----- Original Message ----- From: <wcolyer@cinci.rr.com> To: "Kypulask@Rootsweb. Com" <kypulask@rootsweb.com>; "Kygarrar@Rootsweb. Com" <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: [KYGARRAR] Cole Younger and jesse James > I found this in my old E-Mails and remembered that someone asked about it not to long ago. > > I was told I was 5 from Jesse. He didn't say who the 5 were. > > Wesley Colyer > > > > I must have missed the earlier info on a Cole Younger/Garrard County > > relation. However I am interested in the subject. I would like to note that "Doc" > > Hezekiah Evans the feudist married Nancy Cole, related fairly closely to Zerulda > > Cole, mother of Jesse James. Cole Younger rode with Jesse. A story in my family > > says Hezekiah's grandson, also named Hezekiah, knew Cole Younger. When the > > younger Hezekiah lived in Oklahoma's no-man's land, Cole visited him and had > > dinner either on the way to his hideout in the Black Mesa from a bank robbery, or > > on the way to a bank robbery. I wonder what kind of other connections are > > there. > > Bob Evans > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mary Alice Thank you for this very educational piece! I learned a lot here. Pat (in Tucson) -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M. A. Farrell Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:41 PM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data

Donal, the books, wills, deeds and others are quite large and very heavy, 3 to abt 4 inches thick. Gerald Tudor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Thank you Pat. Those books must be rather large. And true as we don't know > how many came and how many stayed. > And Lancaster is where they lived. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > >> Don >> >> The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. There >> is >> a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" >> sold >> land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is >> also >> great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books >> are >> alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and find >> land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom >> they >> sold it. >> >> I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster >> would >> be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage >> bonds, >> some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and >> much more. >> >> I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the >> rest >> of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul >> up >> to get them copied. >> >> Pat (in Tucson) >> >> PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they >> didn't >> still hold land in Garrard! <G> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM >> To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for >> the >> county between 1800 and 1900. >> >> My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. >> >> What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of >> information? >> >> Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) >> >> PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 >> 6:39 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dr. Kasper, You note that Gioe gives her booklet title as "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." The Potpourri must come from other than Garrard Co. relative to the date 1796. Garrard Co. was created on 17 Dec. 1776, but did not have a government until the first county and court organization was completed on 5 Jun. 1797. It naturally took some time for further organization. Gerald Tudor Some Wills written in Madison, Lincoln or Mercer on a date prior to the establishment of the court were probated in Garrard Co. Marriages however remained in the county where bond and/or return was made, thus some marriages of children of James and Elizabeth Baker could be in adjacent. Can you reveal any names that one might search far? Gerald Tudor ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Kaspar" <E-Kaspar@wiu.edu> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> >> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> >> >>> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >>> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >>> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean >>> the >>> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >>> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >>> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my >>> local >>> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library >>> Archives >>> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the >>> 1940s >>> and 50s. >>> >>> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? >> HUH??? Why would you assume that? >> >>> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >>> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >>> > Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I > spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, > not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania > College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the > library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL > Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said > that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report > having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. > expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. > > Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, > births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with > dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources > the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, > I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly > for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua > Baker". > > Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County > Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." > > Somewhere she found these data! > > Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar > Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Excuse me for butting in! I must second the motion that Mary just made in her last paragraph. The title of the place mislead me on my first visit to Frankfort. If I saw correctly, the Library section is on the left, and the Kentucky ARCHIVES is to the right when you enter the building. There seems to be a tremendous amount of Garrard County information! In the index I found just a few (families I was looking for) listings in the court records, but they had great evidence contained in those boxes. A pristine folded cloth banner for a land sale. Hand written receipts and promissory notes, no telling who is going to show up! A lawsuit between two brothers over their mother who had become senile, and the best one was a copy of a survey from 1887 when 3 sisters inherited their grandmothers land next to Mt. Olivet Methodist Church at Buena Vista. Like the ad goes.... priceless Henry Wheeler Muskogee, Oklahoma _____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/CAaCX093x3alq47MJyqAG5MWYTO0qBeq/

Good thing they are indexed. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "GT" <g2door@mindspring.com> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Donal, the books, wills, deeds and others are quite large and very heavy, > 3 > to abt 4 inches thick. > Gerald Tudor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > >> Thank you Pat. Those books must be rather large. And true as we don't >> know >> how many came and how many stayed. >> And Lancaster is where they lived. >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> >> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> >>> Don >>> >>> The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. >>> There >>> is >>> a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" >>> sold >>> land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is >>> also >>> great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books >>> are >>> alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and >>> find >>> land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom >>> they >>> sold it. >>> >>> I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster >>> would >>> be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage >>> bonds, >>> some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and >>> much more. >>> >>> I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the >>> rest >>> of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul >>> up >>> to get them copied. >>> >>> Pat (in Tucson) >>> >>> PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they >>> didn't >>> still hold land in Garrard! <G> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM >>> To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >>> >>> For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for >>> the >>> county between 1800 and 1900. >>> >>> My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. >>> >>> What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of >>> information? >>> >>> Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) >>> >>> PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: >>> 6/12/2007 >>> 6:39 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 > 6:39 AM > >

Thanks pat. I'll have to get from A to B. That will be fun. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Don > > Yes and no. The books themselves are ledger size, however, as I recall > they > go by, perhaps years or decades, so they are split up some way and not so > thick. > > Maybe Gerald Tudor is monitoring this and will give us a better > description. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:33 PM > To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > Thank you Pat. Those books must be rather large. And true as we don't know > how many came and how many stayed. > And Lancaster is where they lived. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > >> Don >> >> The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. There >> is >> a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" >> sold >> land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is >> also >> great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books >> are >> alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and find >> land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom >> they >> sold it. >> >> I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster >> would >> be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage >> bonds, >> some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and >> much more. >> >> I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the >> rest >> of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul >> up >> to get them copied. >> >> Pat (in Tucson) >> >> PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they >> didn't >> still hold land in Garrard! <G> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM >> To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for >> the >> county between 1800 and 1900. >> >> My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. >> >> What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of >> information? >> >> Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) >> >> PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 >> 6:39 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 > 6:39 AM > >

Gerald, just got home and looking at my daily mail; you said some Lincoln Co wills were recorded elsewhere before courts were established in Lincoln? Is that what you meant? I have found that wills were re-recorded in counties created out of Lincoln, in later years and when mention was made of land lying in the newer-created county. I have the filmed Lincoln Co Will Books and Deeds starting 1781 (do you want me to look for an early one?). It was a huge area, until Mercer and Madison were created and started their own courts in 1786. I have those will books, too. I think I told you of the first deed in Lincoln Co Deed Bk 1, which was the agreement between the surviving Kennedy sons and their father, and my Mary Anderson Kennedy, widow of John, giving her all that land on Silver Creek, which her second husband Samuel Campbell obtained thru their marriage. Elizabeth, I need to know your source for saying Garrard Co was created in 1776; will you give that to all of us, please? I have the Fincastle Co court books which begin 1773 and covering all the area (and people living in that wilderness) that was to be Kentucky; then Montgomery Co was created to cover the same area (Kentucky District), and about 1778 Kentucky County created (hardly any records survive; Jilson published a Bibliography of Kentucky Co and it is very interesting to see what he could never find); Lincoln, Fayette and Jefferson were created in 1780 and the beginning of their various courts of jurisdiction started 1781. Many old records for Fayette were lost, but there are many for earliest Lincoln Co. It is hard for me to think you have read deeds, probates, land records and county court books, and not found tons of genealogical information!! This is not information extracted by some old so-called genealogist who is trying to sell books. I have found inform! ation recorded in very old county and state documents, not turned up by others in 150 years of searching!! This is the only "truth", as far as I am concerned, but each of us has a specific research goal. Just today, I found a family group mentioned in a deed I need to investigate further - one heir's undivided moiety in land left to children (named) of their deceased father, Irvine Jones deceased. This tract was on waters of Calloway Creek. Gerald, since this deed was recorded 30 Sep 1828, and there had been court action for a couple of years before that, the father Irvine Jones had been dead for a while. I am still looking for connections to the old William Jones who married the widow Margaret Buchanan Drake. Now I know to go to the will of Irvine Jones to see what I can find there. Donal, I believe the easiest way to read these county records - deeds, probate, courts, etc, if