!! >Rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

Patrick Worthington, I tried to email you and it was returned. George Dummitt and Eliza Scott had a dtr,Eliza Jane,who married Jesse Cooper. They had a son, George Washington Cooper,who was my grandfather. I would love to share our family info. I am researching my family(Cooper,McCleese,Sparks,Dummitt,Patton,Moore) in Greenup,Lewis,Carter and Mason Counties. Please email me.JudyMcCleese,Naples,Fl (kybubala@aol.com)

Please add name of Clyde Trippett. I believe he practiced medicine in south shore in greenup co. around 1940-41. Any information would be appreciated. Cleta Sparks Sparks@Marshallonline.com

In a message dated 03/06/1999 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, MOKYD@aol.com writes: << Could you ask your mom if she ever heard of a John Wesley Cooper from Alcorn? Also a William, Thomas or Moses Cooper. I really appreciate it. >> Ed, could you give me some dates on these men? My mom is 65 but she has eight siblings who are older than she, when I ask, I'll need to give them an idea of age in relation to themselves. Sherry

According to Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia: - a term which originallyreferred to ANYTHING of GERMAN derivation, thus High Dutch signified theHigh German language, and Low Dutch the Low German.In modern usage, however, the term Dutch may be CORRECTLY applied ONLY tothe peoples and the language of the Netherlands. The phrase "PennsylvaniaDutch" referring to the speech and origin of the inhabitants of certainsections of Pennsylvania, dates from the time when DUTCH SIGNIFIED GERMAN.The War of Spanish Succession, 1704-1714 fought by Austria, England, theNetherlands and Prussia - against France and Spain, arose over disputesover the succession to the throne of Spain on the death of Charles II ofSpain.Spanish soldiers married Dutch (Holland) girls, and their children, whosecoloring was olive, with black hair were called "Black Dutch". TheirHolland neighbors were fair skinned and blond. This explanation seems tohave come down in several of your families who claim "Black Dutch" descent.Another reported that the WILHITES who were imported to VA by Gov.SPOTTSWOOD was part of the Germana Colony of Iron workers were "BlackDutch." They came from Alsace-Lorraine, an area of contention betweenFrance and Germany. They had black hair, "china blue to purplish blueeyes", fair skin, and tall. "The Black Forest" was mentioned as theirhome.No doubt some of the German-speaking immigrants to the colonies WEREdescendants of some of the darker races.How we may have warped the meaning of "Black Dutch" becomes apparent inboth a newspaper article and a letter. At a time when it was notfashionable to have Indian blook, here is what might happen:"It used to be that if you had Indian blood in you and someone asked youwhat you were, you'd say 'Black dutch' but now more and more of our peopleare coming out," said Morning Star, wife of Chief Neal McCormick, chief ofthe Eastern Creek Indian Nation.Another writer, descendant of a Creek Chief, wrote "the term Black Dutch isused to refer to one that has Indian Blood, and most particularly withCREEK INDIAN BLOOD. Although there were a few German/Swiss in the CreekNation, they were in the minority. The term actually does not refer orhave any connection to this nationality. The Creeks preferred the Scotch,English or Irish in that order as far as marriage was concerned. There isno explanation as to why they preferred the Scotch." So you see the termused to distinguish and describe progeny of Hollander-Spanish marriages,was later the disquise used by Indian white descendants to cover their redheritage.We must hope that our "enlightened age" will see a renewed value placed onheritage, be it from red-white-or black.Originally printed in FAMILY PUZZLERS - Mary Bondurant Warren, Editor July22, 1976, No. 457. >In a message dated 03/04/1999 3:37:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Bfgriffith@aol.com writes: > ><< always heard that they BLACK DUTCH that is why they were so black. My >mother was very dark skinned. Her name was BERTHA BOWLING married my father >EMORY SKAGGS i think in GREENUP >> > >Betty, have you tried the Melungeon List? I think they will have some people >who can help you with your Black Dutch questions. I haven't been on the list >in a long time but I'm sure they could help. Subscribe to >Melungeon-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Sherry Campbell > > >==== KYGREENU Mailing List ==== >Help Instructions at: http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html >or contact Betty at: chipmunk@zoomnet.net >Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=KYGreenu >Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible!! >Rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi All, I just wanted to pass along to all those who are on AOL.COM, Cyndi Howell, who does Cyndi's Internet Web Sites (http://www.cyndislist.com) will be speaking in the Genealogy Forum. Those who have access to AOL can go to keyword and type ROOTS, which will take them to the Genealogy Forum, once there they need to click on the Feature button for Cyndi Howell at the time of the event. Which will be Sunday March 7th at 9pm EST. Heather W. Bowers Lawrohio@aol.com CC for Lawrence Co., OH http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohlawren/index.htm

Sherry, You wrote: Ed, I don't know about the spelling, I thought it was Alcorn but I don't think I've ever seen it in print (my mom pronounces it Allcorn though) -- but it is right outside of Greenup. I can't say much more than that but I replied because I have never heard anyone EVER mention it besides my mom and her siblings. They all grew up there. Every year the area has a celebration called "Allcorn(?) Days". I think it's like a "Founder's Day" or a community reunion type celebration. I've been trying to get my mom to go for years just so I could see it. I know there are a bunch of Sizemore cousins still in the area. Sherry Campbell Sherry, I found your response interesting as I to have the Sizemore name in my research. It comes from my grand mothers side though, not the Coopers. She was a Blevins, Her family came from Ashe County, N.C. and were related through "Old Ned Sizemore". Could you ask your mom if she ever heard of a John Wesley Cooper from Alcorn? Also a William, Thomas or Moses Cooper. I really appreciate it. Ed Cooper

Sorry, I did not mean to post my reply to Patrick onto the list. Shirley

pworthington@averittexpress.com wrote: > > Hello All: > > I was wondering if anyine was researching the Dummitt family of Greenup and > Lewis cos. KY? > > I would like to correspond with anyone who seaching for the ancestors or > descendants of George Dummitt, b. 21 Oct. 1799, KY, d. 5 Oct. 1862, Lewis > co., KY. > He married firstly, 5 Oct 1820 in Greenup co. - Elizabeth Moore, who died > before 1838. > He married secondly, 19 Nov. 1838 in Lewis co. - Eliza Jane Scott, b. 17 > Oct. 1817, d. 7 Aug. 1894. > > Thanks! > > Patrick Worthington > Lexington, KY > > pworthington@averittexpress.com > > ==== KYGREENU Mailing List ==== > Help Instructions at: http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html > or contact Betty at: chipmunk@zoomnet.net > Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=KYGreenu > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible!! > Rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ Hi, Patrick! I am sending you what I have on Dummitt. I am in the process of writing a Zorn family history book (along with Jane Zornes-Burrows and Pat Kratz). This line was submitted to us and is all I have on the Dummitt family. Since my Zorn line only connects with Dummitt through marriage of pretty distant cousins, I am not doing any research. However, you have given me some much appreciated dates. Do you also descend from the Zorns line? I am most anxious to here from you about this. I do have desendants of Henry Dummitt who married Nancy Ann Zorns, John Dummitt who married Rebecca Zornes and "Cota" Dummitt who married John Zornes. I am interested in what you have also. Shirley Ramos George Dummitt married: 1) Elizabeth Moore; 2) Eliza Jane Scott. Children of George Dummitt and Elizabeth Moore [This line was submitted without dates or places.] Ch.1. Nancy Ann Dummitt married Nicholas Moore. 2. Catherine Dummitt married John Stillwell. 3. Sarah Ann Dummitt married Daniel Henry Brightman. 4. Henry I. Dummitt married Nancy Ann Zornes. (see Part VI) 5. John Dummitt married Rebecca Jane Zornes. (see Part VI) 6. Courtney "Cota" M. Dummitt married John Zornes. (see Part XVIII) Children of George Dummitt and Eliza Jane Scott. 7. George W. Dummitt married Rebecca Cooper Sartin, widow, daughter of Samuel and Margaret (Smith) Cooper. Ch.A. Cynthia Dummitt married Lewis O. Hinton. B. Mary E. Dummitt married Joseph Stone. C. George H. Dummitt married Rosa E. Buckner. D. Edward Thomas Dummitt married Dora Buckner. 8. William Thomas Dummitt married Armilda Bloomfield, daughter of Henry and Catherine (Eulett/Dummitt?) Bloomfield. Ch.A. Eliza C. Dummitt married George W. Pierce. B. Clarence M. Dummitt married: 1) Mintie B. McGlone; 2) Melvina Adams. C. Cota M. Dummitt married Henry B. Bloomfield. D. Alicia Dummitt E. Thomas H. Dummitt married Mrs. Margaret Bloomfield. F. Mary E. Dummitt married James Mason Horsley. 9. Aaron Sanders Dummitt married Serepta Ann Staggs, daughter of Josiah W. and Mary (Yewlett) Staggs. Ch.A. James Leroy Dummitt married Amie Lenora Bates. B. Sarah Matilda Dummitt C. Lilly J. Dummitt D. George W. Dummitt married Sallie Green. E. Cornelius A. Dummitt fought in the Spanish-American War. F. William S. Dummitt married Sarah E. Swim. G. Sarah E. Dummitt married George M. Bailey. H. Lena (Mary E. ?) Dummitt married Rowland T. Crawford. 10. Eliza Jane Dummitt married Jesse A. Cooper. Ch.A. Sanford J. Cooper married Delpha Clark. B. Ulysses S. Grant Cooper C. Calvin V. Cooper married Louisa Snyder. D. Wyatt Cooper G. Crissie Cooper E. James M. Cooper H. Rebecca A. Cooper F. George W. Cooper 11. Julia (Joliet?) E. Dummitt married James Marion Dummitt.

