Martha Sizemore was b. Nov.14, 1875. She was from the Red Bird area. She and J.A. Burns m. July 8, 1897 by Rev. A.J. Murrell. This is a place to start......Cosetta see ya c

Does anyone have information to share on Martha Sizemore, first wife of James Anderson Burns, founder of Oneida Baptist Institute? Anything will be helpful. Thanks!

Hello I got new cousin to thank he is River Jim Allen & Ester McCollum Mary Jane Allen & John Barretts Lue Barrett & Robert Melvin Garrett Don Garrett thank to all Edith Ball

Lisa Do you know anything about David Smith, brother to Addison and Jemima, s/o of Elias? I have been trying to see if David might be my Stephen smith. He married a Lewis sister. Linda

In a message dated 5/10/03 3:18:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, clarkoo@peoplepc.com writes: > Hi Charlotte, > I have been mushroom hunting in Laurel Co Ky ..They to me are not as good > as > the ones in Indiana > Sorry just my opinion Martha Thanks Martha. Charlotte

Hi Charlotte, I have been mushroom hunting in Laurel Co Ky ..They to me are not as good as the ones in Indiana Sorry just my opinion Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <CM7153@aol.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Off Topic-Dry Land Fishing > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me if they know why they call mushroom hunting dry land > fishing? > > Thanks, > Charlotte > >

In a message dated 5/10/03 1:24:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smithcalvin@insightbb.com writes: > > "Dry land fish" are morells, a type of fungus or mushroom considered a > delicacy. To some they have a distinctive fish taste. > > Thanks Calvin, maybe that is why then. Charlotte

"Dry land fish" are morells, a type of fungus or mushroom considered a delicacy. To some they have a distinctive fish taste. -----Original Message----- From: CM7153@aol.com [mailto:CM7153@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:03 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] Off Topic-Dry Land Fishing Hi, Can anyone tell me if they know why they call mushroom hunting dry land fishing? Thanks, Charlotte

In a message dated 5/10/03 1:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brobinson01@insightbb.com writes: > > good question!..maybe they are as hard to find as a fish is to hook.. > ..or maybe some ppl think they taste like fish if you bread them and fry > them like fish..but around here they dont call them dry land fish but I > have > heard that in Ky. > > Fran, I wish that I knew. My aunt Aileen lived in Middlesboro (Bell County, Ky.) and she used to go dry land fishing but I never got to go with her. I am wondering because of her. Thanks, Charlotte

Hi, Can anyone tell me if they know why they call mushroom hunting dry land fishing? Thanks, Charlotte

Sorry, I thought I was posting on a yahoo Smith site! Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran" <brobinson01@insightbb.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Off Topic-Dry Land Fishing > good question!..maybe they are as hard to find as a fish is to hook.. > ..or maybe some ppl think they taste like fish if you bread them and fry > them like fish..but around here they dont call them dry land fish but I have > heard that in Ky. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CM7153@aol.com> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:03 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] Off Topic-Dry Land Fishing > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone tell me if they know why they call mushroom hunting dry land > > fishing? > > > > Thanks, > > Charlotte > > > > > > >

good question!..maybe they are as hard to find as a fish is to hook.. ..or maybe some ppl think they taste like fish if you bread them and fry them like fish..but around here they dont call them dry land fish but I have heard that in Ky. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CM7153@aol.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Off Topic-Dry Land Fishing > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me if they know why they call mushroom hunting dry land > fishing? > > Thanks, > Charlotte > >

