Thanks Mary Alice. When the words "Vital statistics films?" was used it through me as that is a term only used officially in later years and probably not used in very early records. Thus my response, yet counted "No". Yes any data is a stat, as are marriage, divorce, birth, and death records. Whether they were named Vital Statistics before the mandating of such, is beyond me to say. Either way, when there is no source, perhaps seeking reassurance via further backup is the best measure. Perhaps this was just an unfortunate coining of a few words. GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county > courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, > patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the > genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not > farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have > been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local > LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives > in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s > and 50s. > > I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before > copied by the County Clerks into the record books. > > Genealogy has moved leaps and bounds beyond reading the old books > published by so-called researchers.... Hope you will discover this > wonderful world of research!! Mary Alice > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > > >> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the >> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local >> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives >> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s >> and 50s. >> >> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > HUH??? Why would you assume that? > >> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >> Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker". Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." Somewhere she found these data! Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology.

OK, here's a thought. I Googled * "Elizabeth Fuqua" Baker * and got many hits, including quite a number of Dr. Kaspar's <G>. But I also found things like this: "VGSQ...Series XXV Vol 4 [1987] 18th Century Charlotte County Children Martin Baker, guardian to Elizabeth Fuqua, orphan of William Fuqua, produced receipt of James Baker who has intermarried with Elizabeth. 5 Aug 1782" from an e-mail to the Fuqua list: From: PACJ1945@aol.com Subject: [FUQUA] VA Genealogical Society Quarterly - Fuqua entries Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:38:20 EDT Is it possible that Gioe was incorporating information from such sources as the Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly into her booklets? >From what I read, this appears to be Elizabeth Kaspar's "Elizabeth and James", and perhaps the VGSQs are in Frankfort (and I'm sure they are) so Gioe did some of her research reading through them. Thus the "potpourri." Or, perhaps she actually subscribed to VGSQ? Or, visited the Library of Virginia? That would account for "Virginia related" data, perhaps other things will account for the rest. Perhaps someone could do a study to correlate the information from the pamphlets to other known compilations. Pat (in Tucson) -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Kaspar Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:22 AM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > > >> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the >> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local >> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives >> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s >> and 50s. >> >> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > HUH??? Why would you assume that? > >> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >> Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker". Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." Somewhere she found these data! Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message