Nora -- How kind you are to write -- and so gently, too! I am not new to genealogy -- but I'm UNTRAINED -- and very enthusiastic -- and unsure! In the past, I've also teamed up with a cousin -- and we've been working together to research our MORAN and KING and HELFRICH and KONN (Konopinsky) and KLUCK and MUELLER and NOULLET (in Ireland and Germany and Prussia and Alsace Lorraine). And we're back to the old country on all of them -- now we just need $$$$ for on-site research -- and to hire someone who reads the language. And my late husband and I researched HIATT on our own -- from Cleveland -- until we found the birthplace for his parents and grandparents -- about a four-hour drive from here -- and THEN we went traveling and found the rest of the family history in Winchester, Randolph County, Indiana. Then we had the travel bug! And when we visited my family in Florida -- we took a different route each time so we could see for ourselves -- the HIATT migration path in his direct line. We never made it to the last piece of travel -- where his grandparents (first cousins) traveled in a wagon train from Indiana to Missouri (Carter County) -- and when their fathers both died, their mothers (sisters) brought the younger children back to Indiana. So. Lots to do yet! But this Native American story in my children's family is starting to heat up -- the older grandchildren are doing 8th grade essays on their family history (must be a school tradition -- I remember doing one of my own -- asking questions of my grandparents -- and only NOW understanding their answers (and what they did NOT admit to, like the unmarried grandmother, and their trace of ethnicity NOT what they claimed (yes, the "Irish" had an Englishwoman, and the "Germans" had some Polish and French!) And when I found that information, it rocked the foundations of MY parents -- who were in their 80's at the time -- and they literally had to comfort each other. And when my Dear Husband, agnostic and very American non-ethnic -- who had been gently poking fun of MY Irish heritage (and 44 first cousins) for 30 years -- and my religious background (lots of priests and nuns and brothers) -- oh, it was great fun to discover his 8th great grandmother was a MINISTER -- a Quaker minister -- and IRISH, to boot! It's to Bob's credit that he accepted it all -- and told the story on himself -- and stopped poking fun at my people. (:-) So, here I am, without Bob's help, trying to explain the family story to our grandchildren -- and it just suddenly loomed up over me like a big brick wall, and I got my "stubborn Dutch" up (or maybe Dad's "mule-y Irish" (:-) ---- and just decided to figure this out. One Baby Step at a time. It took a long time just to get names -- then about a month to obtain a document -- and I know this one will be hard. My children remember their biological mother -- and my late husband told me that his ex-wife had a terrible childhood -- divorced parents, looking different from other children -- and Bob thought she'd been the butt of school bullies and anti-Indian prejudice. She never spoke of her father to the children -- and their grandmother told them he was Cherokee. Which would make Janet 1/2 or maybe 1/4 Native American -- depending on the rest of his genealogy. I don't think so. I'm a retired social worker, and had a professional acquaintance with our Cleveland American Indian Center -- and took the family story to them 30 years ago -- and back then we thought that the YOUNG family came from Michigan -- the Director looked at pictures of our children -- and said highly unlikely that a Cherokee family had settled in Michigan -- and none of our children "looked" Cherokee to him. And apparently the whole world thinks it's fashionable to claim to be Cherokee (:-) And this is how far-fetched a family story can get -- my middle son's classmates thought he looked like the model on the Indian-head nickel (which is actually a composite of 3 tribal leaders -- Oglala, Seneca and Cheyenne tribes; Chief Iron Tail, Chief Two Moons and Big Tree -- the men). Bart has been interested in their history since he was a little boy. And REALLY wants to know who his ancestors were. He's my wandering child -- left home at 18 to join the Army -- and left them as soon as possible -- to travel the world. He's been everywhere in the United States -- and might be settled in Arizona (third time's the charm, maybe!) He did buy property for the first time, age 47. High up a small mountain -- with no hope of ever building a road -- he says to bring my hiking boots when I come to see him. NOT going to happen. He will be mushing me up the mountain while I sit on a cart -- (:-) He's an inventor, like all the HIATT men -- so he'll figure out how to bring building materials on site -- so he can figure out how to bring ME! ********* I woke up STILL excited about the YOUNG - WOOLUMS information. Tantalizing. Not enough! I've already phoned my Irish cousin -- who volunteers at the County archives -- and he's going to dig further for a real document (might NOT be available, he says -- brace myself) -- I want a BIRTH DATE for George Young. I want to know what he wrote for "race" -- I know in 1930 we were still asking rude questions like that in Cuyahoga County.. I have to wait until Wednesday to get to the LDS library -- and it's just as well -- I don't have ENOUGH data yet. I signed up for some computer time at the county library for this afternoon -- and I'll check the Cleveland city directories for 1929 through 1936 -- and see what I can find. MAYBE some work history for George Young -- this could be good! So I'll lurk on this list -- Google until I can't think of anything else -- and do some praying! Can't hurt. Could help! Thanks again, Nora -- for writing and kindly offering advice -- I'll be following it -- as soon as I get some REAL data, not just our "family stories". (I love family stories! Miss Bob the most when I find another clue -- and he's not there to share. I appreciate your taking the time and effort!) Warm regards, Karen in cold Cleveland, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [KYFRANKL] KYFRANKL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 Karen, I am a descendent of 3 family lines in KY. One I can't find, One I don't anything about except he is a horsetrader and married to my other line, and the final person married the second, then married again and disappeared. You have more luck than I have had. _www.usgenweb.com_ (http://www.usgenweb.com) is a wonderful site to go to. [snip -- advice saved in my files!]