Betty, I agree with you that the marriage of John Wagers and Jane Hollin is consistent with house # 118 in the 1880 census. I think you are on the mark there. No argument on that point with me. What I am considering is the history of the Stewart children (most of them anyway) and the fact that most of them died quite young. It is not too far fetched to wonder if Josephine had died young like many of the others did and Jackson "John" Wagers had remarried, to a Jane, but not to Jane Hollin. By the same token what you think about Josephine being listed as Jane could well be the case and that is why I said, I wished we had a 1890 or 1900 listing for that family to see how Jackson Wager's wife was listed. If it was again listed as Jane and not Josie or Josephine, since names do alter with each census, then that could mean maybe we were missing a marriage some place. As for the Jackson and John thing, I have seen that variation on that name before. Jackson suddenly becomes John. I don't know if that was like Mary becoming Polly or what but apparently it was quite common for Jacksons to be listed as Johns. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Eddy" <beddy@jellico.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > Richard, > > Restating: > > On the 1880 (transcribed) Clay Census - > HH# 118-118 Wagers, John 36 > Jane 21 > Mary 2 > Kittie 1*** > Jane Hollin m. 11-16-1876 Clay > > > HH# 316-316 Wages, John 32 > Jane 38 > Patsy 7 > Julius 3 > Susan 1 > > 2nd Jane Hollin m. 11-16-1876 Clay 1st Josephine > Stewart ca. 1870 > > Obviously both entries can not be correct on the marriage info. So the > question of which John Wagers married Jane Hollin on 11-16-1876. Pulling > the marriage certificate might answer the question, but I am not able to do > that at this time. Fast forward 20 years to 1900. > > 1900 Clay Co. Census: > HH# 52-52 Wages, John 47 married 23 years > Amanda J. 42 married 23 > years > Kittie L. 21*** > Nancy 16 > Lula 13 > Lucy 10 > Sarah A. 6 > John, Jr. 3 > > This info is consistent with John and Jane Wagers in HH# 118-118 on the 1880 > Census, except for John's age. Having been married for 23 years in 1900, > means they married around 1876. Amanda J. is apparently Amanda JANE, the > name she used on the 1880 Census. This is the couple married 11-16-1876. > > There is a marriage of record for Jackson Wagers and Josephine Stewart on 26 > Oct 1869. > > On the 1850 Census, Josephine Stewart is 10; 1860, she is 19. On the 1870 > with JOHN Wagers, he is 20 and she is 30. In the way of census record > aging, John being 32 and Josephine being 38 in 1880 is not too far out. > > I cannot explain why he is Jackson Wagers on the marriage license and John > on the census. I cannot explain why Josephine is Jane on the 1880 Census, > but I strongly feel that it is the same person. Look at the supporting > circumstantial evidence. John and Jane are living next door to Caroline > Stewart Smith - Josephine's sister. Jane and John have Julius, whom we know > is the child of John and Josephine Stewart Wagers, per the Clay Co. Birth > Registrations. Plus they have named a child Patsy, another sister of > Josephine. > > Carolyn Stewart and Enoch Smith, as well as Josephine and John Wagers have > disappeared from Clay Co. by 1900. Their father Thomas died in 1888. > Perhaps they moved together to an adjacent county - perhaps Knox. > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raholt58 > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > Betty, > > I checked the actual census record on Ancestry.com and found that the > transcriber did not make an error in the name. The name is plainly > printed > as Jane. I wanted to see if they had gotten Jane out of a badly written > version of Josie, but that was not the case. One thing though, this > family > is living right next door to Caroline Stewart and Enoch Smith. > > It is odd that the annoted census gives that marriage for both John > Wagers, > and the timing of that marriage is terribly close to the birth of Ulyses, > but I tend to agree that is not right for the husband of Josie Stewart, > however I can't go as far as to say that this is still Josie for sure. > Had > the name been more poorly written I would have had more of a doubt. As it > is, it is still possible that he did remarry later, before 1880 and this > is > not Josie. It is too bad a later say 1900 census can't be found to see > what > his wife's name shows up to be. > > Richard Holt >

