Bev, Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I descend from another of their daughters.) On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and Josephine, age 30. Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name. Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and Zilphia Smith. Betty Smith Eddy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers RESPONSE: I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev <

Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains alot. >>Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name<< All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of Ulyses father. It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died from infectious diarrhea in 1958. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Eddy" <beddy@jellico.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Bev, > > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a > d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I > descend from another of their daughters.) > > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and > Josephine, age 30. > > Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, > born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, > was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and > various other spellings of the name. > > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# > 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is > another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 > and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married > Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the > "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber > misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and > Zilphia Smith. > > Betty Smith Eddy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce Collins > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it > may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not > have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the > information from the census as follows: > > Dwelling 316-316 > WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Patsy, 7, b. KY > . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) > . .Susan, 1, b. KY > > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to > Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. > However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that > required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the > death cert? > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having > problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what > kind > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev > > > > > < > >

Betty, I checked the actual census record on Ancestry.com and found that the transcriber did not make an error in the name. The name is plainly printed as Jane. I wanted to see if they had gotten Jane out of a badly written version of Josie, but that was not the case. One thing though, this family is living right next door to Caroline Stewart and Enoch Smith. It is odd that the annoted census gives that marriage for both John Wagers, and the timing of that marriage is terribly close to the birth of Ulyses, but I tend to agree that is not right for the husband of Josie Stewart, however I can't go as far as to say that this is still Josie for sure. Had the name been more poorly written I would have had more of a doubt. As it is, it is still possible that he did remarry later, before 1880 and this is not Josie. It is too bad a later say 1900 census can't be found to see what his wife's name shows up to be. Richard Holt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Eddy" <beddy@jellico.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Bev, > > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a > d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I > descend from another of their daughters.) > > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and > Josephine, age 30. > > Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, > born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, > was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and > various other spellings of the name. > > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# > 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is > another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 > and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married > Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the > "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber > misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and > Zilphia Smith. > > Betty Smith Eddy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce Collins > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it > may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not > have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the > information from the census as follows: > > Dwelling 316-316 > WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Patsy, 7, b. KY > . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) > . .Susan, 1, b. KY > > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to > Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. > However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that > required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the > death cert? > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having > problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what > kind > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev > > > > > < > >