I didn't know there was a court case re William or Dillon Asher's estate. Please let me know if you get any info on this. I descend from Dillon thru his son William. Thanks, Nanette

Winston, Do know if Mahala was the youngest child as our family oral history as said. I was told my grandmother daughter of Mahala that Arrah (Orrah) died not long after Mahala was born and that William and America were more like her mother and father. John died not long after Arrah per family oral history. Would love to find family who knows of the family court case between Mahala and another brother on estate of Dillion or William Asher. Any information would be welcome. Kay

While we are on Bowlings I would love to find family of my Great Grandmother Mahala Bowling. Daughter of John Bowling and Orrah Asher Bowling. Descendants of John L Bowling Generation No. 1 1. JOHN L6 BOWLING (JAMES5, JAMES BOLLING4 SR, MAJOR JOHN3 BOLLING, JOHN2, ROBERT1) was born 1816 in KY, and died Bet. 1870 - 1880 in Clay Co, Ky. He married ORRAH ASHER February 04, 1847 in Clay Co, Ky. She was born 1827 in KY, and died 1868 in Clay Co, Ky. Daughter of William Blevins Asher and Rebecca Begley. G Daughter of Dillion Asher and Nancy Davis. Children of JOHN BOWLING and ORRAH ASHER are: i. LUTECIA7 BOWLING, b. 1849. ii. THOMAS J BOWLING, b. 1850. iii. CHRISTOPHER BOWLING, b. 1855. iv. LUCINDA BOWLING, b. 1856. v. MARY JANE BOWLING, b. 1859. vi. WILLIAM BOWLING, b. April 07, 1864. vii. MAHALA BOWLING, b. 1868; m. SIMON PETER PFAFF.

Hi John, my Grand mother was America Bowling, d/o Eligah Bowling & ? b.1846 ,m.GW. Patton, 1866, d.1937, I would appreciate, any infro. you might come across on her,while you are working on Bowlings, Thanks in advance . opal Patton, Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: RLTJPS@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:44 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] CARTER BOWLING 1925 - WW II Can anyone enlighten me on the burial place of a great grandson of Rev. Jesse Bowling 1756VA-1841KY, a grandson of William Bowling 1810Ky & Rachel Elizabeth Eversole 1816Ky, a son of Boyd Bowling & Mona Bowling (Both born a Bowling and distant cousins who married) who are the parents of a WW II deceased son named CARTER BOWLING born c1925 and was killed in action. Is their anyone still in contact with family members who can contact me about his military career and burial place? CARTER's mother MONA had the following ancestry: > Child of Elizabeth Langdon & John (Black John) Bowling > Son is Joel Bowling 1876 - ?? md 1st, Nannie Bowling. No ch. > Son Joel Bowling 1876 - ?? md 2nd, Alafair Morris 1886-1974 > Joel Daughter is: Mona Bowling 1904 md Boyd Bowling > Mona & Boyd are parents of CARTER. This entire lineage will also lead any researcher back to another son of (Rev.) Jesse Bowling that being JUSTICE BOWLING 1790NC > s/o Justice Bowling 1790NC & Hannah Reed 1790VA) > Justice 1790NC s/o (Rev.) Jesse Bowling 1758VA-1841KY & Mary Pennington 1767NC-1843KY) Thanks for any assistance and information about CARTER who should be remembered as another who gave his life for his fellow Americans and their freedom they enjoy today. JOHN in CA ( a (Rev.) Jesse Bowling 1756 descent)

My grandfather, William Bowling, was Mahala's brother. William and America Bowling's youngest son, Garnett, still survives. He is 92 and in good health. The descendants of William and America are having a reunion this Saturday at Big Creek Elementary School on Saturday, June 14th. Our first reunion was held last July and about 150 people were in attendance. We begin meeting around 10 A.M. and have a pot luck dinner at noon. Most leave about 2:00 to 2:30 P.M. It is a very informal gathering. You would certainly be welcome. I am hoping John Bowling who lives at Chillocothe, Ohio will be there. He knows a lot more about our family history than I do. We don't know where my great grandfather, John Bowling, is buried and about all we know about John and Arrah is that they lived on Red Bird River. My grandparents, William and America, lived at Big Creek. I have a website with photos that may be of interest to you. It is: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/winbowling The website includes photos taken at our first reunion this past July. Winston Bowling Murfreesboro, TN -----Original Message----- From: adam9419@bellsouth.net [mailto:adam9419@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:07 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] BOWLINGS OF CLAY CO While we are on Bowlings I would love to find family of my Great Grandmother Mahala Bowling. Daughter of John Bowling and Orrah Asher Bowling. Descendants of John L Bowling Generation No. 1 1. JOHN L6 BOWLING (JAMES5, JAMES BOLLING4 SR, MAJOR JOHN3 BOLLING, JOHN2, ROBERT1) was born 1816 in KY, and died Bet. 1870 - 1880 in Clay Co, Ky. He married ORRAH ASHER February 04, 1847 in Clay Co, Ky. She was born 1827 in KY, and died 1868 in Clay Co, Ky. Daughter of William Blevins Asher and Rebecca Begley. G Daughter of Dillion Asher and Nancy Davis. Children of JOHN BOWLING and ORRAH ASHER are: i. LUTECIA7 BOWLING, b. 1849. ii. THOMAS J BOWLING, b. 1850. iii. CHRISTOPHER BOWLING, b. 1855. iv. LUCINDA BOWLING, b. 1856. v. MARY JANE BOWLING, b. 1859. vi. WILLIAM BOWLING, b. April 07, 1864. vii. MAHALA BOWLING, b. 1868; m. SIMON PETER PFAFF.