Richard, Restating: On the 1880 (transcribed) Clay Census - HH# 118-118 Wagers, John 36 Jane 21 Mary 2 Kittie 1*** Jane Hollin m. 11-16-1876 Clay HH# 316-316 Wages, John 32 Jane 38 Patsy 7 Julius 3 Susan 1 2nd Jane Hollin m. 11-16-1876 Clay 1st Josephine Stewart ca. 1870 Obviously both entries can not be correct on the marriage info. So the question of which John Wagers married Jane Hollin on 11-16-1876. Pulling the marriage certificate might answer the question, but I am not able to do that at this time. Fast forward 20 years to 1900. 1900 Clay Co. Census: HH# 52-52 Wages, John 47 married 23 years Amanda J. 42 married 23 years Kittie L. 21*** Nancy 16 Lula 13 Lucy 10 Sarah A. 6 John, Jr. 3 This info is consistent with John and Jane Wagers in HH# 118-118 on the 1880 Census, except for John's age. Having been married for 23 years in 1900, means they married around 1876. Amanda J. is apparently Amanda JANE, the name she used on the 1880 Census. This is the couple married 11-16-1876. There is a marriage of record for Jackson Wagers and Josephine Stewart on 26 Oct 1869. On the 1850 Census, Josephine Stewart is 10; 1860, she is 19. On the 1870 with JOHN Wagers, he is 20 and she is 30. In the way of census record aging, John being 32 and Josephine being 38 in 1880 is not too far out. I cannot explain why he is Jackson Wagers on the marriage license and John on the census. I cannot explain why Josephine is Jane on the 1880 Census, but I strongly feel that it is the same person. Look at the supporting circumstantial evidence. John and Jane are living next door to Caroline Stewart Smith - Josephine's sister. Jane and John have Julius, whom we know is the child of John and Josephine Stewart Wagers, per the Clay Co. Birth Registrations. Plus they have named a child Patsy, another sister of Josephine. Carolyn Stewart and Enoch Smith, as well as Josephine and John Wagers have disappeared from Clay Co. by 1900. Their father Thomas died in 1888. Perhaps they moved together to an adjacent county - perhaps Knox. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Raholt58 To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers Betty, I checked the actual census record on Ancestry.com and found that the transcriber did not make an error in the name. The name is plainly printed as Jane. I wanted to see if they had gotten Jane out of a badly written version of Josie, but that was not the case. One thing though, this family is living right next door to Caroline Stewart and Enoch Smith. It is odd that the annoted census gives that marriage for both John Wagers, and the timing of that marriage is terribly close to the birth of Ulyses, but I tend to agree that is not right for the husband of Josie Stewart, however I can't go as far as to say that this is still Josie for sure. Had the name been more poorly written I would have had more of a doubt. As it is, it is still possible that he did remarry later, before 1880 and this is not Josie. It is too bad a later say 1900 census can't be found to see what his wife's name shows up to be. Richard Holt

William, I know where the Couch Cemetery is but his grave is unmarked. There are only 3 graves marked. They are: Jemima Smith the sister of Addison, Butler Smith Alex Smith Jemima's grave is the only one with dates on it. There are plenty more graves but none of them have a marker other than field stones. Lisa Wombles

That would be Addison Smith who married Polly Lewis. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raholt58" <raholt58@bellsouth.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Couch Cemetery > Curious, which Addison Smith are you talking about? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Smiths" <familybranches@communicomm.com> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:29 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] Couch Cemetery > > > > Has anyone ever heard of the Couch Cemetery and if so, could you tell me > > where it is located? Looking for Addison Smith who died abt 1905 who is > > supposed to be buried there. > > > > William > > > > > > >

Curious, which Addison Smith are you talking about? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Smiths" <familybranches@communicomm.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Couch Cemetery > Has anyone ever heard of the Couch Cemetery and if so, could you tell me > where it is located? Looking for Addison Smith who died abt 1905 who is > supposed to be buried there. > > William > >

Has anyone ever heard of the Couch Cemetery and if so, could you tell me where it is located? Looking for Addison Smith who died abt 1905 who is supposed to be buried there. William