by ordering the filmed originals from the local LDS (Mormon) Family History Centers, from their big library in Salt Lake. I have been using their great resources for many years now, since I prefer and am required to find primary source proof documents for family connections. I say required, because I approve and locate documents for an lineage organization. The cost of ordering these reels of film is very small - now $5.50 - but you are seeing the actual deeds, wills, surveys, land entries, courts, etc, hand-written records. I go to KY universities and Archives frequently to research, but my daily work is from reading these civil documents. You can find an LDS Center near you at www.familysearch.org and you have no need to be concerned about having to discuss religion with them; I am not a member of their religion, and have made many friends in the Family History Centers through the years. If you need any other information about films, please mail me personally. Some of the Central KY courthouses are good places to research, and some are definitely not good places to research. When you get to KY, go to the KY Department of Library Archives in Frankfort - they have all the records for all the counties - even before KY officially became a state in 1792. Lots of good stuff there under one roof. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

The earliest KY records are in VA since KY was 'Kentucky Co., VA.' -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GT Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:25 AM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data Dr. Kasper, You note that Gioe gives her booklet title as "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." The Potpourri must come from other than Garrard Co. relative to the date 1796. Garrard Co. was created on 17 Dec. 1776, but did not have a government until the first county and court organization was completed on 5 Jun. 1797. It naturally took some time for further organization. Gerald Tudor Some Wills written in Madison, Lincoln or Mercer on a date prior to the establishment of the court were probated in Garrard Co. Marriages however remained in the county where bond and/or return was made, thus some marriages of children of James and Elizabeth Baker could be in adjacent. Can you reveal any names that one might search far? Gerald Tudor ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Kaspar" <E-Kaspar@wiu.edu> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> >> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data >> >> >> >>> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >>> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >>> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean >>> the >>> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >>> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >>> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my >>> local >>> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library >>> Archives >>> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the >>> 1940s >>> and 50s. >>> >>> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? >> HUH??? Why would you assume that? >> >>> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >>> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >>> > Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I > spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, > not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania > College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the > library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL > Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said > that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report > having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. > expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. > > Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, > births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with > dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources > the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, > I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly > for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua > Baker". > > Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County > Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." > > Somewhere she found these data! > > Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar > Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don Yes and no. The books themselves are ledger size, however, as I recall they go by, perhaps years or decades, so they are split up some way and not so thick. Maybe Gerald Tudor is monitoring this and will give us a better description. Pat -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:33 PM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data Thank you Pat. Those books must be rather large. And true as we don't know how many came and how many stayed. And Lancaster is where they lived. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Don > > The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. There > is > a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" sold > land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is > also > great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books > are > alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and find > land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom > they > sold it. > > I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster > would > be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage > bonds, > some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and > much more. > > I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the rest > of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul up > to get them copied. > > Pat (in Tucson) > > PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they > didn't > still hold land in Garrard! <G> > > -----Original Message----- > From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM > To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for the > county between 1800 and 1900. > > My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. > > What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of > information? > > Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) > > PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 > 6:39 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > > >> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the >> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local >> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives >> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s >> and 50s. >> >> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > HUH??? Why would you assume that? > >> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >> Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker". Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." Somewhere she found these data! Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology.

Thank you Pat. Those books must be rather large. And true as we don't know how many came and how many stayed. And Lancaster is where they lived. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Don > > The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. There > is > a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" sold > land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is > also > great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books > are > alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and find > land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom > they > sold it. > > I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster > would > be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage > bonds, > some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and > much more. > > I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the rest > of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul up > to get them copied. > > Pat (in Tucson) > > PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they > didn't > still hold land in Garrard! <G> > > -----Original Message----- > From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM > To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for the > county between 1800 and 1900. > > My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. > > What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of > information? > > Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) > > PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 > 6:39 AM > >

Don The county courthouse has some very nice registers of land records. There is a "Grantee" book and a "Grantor" book, which means that the "Grantor" sold land to the "Grantee" and the names will appear in both books. This is also great for land being sold off or traded about after a death. The books are alphabetical. So, you could look up "Pruitt" in the Grantee book and find land anyone of them bought, then go to the Grantor book and see to whom they sold it. I don't know if anyone has transcribed these, but a trip to Lancaster would be well worth your time. While there, you can view original marriage bonds, some of the original land records for the above mentioned registers, and much more. I always take a camera, lights, and an extension cord, along with the rest of my "kit" as some of these are in the basement and it is quite a haul up to get them copied. Pat (in Tucson) PS: Just because they were in Gainesville by 1900, doesn't mean they didn't still hold land in Garrard! <G> -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donal O'Kelly Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:34 AM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for the county between 1800 and 1900. My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of information? Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX

OK, here's a thought. I Googled * "Elizabeth Fuqua" Baker * and got many hits, including quite a number of Dr. Kaspar's <G>. But I also found things like this: "VGSQ...Series XXV Vol 4 [1987] 18th Century Charlotte County Children Martin Baker, guardian to Elizabeth Fuqua, orphan of William Fuqua, produced receipt of James Baker who has intermarried with Elizabeth. 5 Aug 1782" from an e-mail to the Fuqua list: From: PACJ1945@aol.com Subject: [FUQUA] VA Genealogical Society Quarterly - Fuqua entries Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:38:20 EDT Is it possible that Gioe was incorporating information from such sources as the Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly into her booklets? >From what I read, this appears to be Elizabeth Kaspar's "Elizabeth and James", and perhaps the VGSQs are in Frankfort (and I'm sure they are) so Gioe did some of her research reading through them. Thus the "potpourri." Or, perhaps she actually subscribed to VGSQ? Or, visited the Library of Virginia? That would account for "Virginia related" data, perhaps other things will account for the rest. Perhaps someone could do a study to correlate the information from the pamphlets to other known compilations. Pat (in Tucson) -----Original Message----- From: kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kygarrar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Kaspar Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:22 AM To: kygarrar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > > > >> Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county >> courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, >> patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the >> genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not >> farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have >> been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local >> LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives >> in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s >> and 50s. >> >> I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > HUH??? Why would you assume that? > >> They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before >> copied by the County Clerks into the record books. >> Obviously, one of the first places I searched were the microfilms; I spent dozens of hours! I also went through all available Bible records, not only at the History Center, but the Bible records at Transylvania College in Lexington. I have searched in Garrard Co. as well and the library of the Filson Society in Louisville. As I pointed out, ALL Kentucky genealogical librarians with whom I have conferred have said that they had NEVER been able to find Gioe's sources and they report having had had many inquiries regarding her booklets. Even the KY. expert at the library in Salt Lake City told me that she too was stumped. Vital Statistics are MY term to refer to Gioe's data,: marriages, births, wills, etc. Her booklets consist of long lists of names with dates and events, page after page. I have confirmed from other sources the truth 90%+ of her items that refer to my family. But in particular, I am seeking proof of the marriage of a couple whom she names repeatedly for each of their many children's births, "James and Elizabeth Fuqua Baker". Her booklet title in which I find my ancestors listed is "Garrard County Kentucky Records #1, Wills 1796-1833 and Potpourri." Somewhere she found these data! Dr. Elizabeth Kaspar Retired university professor of Research Methodology and Psychology. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Garrard County I am interested in land (or supporting) records for the county between 1800 and 1900. My ancesters from that area (trades unknown) were surnamed Pruitt. What in your learned opinions are the best sources for this type of information? Don Kelly, Pruitt (Mom's line) PS: By 1900 they were in Gainesville, TX

Here is an interesting deposition taken at Green's Shoolhouse in 1850. Does anyone have Joab Green in their tree? The property it is about apparently was in the Pollys Bend area of northern Garrard County. Henry Wheeler Muskogee, Oklahoma DEPOSITION This deposition of Joab Green taken at Green's school house Garrard County, Kentucky on the 15th day of Novenber 1850 according to notice to be read as cordince in a suit in chancery now pending in the Garrard Circuit Court wherein William Ford on Complainant and Reuben Ford, Dorestus Smith and others are Defendants. The deponent being of lawful age, and just sworn deposes and says - That he was acquainted with Timothy Ford deceased, state of Garrard County, Kentucky, in his lifetime that he had lived with about a mile and a half of Timothy Ford from his first acuaintance with him up to the time of his (said Tinothy Ford's) death, that he was acquainted with said Timothy Ford about twenty years before his death, said Timothy left at his death the following children (viz) Reuben Ford, William Ford, John Ford, Polly Ford, Fanny Ford, Eliza Ford, Timothy Ford, Benjamin Ford, Daniel Ford, and Lewis Ford, that John Ford died about the time of his father's (said Timothy Ford's) death, states he is wel acquainted with the farm upon which said Timothy Ford lived in Garrard County, Kentucky, at his death, and considers the land worth about five Dollars per acre - states that John Ford, and Timothy Ford are non residents, that John Ford during his lifetime lived in Indiana, and Timothy Ford was a resident in Missouri for some time, and left some time since for California (as he understands) - states that Isabella and Frances Ryan children of Eliza Ryan Dec', (formerly Eliza Ford) and under twenty one years of age - states that he knew John Ford well in his lifetime, and also knew his widow - he states that all the children of John Ford Dec', and he believes are non residents, that he is well acquainted with their relatives and friends in Garrard County, and has so understood from them states - from information the names of the children of John Ford Deceased are as followes (viz) Mary Ann Floyd formerly (Mary Ann Ford) and her husband Buford (sic) Floyd, Elizabeth Ann Thompson, formerly (Elizabeth Ann Ford) and her husband John Thompson, Timothy Ford, Patsey C. Ford, and Thomas Ford signed Joab Green Also the depositon of Wesley (sic) West taken at the same time and place and to be read as evidence in the same suit - The deponent being of lawful age and just sworn deposes and says. That he was acquainted with Timothy Ford Deceased, during his lifetime, he went to school to said Timothy Ford during his lifetime, and was acquainted with him twelve or fourteen years, up to the time his death, he had heard the depositon of Joab Green taken in this cause read, and adoptes the same as his depositon in theis case. signed Wesley West Also the doposition of Edwin M. Ford taken at the same time and place - the deponent being of lawful age and just sworn deposes and says- That a deed is now before him marked (B) which he refers to and makes a part of this deposition, and that the said deed was signed, and acknowledged by Lewis Ford and Sophia Ford before him - signed Edwin M Ford COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY GARRARD COUNTY The forgoing depositions of Joab Green, Wesley West, and Edwin M. Ford taken at the time and place, and to be read as evidence in the suit named in the caption were this day sworn to, and subscribed before me, as a justice of the peace for County and Commonwealth aforesaid, Given under my hand this 15th day of November 1850 signed W. H. Campbell Justices fee of $1.00 paid by Wm Ford Adjourned to take depositions on Monday the 25th of November 1850 at the clerk's office in Lancaster, Garrard County, Kentucky, this 15th November 1850 signed W. H. Campbell The depositons of W.H. Campbell taken at the clerk's office at Lancaster, Garrard County, Kentucky on Monday the 25th Day of November 1850 to be read as evidence in the suit named in the caption, The deponent being of lawful age and just sworn deposes and says that a deed marked (B) is this day before him, and he refers to the same makes it a part of his depositon, that Dorestus Smith, Fanny Smith, Reuben Ford, Kitty Ford, Daniel Ford, and Benjamin B Ford signed and acknowledged said deed before him, and in his presence, signed W. H. Campbell COMMONWEATH OF KENTUCKY GARRARD COUNTY The forgoing deposition of W. H. Campbell taken at the Clerk's office at Lancaster, Garrard County, Kentucky on the 25th Day of November, 1850, was this day sworn to, and subscribed before and a justice of the peace for County and Commonwealth aforsaid, Given under my hand this 15th November 1850. signed Wm Bruce, J.P. outside folded document reads William Ford Coniph (sic) vs Deposition Reuben Ford & C Defts (sic) 1850 Nov 25 filed A R McKee _____________________________________________________________ Want to help people? Click here to learn more on human resource training. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/CAaCX09mJDCvZ8oKHd5YoHQtDvfwTjMm/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mfcour1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.garrard/891.957.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John lied about his age,it is believed that he lived with the Levina Banks Taylor in the 1830 & 1840 in Garrard Co. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I forgot to say that I am not sure that when the records were filmed that both the original and the registers were filmed. I suspect that in some cases, only the registers were filmed and that some original documents were never hand copied to the register. I can give one example: The original will of my 4th g grandfather gave 100 acres to each of his three sons, but the will book left one son without acreage. Also, some original records have been stolen or they would have been found if misfiled when the Vockerys searched all records. Not many years ago, some records were returned after being away and in the hands of a trusted researcher. Only after the death of the researcher where the records returned. I personally returned one record that had passed on to me by mistake. It bore a file no. so I knew where it belonged. GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] COY & allied families > Georganne, what year would that record be in County Court books?? No > years mentioned here. > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Mary Alice. When the words "Vital statistics films?" was used it through me as that is a term only used officially in later years and probably not used in very early records. Thus my response, yet counted "No". Yes any data is a stat, as are marriage, divorce, birth, and death records. Whether they were named Vital Statistics before the mandating of such, is beyond me to say. Either way, when there is no source, perhaps seeking reassurance via further backup is the best measure. Perhaps this was just an unfortunate coining of a few words. GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> To: <kygarrar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [KYGARRAR] County data > Elizabeth, the microfilms are of the original County records - county > courts, deeds, wills and probate, marriage bonds, land entries, surveys, > patents, etc. These are not called "vital statistics", but you glean the > genealogical material by reading them. They are, indeed, real and not > farbicated films of the original, hand-written documents!! People have > been reading these for many years - a lot of the films I have at my local > LDS Family History Center - the same available at the KY Library Archives > in Frankfort, and KY university libraries - were filmed back in the 1940s > and 50s. > > I suppose you haven't been researching long enough to have seen these??? > They are the only "real proof" records, unless you have something before > copied by the County Clerks into the record books. > > Genealogy has moved leaps and bounds beyond reading the old books > published by so-called researchers.... Hope you will discover this > wonderful world of research!! Mary Alice > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYGARRAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GRTUDOR Surnames: Prewitt, Pruett, Ford, Taylor, Doolie. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.garrard/891.957.1.1.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I offer the following simply as my belief that John Ford Prewitt was married only to Mildred Green and that he went away and no one knows where. I am aware that this is disputed, but believe that I have found credible evidence that he was not the John who married twice afterwards. John was called "Indian Jack" by the whites. He was adopted by Polly's Husband John Prewitt, yet John, Polly's husband only shows as guardian of Polly's son when he married in 1823 to Mildred Green and named John Ford Prewitt. He was alleged to have been half Indian by Little Turtle, the Miami War Chief. He suddenly left and was never again seen! (in 1830 he does not appear on the census although some claim he remarried in 1831 to Melissa Taylor, obviously another John Prewitt in my opinion). By one source, John marries a third time to a Doolie. Polly, the mother of our subject John, returned to Madison Co., KY before her marriage to John Prewitt in 1805, who is alleged to have been a young boy at the McNitt defeat when Polly was made a captive. Polly brought with her to Madison County, her son who was later named John Ford Prewitt. John ford Prewitt was certainly a young boy when arriving in Kentucky. He married in Garrard Co., KY 11 Mar. 1823 to Mildred Green. After John F. Ford suddenly left to never return, Mildred raised her two children and signed for their marriages. she then remarried Lemuel Walker in 1848. The fact that there was a marriage by a John Pruett to a Malissa/Melissa Taylor in Feb. of 1831 in the same county of Garrard does not mean that the two John's are one and the same although the surname has taken different spellings in the records. I was asked to find the 1850 Census record for John Pruett and Malissa in Butler Co., KY where they were said to be living. After checking the 1850 and 1860 census of Butler Co. and being told that John's tombstone has this: b. Aug 7, 1809 & d. May 7, 1869 it is apparent that both the 1850 and 1860 census recordings confirm his birth yr. as abt. 1809 as he was age 41 in 1850 and age 50 in 1860. This would place the John Pruett, husband of Malissa Taylor as being born abt. 4 or 5 yrs. after Polly Ford brought her son to KY and married John Prewitt (Sr.) in 1805. Also, this John would not have been the young son of Polly's brought with her after her release from the Miami Indians as Polly returned before her marriage in 1805 to John Prewitt (Sr). It has also been said that John Ford Pruett/Prewitt, being an Indian may not have known when he was born. surely his mother, who spoke English and retained for her sanity her given name of Ford, would have taught her young son English and about when he was born. This was followed that perhaps he did not give his real age. He certainly recalled what ever age he gave and was consistant by the census and by his grave marker. He was in fact younger by a few years than his wife Malissa. The above is not meant to confirm two John Prewitt/Pruetts being the same person. This compiler simply refutes the idea that they were one and the same. GRT Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.