Stephen, November 1927 my father broke the Record of the Season by selling the highest basket of tobacco on the Richmond, Ky. market. Somewhere I have the news paper clipping that atested the feat. December 1942, I had two baskets of tobacco that sold on the same market for the lowest price paid that year. It happened this way: The first day we set tobacco, my crop, was a very hot dry day. Although we were watering the planta as we set them the plants were wilting badly. After we had set 15 roows we called it a day. A few days later it rained and we set the rest of the patch. The first 15 rows never did fully recovered while the plants set later grew as they should. After we had cut and housed the later set crop we left the fifteen rows in the field and went north to find a job. Later my father had the men cut and house the fifteen rows. It may have gotteen frost bit and the barn it was hung in was not properly ventilated. Any was the tobacco never cured properly. At Christmas time Ruth and I came home from Ohio and I stripped and graded my crop. Of the 15 rows I pulled the best off the stalk and put it into one grade. The rest I pitched out with the stalks as not fit to sell. A few days later my father saw what I had done and told me that he thought the discarded tobacco would bring enough to be worth while to salvage and send it to market on top of another load that was going to market. I spent a few hours complying with my father`s directions, after all, he was probaly the best tobacco growed in these parts. . When the two baskets of tobacco sold the Richmond Daily reported that two basket had sold for the lowest price paid so far that year, They didn`t bother to mention the grower`s name. JESS WILSON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hollen" <storyteller@commkey.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Re:anyone remember old time tobacco grading? > Florence, > When I was a kid we still tied burley by hand and it was graded by the type > of leaf and the color. Tips were on the top and were small - I think the > brights were real red or gold and they went for making cigars. The trash or > ground leaves were all sorted together. I was told this was what went into > the cheapest cigarettes. > > In Eastern Kentucky we didn't grade as it was hung - we waited till it came > into case - was properly cured and they pulled each leaf off the stalk and > sorted by the different grades. I don't remember taking it down and > rehanging it, though. > > Once we had a good size pile we would tie "hands" of that pile. One leaf > was used to wrap around the stem ends to make a bundle. The hands were put > in a press and pushed down tight. > > Folks sort and grade way different now. The farmer no longer ties it into > hands - they just bale it now. I really don't know how they grade or sort > these days. > > Stephen Hollen > Appalachian Storyteller & Mountain Humorist > My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never > run out. > www.mountainstories.com > online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FLOCORN@aol.com> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:05 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] Re:anyone remember old time tobacco grading? > > > > Stephen, help me understand..... I know about tobacco grading, but it has > > been awhile. I am willing to call a cousin and find out...... Question > this is > > what we did on the farm when hanging,,,,, or after hanging and the second > > redrying? or was this something that the Tabacco companies did and the > time of > > bidding.,,,,,, There was grading going alone all the time, as best as I > can > > remember..... I do know that we only had several grades and much depended > on the > > brand of the seed,,,,,, and where on the side of the mountain it grew(how > much sun > > it got, and how far down) While companies had more than 100 grades. A lot > of > > the grading on the farm was done as it was cut and hung,,,,, taken down > and > > rehung for the second redrying......... Let me know. It has been a long > > time..... I have always enjoyed your site..... > > > > Florence > >

I don't know how it is done these days either, and I don't remember a lot about long ago,,,,,,, but I have cousins in middle TN, that do it the same way as(their fathers) my unkles did.... Let me know,,,,,,,,, Florence Yes for the second drying they wet the tobacco. This I know had to be done to perfection.. It was so the leaves didn't get to dry, and crumble up. Perhaps they were for outer cigarettes and/or cigars. I just don't know..Most of the tabacco my George family grew/grows was "burley" That has not changed. > Florence, > When I was a kid we still tied burley by hand and it was graded by the type > of leaf and the color. Tips were on the top and were small - I think the > brights were real red or gold and they went for making cigars. The trash or > ground leaves were all sorted together. I was told this was what went into > the cheapest cigarettes. > > In Eastern Kentucky we didn't grade as it was hung - we waited till it came > into case - was properly cured and they pulled each leaf off the stalk and > sorted by the different grades. I don't remember taking it down and > rehanging it, though. > > Once we had a good size pile we would tie "hands" of that pile. One leaf > was used to wrap around the stem ends to make a bundle. The hands were put > in a press and pushed down tight. > > Folks sort and grade way different now. The farmer no longer ties it into > hands - they just bale it now. I really don't know how they grade or sort > these days. > > Stephen Hollen > Appalachian Storyteller &Mountain Humorist > My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never > run out. > www.mountainstories.com > online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com

This is how we did it in Clay Co First you had to Top the tobacco to make it spread then in about a month are so you haft to sucker it just before cutting. when cutting you spread tobacco stick between two rolls cut 2 rows at a time take the tobacco stick, stick it in the ground put a tobacco spear on the stick cut with a Tommy hock which we called it tobacco knife put 5 are 6 stack of tobacco on each stick then hang the Tabasco in the barn about 6 to 8 inches apart until it cored out then around first of Dec. we would strip it so we get money for Christmas. first had to wait until it rain so the tobacco would be in case damp to throw it down from the barn and pile it up in a pile and cover it up so it stay in case. then we strip it in 6 different grades 1. Trash, 2. good trash, 3. Lugs. 4. bright, 5 Dark, 6 green. Then we put in hands and put it back on tobacco stick and pile it up to keep it in case to take off to market.

They was 6 grades 1. Trash 2. Good trash 3.Lugs 4.Bright 5.Dark 6. Green

Wow, my mother's stories of helping out in the field's at her parent's tobacco crops all fled back to me. Mother was the daughter of Millard Webb & Dora Brock of Berea, think it is Madison County. Millard's parents were Thee Webb & Sally Hensley, Thee's parents were Julius Webb & Mahalia Baker of Clay Co..Hence my reason to clay CO, connections. If my memory serves me the sticks were to help hang the tobacco leaves to dry. I'm sorry that I have no info on where to obtain the sticks. I just wanted to say thanks for the stories and enjoyed your site also. Another clay descendant, surnames:Webb,Baker,Hensley,Campbell,Rawlins & maybe you , Kandy Campbell Fitzpatrick

Stephen, help me understand..... I know about tobacco grading, but it has been awhile. I am willing to call a cousin and find out...... Question this is what we did on the farm when hanging,,,,, or after hanging and the second redrying? or was this something that the Tabacco companies did and the time of bidding.,,,,,, There was grading going alone all the time, as best as I can remember..... I do know that we only had several grades and much depended on the brand of the seed,,,,,, and where on the side of the mountain it grew(how much sun it got, and how far down) While companies had more than 100 grades. A lot of the grading on the farm was done as it was cut and hung,,,,, taken down and rehung for the second redrying......... Let me know. It has been a long time..... I have always enjoyed your site..... Florence > Cousins, > I am working on a story and do not remember all the different grades that > folks would grade tobacco into years ago when they still tied hands. > > I think there were: brights, tips, reds...maybe lugs?? and trash or ground > leaves. I think there were more. Maybe cutters? > > Let me know if you remember. > > Stephen Hollen > Appalachian Storyteller &Mountain Humorist > My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never > run out. > www.mountainstories.com > online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com

Florence, When I was a kid we still tied burley by hand and it was graded by the type of leaf and the color. Tips were on the top and were small - I think the brights were real red or gold and they went for making cigars. The trash or ground leaves were all sorted together. I was told this was what went into the cheapest cigarettes. In Eastern Kentucky we didn't grade as it was hung - we waited till it came into case - was properly cured and they pulled each leaf off the stalk and sorted by the different grades. I don't remember taking it down and rehanging it, though. Once we had a good size pile we would tie "hands" of that pile. One leaf was used to wrap around the stem ends to make a bundle. The hands were put in a press and pushed down tight. Folks sort and grade way different now. The farmer no longer ties it into hands - they just bale it now. I really don't know how they grade or sort these days. Stephen Hollen Appalachian Storyteller & Mountain Humorist My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never run out. www.mountainstories.com online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <FLOCORN@aol.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Re:anyone remember old time tobacco grading? > Stephen, help me understand..... I know about tobacco grading, but it has > been awhile. I am willing to call a cousin and find out...... Question this is > what we did on the farm when hanging,,,,, or after hanging and the second > redrying? or was this something that the Tabacco companies did and the time of > bidding.,,,,,, There was grading going alone all the time, as best as I can > remember..... I do know that we only had several grades and much depended on the > brand of the seed,,,,,, and where on the side of the mountain it grew(how much sun > it got, and how far down) While companies had more than 100 grades. A lot of > the grading on the farm was done as it was cut and hung,,,,, taken down and > rehung for the second redrying......... Let me know. It has been a long > time..... I have always enjoyed your site..... > > Florence

OH, YOUR WEBSITE IS WONDERFUL............... it brought back my kentucky daddy and tennessee mommy right here by me this day, your brooms are BEAUTIFUL also, what a lovely gift i was given today,when i read your email to the list,and went to visit your site, in kinship, agape, Deborah ~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~ Our Family Website; http://www.geocities.com/jaybessieparton maternal side;Tennessee HELTON/HILTON/HYLTON-COLLINS-WILLIAMS-MAYES-WITT/WHITT/WHYTT/DeWITT-LIPTROT- ROGERS-DAUX/DAWKES-MITCHELL-BURGESS-WILSON-BERRY-ANDRESEN-GARLAND-PAINTER-RO SSER-NEAVIL-SMITH-SATTERFIELD-LAMB-and many others paternal side; Kentucky PARTON/PARTIN-HELTON-FOLEY-HUBBARD-LEIGH/LAY-TRIMBLE-TARTER-DORTER-BALTHSER- FLEMING-LOGAN-HAWKINS-ENGLAND-ENGLE-STRUM-BEYERLE-CAMPBELL-WOODS-MUNCY/MUNCI E-WARREN-UTTERBACK/OTTERBACK-COBB-FISHBACK-LOWE-MC/FARLAND-SHERROD-SUTTON-JO NES-STANFIELD/STANFILL-THOMAS-PORTER-MAILAND-LAUDERDALE-RICHER/RECTOR-HITT-G OLDEN-GREEN/GREENE-and many more Luke 8:10, Make your own Miracles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hollen" <storyteller@commkey.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] tobacco sticks > Cousins, > As you may know, as a storyteller I work hard to preserve the Appalachian culture. As part of this I learned to make brooms...my Daddy made brooms at Berea in about 1941-42. I go into schools and tell stories and make brooms for the kids. Sometimes I make brooms at festivals too. > > I am trying to find someone in Clay County - or the area that might have some old tobacco sticks for sale. > > I found a guy with sticks from the Carolinas, but they tend to be flat. > > Does anybody know of any place or any one where I can get some for my brooms? I would be glad to pay for them. > > Stephen Hollen > Appalachian Storyteller & Mountain Humorist > My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never run out. > www.mountainstories.com > online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com > > >

Cousins, As you may know, as a storyteller I work hard to preserve the Appalachian culture. As part of this I learned to make brooms...my Daddy made brooms at Berea in about 1941-42. I go into schools and tell stories and make brooms for the kids. Sometimes I make brooms at festivals too. I am trying to find someone in Clay County - or the area that might have some old tobacco sticks for sale. I found a guy with sticks from the Carolinas, but they tend to be flat. Does anybody know of any place or any one where I can get some for my brooms? I would be glad to pay for them. Stephen Hollen Appalachian Storyteller & Mountain Humorist My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never run out. www.mountainstories.com online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com

Cousins, I am working on a story and do not remember all the different grades that folks would grade tobacco into years ago when they still tied hands. I think there were: brights, tips, reds...maybe lugs?? and trash or ground leaves. I think there were more. Maybe cutters? Let me know if you remember. Stephen Hollen Appalachian Storyteller & Mountain Humorist My Daddy says Happiness is like Moonshine; Make your own and you'll never run out. www.mountainstories.com online journal: http://mountainstories.easyjournal.com

Can anyone enlighten me on the burial place of a great grandson of Rev. Jesse Bowling 1756VA-1841KY, a grandson of William Bowling 1810Ky & Rachel Elizabeth Eversole 1816Ky, a son of Boyd Bowling & Mona Bowling (Both born a Bowling and distant cousins who married) who are the parents of a WW II deceased son named CARTER BOWLING born c1925 and was killed in action. Is their anyone still in contact with family members who can contact me about his military career and burial place? CARTER's mother MONA had the following ancestry: > Child of Elizabeth Langdon & John (Black John) Bowling > Son is Joel Bowling 1876 - ?? md 1st, Nannie Bowling. No ch. > Son Joel Bowling 1876 - ?? md 2nd, Alafair Morris 1886-1974 > Joel Daughter is: Mona Bowling 1904 md Boyd Bowling > Mona & Boyd are parents of CARTER. This entire lineage will also lead any researcher back to another son of (Rev.) Jesse Bowling that being JUSTICE BOWLING 1790NC > s/o Justice Bowling 1790NC & Hannah Reed 1790VA) > Justice 1790NC s/o (Rev.) Jesse Bowling 1758VA-1841KY & Mary Pennington 1767NC-1843KY) Thanks for any assistance and information about CARTER who should be remembered as another who gave his life for his fellow Americans and their freedom they enjoy today. JOHN in CA ( a (Rev.) Jesse Bowling 1756 descent)

Asher (George Asher) Sizemore b June 6 1901 - d Nov 1975 in Sevier Co. AR marr Jul 5 1923 in Greasy Creek, Carter Co. AR Odessa Lenora Foley Asher Sizemore and his son "Little Jimmy" Sizemore at one time sang and had a radio broadcast (WSM in 1933) Asher Sizemore was among the first Kentuckians to appear on the "Grand Ole Opry" (source: The Paintsville Herald, March 25, 1992) Asher Sizemore was the s/o Taylor Sizemore & Mary Ellen Mattingly Taylor Sizemore was the s/o Jefferson Farmer Sizemore & Emily Jane Reynolds Farmer Sizemore was the s/o Willis Sizemore and Nancy _______ (either Collett or Murphy) DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THE PARENTS WERE OF NANCY COLLETT AND NANCY MURPHY?????? on his mother's side, Asher Sizemore's roots go to Dillion Asher 1777-1844. Hildegard Hendrickson At 01:43 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Here is something interesting from a Country Music list that I am on. Does >anyone know anything about this Asher Sizemore? > >Thanks, >Charlotte > > > > > COUNTRY MUSIC NEWS - Friday, June 6, 2003 > > > > +----- TODAY IN COUNTRY MUSIC HISTORY -----+ > > > >Asher Sizemore born in Manchester, Kentucky; 1906

Here is something interesting from a Country Music list that I am on. Does anyone know anything about this Asher Sizemore? Thanks, Charlotte        COUNTRY MUSIC NEWS - Friday, June 6, 2003        +----- TODAY IN COUNTRY MUSIC HISTORY -----+ Asher Sizemore born in Manchester, Kentucky; 1906

Hello to all of our Clay and Perry County Neighbors, For information on the celebration of 160 years in Owsley County and Daniel Boone Days, visit our website at this link. Hope to see you all there!! http://owsleykyhist.org/join_us_in_owsley_county_kentuck.htm Sherry Baker Frazier Nashville, Tennessee President Owsley County Historical Society http://owsleykyhist.org http://sherryfrazier.com

HOW I MET COL. SANDERS By Jess Wilson I was the electrical inspector who helped a Caudill lad to wire the Faith Hill Church on Lucky Fork of Upper Buffalo creek in Owsley County. I think the year was 1952. The lad was a son of the post master. I understand he was a near genius but he knew little about wiring but I spent part of a day showing him how it was supposed to be done. As a result my family and I were invited to attend the dedication of the lighting and "officially" turn on the lights in the church. Also attending was Harlan Sanders, a defeated candidate in that year`s Primary election for state senator. I have always thought that his reason for wanting to be elected was so that he would have inside information as to the routing of the proposed interstate highway. This was in 1952. He had a restaurant in Corbin at the junction of Highways 25E and 25W. The new road would divert business away . He wanted to know where to move to. He was a known democrat trying to win an election in a strong republican district. He was sadly defeated. I think he got 12 votes or less in some counties. He had promised Mrs. Ranch to attend their Thanksgiving Celebration, win or loose. I met the chicken cooking Kentcky Colonel in Louisville some 30 years later. He remembered details of that meeting and about my family that I had forgotten. At our meeting at Faith Hill he invited Ruth and I to have dinner at his restaurant. At that time we lived within 10 miles of the restaurant. One thing he told me was. "Jess, if you ever go into the restaurant business, remember to serve good food regardless of how much you have to charge." People have longer memories about the quality of the food than the price they paid for it." Sometime later I stopped at his house one evening on my way to a Kiwanis Convention in Knoxville. Col. and Mrs. Sanders were so busy in the kitchen they hardly had time to speak to me. I think they must have been packeting herbs and spices for one of the many visits he made selling franchise for Kentucky Fried Chicken before he finally sold one in Colorado and soon became famous world-wide .