I know for a fact that tracing births when you think you really know the facts can sometimes be tricky, especially when the parents die young. My fathers side of the family came from Clay County. My mother was from Tenn. Her mother died when she was 2 and her father died when she was 12. Her older sister (14 and 16 years older) told her that her birthday was on Jan. 26. Well at around the age of 58, my mother decided to get her birth certificate which she had never seen. We sent off for it and it took forever to come. She would go to the mail box everyday hoping to it would be there. Finally after about 4 months it arrived. Her birthday was Jan 23 not the 26th and her middle name was spelled May not the Mae that she had been believed it to be. At first she said it had to be a mistake. My aunt (not twins) were both 2 years older than they thought they were when they got their certificates. I told her if they didn't even know how old they were it was very likely they were wrong about her date of birth. It is hard to believe that your birthday is on a particular day for almost 60 years and then have to change it. A few years later we think we figured out how the mistake happen. She had another sister who was 10 years older that had been a ward of the state since her mother death, because she was mentally retarded. My mother thought she was dead for years, but did find her. The lady at the group home told us that my aunts birthday is Jan 26. My other aunts must have gotten them mixed up. My grandfather who was born around 1880 didn't know when his own birthday was. He took my grandmothers as his. All of this doesn't make it easy but knowing the why and how things happen help to understand the errors. Bev > Errors had some underlying reason. > > > Seems to me that no matter the underlying reason the genealogy data if it is > searchable can always be a clue to finding the genealogy trees that we are > seeking. Take the example where a child is supposed to be raised by another > family. We seldom learn "why" without more research. > > In the message by BEV she writes an interesting passage that conflicts with > the various census records quoted: > > JOHN in CA (Born Leslie County) I don't think wrote this. Bev > > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > > Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains a lot. > > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of > the name << > > All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, > > and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. > > Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. > > > She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). > > The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than > the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of > Ulyses father. > > It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died > from infectious diarrhea in 1958. > > Bev > > > > In a message dated 5/6/2003 9:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > beddy@jellico.com writes: > << Bev, > > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a > d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. > > (I descend from another of their daughters.) > > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and > Josephine, age 30. > Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born > August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, > was married to Julius Smith. > > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of > the name. > > > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# > 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is > another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 > and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married > Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > > > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the > "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber > misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > > > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and > Zilphia Smith. > > Betty Smith Eddy > <<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 > Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > > > RESPONSE: > > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it > may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not > have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information > from the census as follows: > > Dwelling 316-316 > WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY > . .Patsy, 7, b. KY > . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) > . .Susan, 1, b. KY > > > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to > Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > > > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. > However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required > a long stay back then.What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > <<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>> > ORIGINAL Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather > Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems > reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left > to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the > Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of > hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. > Bev >> >

Lucky, in deed, is the person who searches public records and does not find inconsistencies. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: RLTJPS@aol.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [KYCLAY] WAGES-WAGERS-STEWART-SMITH SUBJECT IS: ANNOTATED CENSUS or OFFICIAL CENSUS RECORDS Professor Sigmund Freud in his life authored a writing "Psychopathology of Everyday Life." He was among the very first persons to point to the revealing nature of errors. Professor Sigmund Freud revealed the nature of errors as not a mere accident caused by a slip of the tongue or the lapse of mind. Errors had some underlying reason. In that light, we who use and read email messages about text of a US Federal census, or from an ANNOTATED Version of a particular identified US Federal census issued by some individual or group of persons must realize some errors happen. Remember a Census record in the USA issued as an ANNOTATED version is a published version on the Internet or created to sell to others and is intended to explain an official US or State or County or Township census record. Other foreign Countries in the world have their "Annotated Versions" on the Internet and various Web sites. Errors also happen when we who compile genealogy and privately publish books and booklets as a labor of love, or those who go out of their way to establish Internet Web Sites to cite their genealogy as factual findings of data, and I for one individual can flatly state never ever did such publications for personal profit, and recognize that each other person always had or did have an underlying reason for that labor of love. Seems to me that no matter the underlying reason the genealogy data if it is searchable can always be a clue to finding the genealogy trees that we are seeking. Take the example where a child is supposed to be raised by another family. We seldom learn "why" without more research. In the message by BEV she writes an interesting passage that conflicts with the various census records quoted: > JOHN in CA (Born Leslie County) > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains a lot. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name << > All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big man, > and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him. > Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was 2. > She was raised by her grandparents (Benge). > The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name of Ulyses father. > It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died from infectious diarrhea in 1958. > Bev > > In a message dated 5/6/2003 9:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beddy@jellico.com writes: << Bev, > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was a d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith. > (I descend from another of their daughters.) > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20, and Josephine, age 30. Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius, born August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester, was married to Julius Smith. > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings of the name. > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH# 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118 is another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age 2 and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers married Jane Hollin 11-16-1876. > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe the "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the transcriber misread her name or if Jane was part of her name. > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers and Zilphia Smith. > Betty Smith Eddy <<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers > RESPONSE: > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and it may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information from the census as follows: Dwelling 316-316 WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Patsy, 7, b. KY . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses) . .Susan, 1, b. KY > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co. However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that required a long stay back then.What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert? Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA > <<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>> ORIGINAL Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be left to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in the Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months. Bev >>