In a message dated 03/05/1999 4:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, MOKYD@aol.com writes: << Does anyone know where any of the following places are located? AllCorn >> Ed, I don't know about the spelling, I thought it was Alcorn but I don't think I've ever seen it in print (my mom pronounces it Allcorn though) -- but it is right outside of Greenup. I can't say much more than that but I replied because I have never heard anyone EVER mention it besides my mom and her siblings. They all grew up there. Every year the area has a celebration called "Allcorn(?) Days". I think it's like a "Founder's Day" or a community reunion type celebration. I've been trying to get my mom to go for years just so I could see it. I know there are a bunch of Sizemore cousins still in the area. Sherry Campbell

In a message dated 03/04/1999 3:37:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bfgriffith@aol.com writes: << always heard that they BLACK DUTCH that is why they were so black. My mother was very dark skinned. Her name was BERTHA BOWLING married my father EMORY SKAGGS i think in GREENUP >> Betty, have you tried the Melungeon List? I think they will have some people who can help you with your Black Dutch questions. I haven't been on the list in a long time but I'm sure they could help. Subscribe to Melungeon-L-request@rootsweb.com Sherry Campbell

Hello All: I was wondering if anyine was researching the Dummitt family of Greenup and Lewis cos. KY? I would like to correspond with anyone who seaching for the ancestors or descendants of George Dummitt, b. 21 Oct. 1799, KY, d. 5 Oct. 1862, Lewis co., KY. He married firstly, 5 Oct 1820 in Greenup co. - Elizabeth Moore, who died before 1838. He married secondly, 19 Nov. 1838 in Lewis co. - Eliza Jane Scott, b. 17 Oct. 1817, d. 7 Aug. 1894. Thanks! Patrick Worthington Lexington, KY pworthington@averittexpress.com

Hi Ed, I think that South Shore was at one time named Fullerton and the Masonic llodge there is still Fullerton. Peg ---------- > From: MOKYD@aol.com > To: KYGREENU-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYGREENU-L] C&O Railroad, Hoods, Tongs and Allcorn > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 4:08 AM > > Hi, > Does anyone know where any of the following places are located? AllCorn > , Hoods, Tongs. > ...Also Does any one know when they started building the Railroad going > through Greenup County? My Grandfather William Cooper worked for the C & O > Railroad for 40 years. He is listed on his Marriage and Death Certificates as > being born in Greenup County. On his son's birth Certificate he is listed as > being born in "Hoods" Ky. > His son is listed as being born in "Tongs" and Greenup County. > Where Hoods and Tongs part of what is today called North and South Shore? I > know that William and his brother Tom Cooper bought land side by side in > Limeville Hollow. Some of the family still lives there. > Thanks everyone. > Ed Cooper > > > ==== KYGREENU Mailing List ==== > Help Instructions at: http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html > or contact Betty at: chipmunk@zoomnet.net > Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=KYGreenu > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible!! > Rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi, Does anyone know where any of the following places are located? AllCorn , Hoods, Tongs. ...Also Does any one know when they started building the Railroad going through Greenup County? My Grandfather William Cooper worked for the C & O Railroad for 40 years. He is listed on his Marriage and Death Certificates as being born in Greenup County. On his son's birth Certificate he is listed as being born in "Hoods" Ky. His son is listed as being born in "Tongs" and Greenup County. Where Hoods and Tongs part of what is today called North and South Shore? I know that William and his brother Tom Cooper bought land side by side in Limeville Hollow. Some of the family still lives there. Thanks everyone. Ed Cooper

Betty, Black Dutch is another name for Melungeons who were white people with very dark compexions....they have a very interestng history, and were discriminated against. Bowling/Bolling is a common Melungeon name. Helen..

I just read the Hanner name today. It said," In 1976 ARNOLD HANNER produced "Ashland Past, A Pictorial History"......this was a reference on the Boyd Co. (KY) site. Helen.

Loretta, My grandmother Hulda Branham was the daughter of Jonathan Branham and Polly Gilliam. I don't have much on the Gilliams but lots on the Branhams. All that aside, are you the Loretta Gillum who made that long walk up Central Avenue, on that frigid night fifty years ago along with me, Ted osborne and Darlene Brown? Charlie Urban

Hello! I am looking for Joyce CHAPMAN . carol milners@snowcrest.net ---------- > From: Brenjo2@aol.com > To: KYGREENU-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYGREENU-L] 1850 Census of Greenup County, Ky > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:25 PM > > What Chapmans are you looking for? I'm related to Chapmans in Greenup. > > Brenda > > > ==== KYGREENU Mailing List ==== > Help Instructions at: http://www.zoomnet.net/~chipmunk/SurnamesMail.html > or contact Betty at: chipmunk@zoomnet.net > Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=KYGreenu > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible!! > Rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >