RESPONSE: Hello, I have been away on vacation for a good part of October and am now just catching up on some older queries. The very first thing you need to do is to order your gg-grandparents' marriage record from the court clerk in Clay Co., KY. Check the main website for Clay Co. and there should be a link directing you there. In the marriage index this marriage appears as follows (transcribed): McDANIEL, John to MOSEY, Phipps Alabama mar. Sept 1866 - File 13 NOTE: So you can see that it is messed up too. With little or no education, one is about to find all sorts of different spellings and errors in the census and public records. Hopefully the marriage record will provide you confirmation of their parental and/or other age, etc. information. I believe I have found your Mazie PHIPPS and John McDANIEL. You can be the final judge on that. 1850 Clay Co., KY Dwelling 625 PHIPPS, Saml, 46, b. VA - farmer . .Mary, 41, b. VA . .Julena, 23, b. kY . .Julia, 18, b. KY . .Almeda, 17, b. KY . .Cintha, 14, b. KY . .Rebecca, 12, b. KY . . Rachel, 10, b. KY . .Irah/Izah??, 6, b. KY, male . .Mazy, 3, female, b. KY * * * . .Tennessee, 1, female, b. KY Now compare to the 1860 Clay Co., KY Dwelling 865 PHIPS, Samuel, 54, b. Va - farmer . .Mary, 51, b. VA . .Izeah W., 15, b. Clay - farm labor . .(in my transcribed census, the next name appears as Maga A., 13, b. Clay; however, I went in and viewed the actual microfilm and knowing that it should be Mazie or something similiar, I could see that what was written or appears to be written is: Maza A. ; however, I would be the first to say it looks more like Margret A. When you look very closely, you can see the census enumerator crossed off the bottom of what appears to be a "g" so one is left with some other letter such as a "z" or "s". . . Mary T., 10, b. Clay . .Josephine P., 7, b. Clay MORRIS, Julia, 31, b. VA (John MORRIS mar. Julana PHIPPS in Clay Co. on 11-5-1853) . .Mary, 6, b. Madison Co., KY . .Julia A., 4, b. Madison Co. KY I am simply assuming this is the correct John McDANIEL since I have NO AGES to go by: 1860 Clay Co., KY Dwelling 616 McDANIEL, Sela, 42, b. Perry Co. - farmer . .William, 25, b. Clay Co. . .Franklin, 20, b. Clay Co. . .John, 16, b. Clay Co. * * * . .Mary, 15, b. Clay Co. . .Wina, 12, b. Clay Co. . .Jesse, 7, b. Clay Co. I am missing that particular page from my 1850 and am not readily seeing this family. However, in the Vital Stats Book I have, there is this birth: McDANIEL, Jesse birthdate: 2-28-1852 Birthplace: Clay Co. Father: ___________ Mother: Seely McDaniel Res: Clay Co., KY NOTE: While I have no proof of this, it may well be that Seely/Selia/Sela McDANIEL was NOT MARRIED!! Sometimes when you order the marriage records of the children, it will actual list who the father was because often they knew who their father was even if the parents were not married. It simply takes some searching to locate this from available records. Often the true missing parent will be listed on the death cert, I have found in my own TAYLOR and associated family. >From the Clay Co. Vital Stats: PHIPPS, Josahina birthdate: 7-6-1852 birthplace: Clay Co. Father: Saml PHIPPS Mother: Mary PHIPPS res: Clay Co., KY I am not really seeing this Ned McDANIEL listed in Clay Co. Do you know where he grew up or did he go by some other given name. Sometimes Ned is used for Edward. Anyway, I cannot go any further until I get some more family particulars from you on where John and Mazie McDANIEL were in later years. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 10/15/2006 10:14:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 563471@sigecom.net writes: > Trying to find any information on my Great Great Grandfather John McDaniel. > According to records, John Married Sept. 17, 1866 to Mosey Alabama > Phipps in Clay County. Not sure if this is a typo on his spouses name > or not. The only child I have so far for them is my Great Grandfather > Ned McDaniel. According to the copy of Ned's death certificate that I > have, it list his Mothers name as Mazie Phipps. My Grandfather > Charles McDaniel was the informant on this certifcate. I would love > to know if John and his wife had any other children besides Ned. > Marvin Gregory >