Correct me if I am wrong, but Vital Statistics films for the late 1700's and early 1800's do not exist. If so, someone has fabricated such records. Again, correct me if in error. When Vital Stats were mandated on and off for several years beginning 1852-1859 and again 1874-1878 for Garrard Co., they were far from accurate in many cases. Bill and Kathy Vockery pretty well explains the difficulty when they researched by film and original records. They added to their completed publication a hand written note by Geo. A. Brown, Assesser G. C. in 1854: "In Consequence of Midwives and doctors living in adjacent Counties practicing in Different Counties, and Midwives not returning Certificates, the ignorance of many Citizens and the neglect of Masters, to record their Slaves births and Deaths Our Registry is bound to be more or less imperfect." Not to say that this has happened in Garrard Co., but I am aware of it occuring in another county. Whenever, the parents are not decided on a name for their new born, the responsible party would leave the new birth as "unnamed", but in a few cases, the Doctor would simple add his name to the child, and the true name would later appear in the records! Although there is, for example, a James Baker in the early Tax Lists, it does not reveal family names. Also the early census has a james Baker, but again no wife or others named. Unless the names are mentioned in Deeds or other court actions, it is hard to really identify the Bakers, for example. Mrs. Gioe left a lot to wonder about. I'll not say she purposely omitted her sources, but one wonders about embellishment and unintential combining of different counties' data. GRT > Vital statistics films? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of E Kaspar > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:04 PM > To: M. A. Farrell; kygarrar@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > Looking for a miracle! > > The late Joan Colbert Gioe of "The Researchers" in Indianapolis, put > out dozens of booklets listing Kentucky vital statistics. Alas, none > cited any sources. The booklets listed data by county; several focused > on data from Garrard County. > > For ten years or so I have been searching for her sources for the many > births listed to my great4grandparents, James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker > in the late 1700s and early 1800s in Garrard Co. Librarians at The > Kentucky History Center (They report many similar requests regarding her > sources), the state archives and The Filson Society in Louisville all > are stumped. Together we have searched in vain. Also I have put repeated > queries in the journal of The Kentucky Genealogy Society and the > Garrard Co. Historical Society Newsletter. I sought help from the KY. > expert at the library in Salt Lake City as well. > > I have been offering $75 to anyone who can produce her original sources > for these Baker data. The offer still stands. > > In this particular Garrard booklet, her list contains several hundred > births and marriages; therefore she must have found a sizable book of > data. Her husband has no idea where she found the material though he > reports that she spent most of her research time in Frankfort. > > I continue to hope that someone will stumble on her original sources. > Somewhere they have to exist! > > E. A. Kaspar > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

GT wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but Vital Statistics films for the late 1700's and > early 1800's do not exist. If so, someone has fabricated such records. > Again, correct me if in error. > *No,* the stats Gioe quotes are true; I already have located 4-5 of the births, so know her data are accurate. Also she has the spouses named correctly for many of my relatives who lived then along with later births to them. This makes the situation all the more puzzling. WHERE did she find all of these? There must be a long and early Garrard list somewhere. Kathy Vockery is puzzled too. EAK > When Vital Stats were mandated on and off for several years beginning > 1852-1859 and again 1874-1878 for Garrard Co., they were far from accurate > in many cases. > Bill and Kathy Vockery pretty well explains the difficulty when they > researched by film and original records. They added to their completed > publication a hand written note by Geo. A. Brown, Assesser G. C. in 1854: > "In Consequence of Midwives and doctors living in adjacent Counties > practicing in Different Counties, and Midwives not returning Certificates, > the ignorance of many Citizens and the neglect of Masters, to record their > Slaves births and Deaths Our Registry is bound to be more or less > imperfect." > > Not to say that this has happened in Garrard Co., but I am aware of it > occuring in another county. Whenever, the parents are not decided on a name > for their new born, the responsible party would leave the new birth as > "unnamed", but in a few cases, the Doctor would simple add his name to the > child, and the true name would later appear in the records! > > Although there is, for example, a James Baker in the early Tax Lists, it > does not reveal family names. Also the early census has a james Baker, but > again no wife or others named. > > Unless the names are mentioned in Deeds or other court actions, it is hard > to really identify the Bakers, for example. > > Mrs. Gioe left a lot to wonder about. I'll not say she purposely omitted > her sources, but one wonders about embellishment and unintential combining > of different counties' data. > GRT > > >> Vital statistics films? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of E Kaspar >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:04 PM >> To: M. A. Farrell; kygarrar@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> Looking for a miracle! >> >> The late Joan Colbert Gioe of "The Researchers" in Indianapolis, put >> out dozens of booklets listing Kentucky vital statistics. Alas, none >> cited any sources. The booklets listed data by county; several focused >> on data from Garrard County. >> >> For ten years or so I have been searching for her sources for the many >> births listed to my great4grandparents, James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker >> in the late 1700s and early 1800s in Garrard Co. Librarians at The >> Kentucky History Center (They report many similar requests regarding her >> sources), the state archives and The Filson Society in Louisville all >> are stumped. Together we have searched in vain. Also I have put repeated >> queries in the journal of The Kentucky Genealogy Society and the >> Garrard Co. Historical Society Newsletter. I sought help from the KY. >> expert at the library in Salt Lake City as well. >> >> I have been offering $75 to anyone who can produce her original sources >> for these Baker data. The offer still stands. >> >> In this particular Garrard booklet, her list contains several hundred >> births and marriages; therefore she must have found a sizable book of >> data. Her husband has no idea where she found the material though he >> reports that she spent most of her research time in Frankfort. >> >> I continue to hope that someone will stumble on her original sources. >> Somewhere they have to exist! >> >> E. A. Kaspar >> >> >> >