SUBJECT IS: ANNOTATED CENSUS or OFFICIAL CENSUS RECORDS Professor Sigmund Freud in his life authored a writing "Psychopathology of Everyday Life." He was among the very first persons to point to the revealing nature of errors. Professor Sigmund Freud revealed the nature of errors as not a mere accident caused by a slip of the tongue or the lapse of mind. Errors had some underlying reason. In that light, we who use and read email messages about text of a US Federal census, or from an ANNOTATED Version of a particular identified US Federal census issued by some individual or group of persons must realize some errors happen. Remember a Census record in the USA issued as an ANNOTATED version is a published version on the Internet or created to sell to others and is intended to explain an official US or State or County or Township census record. Other foreign Countries in the world have their "Annotated Versions" on the Internet and various Web sites. Errors also happen when we who compile genealogy and privately publish books and booklets as a labor of love, or those who go out of their way to establish Internet Web Sites to cite their genealogy as factual findings of data, and I for one individual can flatly state never ever did such publications for personal profit, and recognize that each other person always had or did have an underlying reason for that labor of love. Seems to me that no matter the underlying reason the genealogy data if it is searchable can always be a clue to finding the genealogy trees that we are seeking. Take the example where a child is supposed to be raised by another family. We seldom learn "why" without more research. In the message by BEV she writes an interesting passage that conflicts with the various census records quoted: > JOHN in CA (Born Leslie County) > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains a lot. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name << > All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, > and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. > Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. > She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). > The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of Ulyses father. > It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died from infectious diarrhea in 1958. > Bev > > In a message dated 5/6/2003 9:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beddy@jellico.com writes: << Bev, > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. > (I descend from another of their daughters.) > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and Josephine, age 30. Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, was married to Julius Smith. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name. > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and Zilphia Smith. > Betty Smith Eddy <<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then.What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA > <<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>> ORIGINAL Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev >>

Ulyses Wagers was born 1875 in Clay County and date of death was 6/7/1958 at age of 82. It shows that he was married, a farmer and usual place of residence as Clay County. Burial was in Speed Smith Cementary in Goose Rock. This is all from the certified copy of his death certificate. Bev Lockaby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raholt58" <raholt58@bellsouth.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Question, about your Ulyses Wages, when did he die? Like several others on > this list I descend from a sibling of Josephine Stewart and would like to > add the info to my records. > > Richard Holt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bev" <polyink@fuse.net> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:01 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having > problems > > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what > kind > > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > > Bev > > > >

Betty, I checked the actual census record on Ancestry.com and found that the transcriber did not make an error in the name. The name is plainly printed as Jane. I wanted to see if they had gotten Jane out of a badly written version of Josie, but that was not the case. One thing though, this family is living right next door to Caroline Stewart and Enoch Smith. It is odd that the annoted census gives that marriage for both John Wagers, and the timing of that marriage is terribly close to the birth of Ulyses, but I tend to agree that is not right for the husband of Josie Stewart, however I can't go as far as to say that this is still Josie for sure. Had the name been more poorly written I would have had more of a doubt. As it is, it is still possible that he did remarry later, before 1880 and this is not Josie. It is too bad a later say 1900 census can't be found to see what his wife's name shows up to be. Richard Holt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Eddy" <beddy@jellico.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Bev, > > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a > d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I > descend from another of their daughters.) > > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and > Josephine, age 30. > > Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, > born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, > was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and > various other spellings of the name. > > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# > 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is > another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 > and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married > Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the > "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber > misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and > Zilphia Smith. > > Betty Smith Eddy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce Collins > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it > may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not > have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the > information from the census as follows: > > Dwelling 316-316 > WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Patsy, 7, b. KY > . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) > . .Susan, 1, b. KY > > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to > Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. > However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that > required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the > death cert? > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having > problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what > kind > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev > > > > > < > >

Question, about your Ulyses Wages, when did he die? Like several others on this list I descend from a sibling of Josephine Stewart and would like to add the info to my records. Richard Holt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev" <polyink@fuse.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev >

RESPONSE: I don't believe you will find any actual marriage record from that early time period. All there is remaining are the names and information in registery format. Here is what I have in case you may not have received all that is in the record. January 16, 1834 MILLER, Leander to BALLINGER, Virginia by: Wm. HOPPER, minister Stephen W. BATES, bondsman Daniel MILLER, Father* * Richard BALLINGER, father * * note: parent given. 1830 Knox Co. BALLINGER, Richard, male, bet. 60-70 . . Female, bet. 40-50 . . Male, bet. 15-20 . . Female, bet. 10-15 PLUS: 16 slaves There are also two BALLINGERS living on the same transcribed page. One is James F. BALLINGER bet. 30-40 with a female bet. 15-20, a couple of kids and 6 SLAVES. The other is Frank BALLINGER, bet. 20-30 with another similiar age Male plus one 15-20 age range female and l child plus a couple slaves. Most probably this is all from the same family. I don't see any Daniel MILLER on either the 1820 or 1830 Knox Co. There is, however, a David MILLER. By 1840, there are a number of MILLER families present in Knox Co. and a David MILLER but still no Daniel MILLER or Leander MILLER. By 1840, Richard BALLINGER is bet. 70-80 and his wife bet. 50-60 along with a bunch of slaves 1850 clay Co. Dwelling 749 MILLER, Leander, 47 - Merchant . .Virgena, 35 . .Richard, 13, . .Sarah, 11 . .Ellen, 8 RAMSEY, Charles, 19 JACKSON, James, 24 - brick mason MAUPIN, Dabney, 26 Not present in 1860 Clay Co. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Hello! I am a new subscriber to this list. Thank you up front for all the time and energy it takes to provide this service. I am the GGGgranddaughter of Leander Miller of Clay County, KY (b. 2/2/1802 in KY d. 8/16/1858 in St. Joe, MO) and looking for more information. Here is what I know..... He married a Virginia. I have info from Jody Sizemore (thanks Judy!) that suggested my Leander may be the one that married a Virginia Ballinger in Knox County, KY 1/16/1834. I am currently trying to obtain the marriage document. Time is right. Virginia was the daughter of Richard and Mildred Herndon Ballinger. Leander Miller I have do not have any info on his parents. He was either born in KY as is listed w/ him in the 1840 and 1850 census or TN (as told to the census taker in 1900 w/ his daughter Helen/ Ellen) Here is what I have found out: Married (Virginia? ________?) b. 1814 or 1815 in KY Children: Richard b. 1837 Unknown what happened to him Sarah b. 1839 oral family history says she died at finishing school in St. Louis, MO in 1850s Ellen (Helen) my GGgrandmother b. 1842 married Israel Hamman in St. Joseph, MO 1861 d. 12/18/1908. Leander was a merchant in Manchester, Clay County, KY. I have found tidbits on the web for him. 1844 he bought 25 acres and then another 100 acres on Sturgeon Creek, Owsley County. Unknown if it was ever developed in any way. Probably spec property. In 1840 KY census he has 13 people at his residence 4 are slaves and the rest are free white persons. In 1850 KY census the family is listed w/ 3 other persons and is also listed on the KY slave schedules with 11 slaves. I found court records showing his involvement w/ the Bates Baker shooting and the guardianship of Bates children. Also on record as a merchant in Manchester providing money for Milley Henson and new husband William Densel in 1833. I do not where he was born. Or have any other info on his family. Family oral history has him related to Samuel Freeman Miller, Supreme Court Judge, appointed by Lincoln. There is a line of Millers w/Samuel's father that I have not been able to find any information on. Does anyone have any information on this family? How do I go about getting records for his property ownership/sale in Manchester, do they exist? Are their death records available for that time? I think Virginia may have died about 1850 and that is why he went to Missouri. I have been in contact w/ the Ballinger family line and her line stops about this time. I have a picture of her I would love to share should anyone want a copy of it. I look forward to hearing from you, Robin Landgren Dlandgren@aol.com <

Hi Jess, Loved your story! Ruth sounds like someone I would really like---- Guilda

Hi Jesse Loved your story also martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <DonaldTeague@cs.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] .A HEN THAT KNEW WHAT SHE WANTED > Hi Jess, > Loved your story! > Ruth sounds like someone I would really like---- > > Guilda > >

Hello! I am a new subscriber to this list. Thank you up front for all the time and energy it takes to provide this service. I am the GGGgranddaughter of Leander Miller of Clay County, KY (b. 2/2/1802 in KY d. 8/16/1858 in St. Joe, MO) and looking for more information. Here is what I know..... He married a Virginia. I have info from Jody Sizemore (thanks Judy!) that suggested my Leander may be the one that married a Virginia Ballinger in Knox County, KY 1/16/1834. I am currently trying to obtain the marriage document. Time is right. Virginia was the daughter of Richard and Mildred Herndon Ballinger. Leander Miller I have do not have any info on his parents. He was either born in KY as is listed w/ him in the 1840 and 1850 census or TN (as told to the census taker in 1900 w/ his daughter Helen/ Ellen) Here is what I have found out: Married (Virginia? ________?) b. 1814 or 1815 in KY Children: Richard b. 1837 Unknown what happened to him Sarah b. 1839 oral family history says she died at finishing school in St. Louis, MO in 1850s Ellen (Helen) my GGgrandmother b. 1842 married Israel Hamman in St. Joseph, MO 1861 d. 12/18/1908. Leander was a merchant in Manchester, Clay County, KY. I have found tidbits on the web for him. 1844 he bought 25 acres and then another 100 acres on Sturgeon Creek, Owsley County. Unknown if it was ever developed in any way. Probably spec property. In 1840 KY census he has 13 people at his residence 4 are slaves and the rest are free white persons. In 1850 KY census the family is listed w/ 3 other persons and is also listed on the KY slave schedules with 11 slaves. I found court records showing his involvement w/ the Bates Baker shooting and the guardianship of Bates children. Also on record as a merchant in Manchester providing money for Milley Henson and new husband William Densel in 1833. I do not where he was born. Or have any other info on his family. Family oral history has him related to Samuel Freeman Miller, Supreme Court Judge, appointed by Lincoln. There is a line of Millers w/Samuel's father that I have not been able to find any information on. Does anyone have any information on this family? How do I go about getting records for his property ownership/sale in Manchester, do they exist? Are their death records available for that time? I think Virginia may have died about 1850 and that is why he went to Missouri. I have been in contact w/ the Ballinger family line and her line stops about this time. I have a picture of her I would love to share should anyone want a copy of it. I look forward to hearing from you, Robin Landgren Dlandgren@aol.com

Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains alot. >>Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name<< All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of Ulyses father. It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died from infectious diarrhea in 1958. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Eddy" <beddy@jellico.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Bev, > > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a > d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I > descend from another of their daughters.) > > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and > Josephine, age 30. > > Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, > born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, > was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and > various other spellings of the name. > > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# > 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is > another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 > and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married > Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the > "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber > misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and > Zilphia Smith. > > Betty Smith Eddy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce Collins > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it > may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not > have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the > information from the census as follows: > > Dwelling 316-316 > WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Patsy, 7, b. KY > . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) > . .Susan, 1, b. KY > > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to > Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. > However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that > required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the > death cert? > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having > problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be > left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died > in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what > kind > of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev > > > > > < > >

Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >State Hospital in Boyle County. Bev I dont thank Boyle co had a Hospital for TB till 1949 Ky just had one Hospital be for 1940 Edith Ball <

State Hospital in Boyle County. Bev I dont thank Boyle co had a Hospital for TB till 1949 Ky just had one Hospital be for 1940 Edith Ball

Bev, Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. (I descend from another of their daughters.) On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and Josephine, age 30. Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, was married to Julius Smith. Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name. Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and Zilphia Smith. Betty Smith Eddy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers RESPONSE: I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev <

RESPONSE: Here is John WAGERS as of 1870 Clay Co. Dwelling 74 WAGERS, John, 20, work on farm . .Josephine, 30, (Josephine STEWART per vital records) CORRECTION for you!! I found this entry in the Clay Co. Vital Stats for births which matches the names on your death cert.. WAGES, Julius Birthdate: 8-6-1876 Birthplace: Clay Co., KY Father: Johny WAGES Birthplace: Clay Co., KY Mother: Josafin STEWART Birthplace: Clay Co., KY Residence: Clay Co., KY Assuming this information on the birthdate is accurate for August 1876 and assuming John WAGERS second marriage to a Jane HOLLIN took place in November 1876 per records, perhaps Josaphine STEWART died with the birth of this child and he quickly remarried another woman. It also means that the age of 3 years given for Julius in the 1880 would be abt. right because he would have been a little less than 4 years of age at the time of the probable census. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >RESPONSE: I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY <

That hospital was for the insane or debilitated. I had an ancestor die there. Charlotte

RESPONSE: I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then. What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev <

I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev

A HEN THAT KNEW WHAT SHE WANTED By Jess Wilson Our house when we lived at Gray Hawk was located on a hill overlooking the highway below. The usual approach to the house was through the back door. We had a small flock of hens that lived in the barn behind the house. One day a hen kept walking around our house as if she wanted in. Finally, Ruth opened the back door and the hen walked in. Ruth saw that the hen was looking for some place to lay an egg, then she happened to think of the pile of rags on the lower shelf of a small metal cabinet. Ruth opened the cabinet door and the hen seemed to know that the pile of rags was the kind of place she was looking for. She settled down on the rags and laid an egg. Ruth waited to let her out. The next afternoon and for a long time she would returned each day to lay another egg. How she knew there was an ideal place to lay an egg in our house she never told us. After all did you ever meet a chicken that could talk? She must have been psychic. By Jess Wilson Our house when we lived at Gray Hawk was located on a hill overlooking the highway below. The usual approach to the house was through the back door. We had a small flock of hens that lived in the barn behind the house. One day a hen kept walking around our house as if she wanted in. Finally, Ruth opened the back door and the hen walked in. Ruth saw that the hen was looking for some place to lay an egg, then she happened to think of the pile of rags on the lower shelf of a small metal cabinet. Ruth opened the cabinet door and the hen seemed to know that the pile of rags was the kind of place she was looking for. She settled down on the rags and laid an egg. Ruth waited to let her out. The next afternoon and for a long time she would returned each day to lay another egg. How she knew there was an ideal place to lay an egg in our house she never told us. After all did you ever meet a chicken that could talk? She must have been psychic.

Just a small update here, the rest will be tonight about 10 more cemeteries to add tonight....These are added right now. Clay County Daniel Smith Cemetery http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/Clay%20County/Daniel%20Smith/Daniel%20Smith.html Hubbard Church Cemetery http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/Clay%20County/Hubbard%20Cemetery/Hubbard.html Please don't respond to the list but feel free to e-mail me directly at foe3643@mac.com Cassy. -- Please check out my new free genealogy site. I am currently looking for others willing to share their photographs as well. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/