Lucky, in deed, is the person who searches public records and does not find inconsistencies. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: RLTJPS@aol.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [KYCLAY] WAGES-WAGERS-STEWART-SMITH SUBJECT IS: ANNOTATED CENSUS or OFFICIAL CENSUS RECORDS Professor Sigmund Freud in his life authored a writing "Psychopathology of Everyday Life." He was among the very first persons to point to the revealing nature of errors. Professor Sigmund Freud revealed the nature of errors as not a mere accident caused by a slip of the tongue or the lapse of mind. Errors had some underlying reason. In that light, we who use and read email messages about text of a US Federal census, or from an ANNOTATED Version of a particular identified US Federal census issued by some individual or group of persons must realize some errors happen. Remember a Census record in the USA issued as an ANNOTATED version is a published version on the Internet or created to sell to others and is intended to explain an official US or State or County or Township census record. Other foreign Countries in the world have their "Annotated Versions" on the Internet and various Web sites. Errors also happen when we who compile genealogy and privately publish books and booklets as a labor of love, or those who go out of their way to establish Internet Web Sites to cite their genealogy as factual findings of data, and I for one individual can flatly state never ever did such publications for personal profit, and recognize that each other person always had or did have an underlying reason for that labor of love. Seems to me that no matter the underlying reason the genealogy data if it is searchable can always be a clue to finding the genealogy trees that we are seeking. Take the example where a child is supposed to be raised by another family. We seldom learn "why" without more research. In the message by BEV she writes an interesting passage that conflicts with the various census records quoted: > JOHN in CA (Born Leslie County) > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains a lot. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name << > All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, > and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. > Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. > She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). > The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of Ulyses father. > It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died from infectious diarrhea in 1958. > Bev > > In a message dated 5/6/2003 9:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beddy@jellico.com writes: << Bev, > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. > (I descend from another of their daughters.) > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and Josephine, age 30. Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, was married to Julius Smith. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name. > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and Zilphia Smith. > Betty Smith Eddy <<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then.What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA > <<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>> ORIGINAL Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev >>