Hello, Could someone tell me exactly where King David Benge Road is located in Clay County? Someone sent me a photo a while back of the Road Sign...but, I would like to be able to go and see it when I go to KY next week for the BENGE Reunion. Your kindness is appreciated! BENGE REUNION.....Will be held at the London Community Center at S. Dixie & S. Main in London, KY the 2nd Saturday of July....which is July 12th...11:00 A.M. - ? Duff Holcomb (606) 862-8371 is in charge this year. Thank You! Linda Farris Antal - cantal@cinci.rr.com

Hi List, and especially Edith, My mother, Fairy Webb-Campbell, always said her family was part Cherokee. I have never been able to prove it either. Her mother, Dora Brock-Webb, was were the line may have come from along with her father Millard Webb, son Thee Webb & Sally Hensley. (Thee was the son of Clay county's Julius Webb & Mahalia Baker.) A mix of Madison & Clay Co. with my father Floyd Campbell, being from Estill Co.... My Mother said his side was Indiana also, no prove of that either!sO, i HAVE NO CLUE, LOL. Edith, you talked about a Webb Bible, I's like to know if there were any information in there from my line of the Webb's. Which are Julius Webb & Mahalia Baker, Thee Webb & Sally Hensley, Millard Webb & Dora Brock, Fairy Webb & Floyd Campbell. I have quite a bit of info on the Webb side, thanks to all of you out there. I do have photos of Julius & Mahalia, Nancy Hensley & Levi Webb, John Brock & Fannie Crutcher, Dora Brock & Millard Webb, Thee Webb, Sally Hensley Webb, from Estill Co., I have Vernon Campbell, Floyd Campbell, Virgin Rawlins-Campbell photos. I even have a photo of David W. Crutcher & wife Mary Lane. David crutcher was in the Civil war. The are my great great grandparents. They are somehow part of Ishom Lane. Jess- are you not part of the Lane family? If anyone wants photos of said people, contact me personally. It may take me a while to respond, I have children here at home, LOL. Thanks, love to all. Sincerely, Kandy Campbell-Fitzpatrick

Hi Joyce awhile back you sent me some info on a Henry Brown b 1852 in KY, do you have any info on his parents, somehow I get the feeling he had a brother named Daw (Daughtery) which was my g grandmother's dad, Henry had a son Daughtery b. 1889 my grandmother Sarah Jane Brown was b. 1884, so I know this isnt the right Daughtery to be her dad, but I have learned that most Brown's in Knox Co, lived a placed called Brown's hollow off of Stinking Creek, so I am sure there is a connection somewhere down the line. thanks Nancy S.

Thanks, Betty. I was really hoping that Clay Co. had some county level death records for 1898. Guess not. Thanks for the news about which years they do have scattered records for. I can stop hoping then. ;o) I have about 3 or 400 KY death certs on Cassy Sommers' web site. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/ I may have to see if I can find an obit for her in the newspapers. http://www.kygenweb.net/ukfilm/index.html But, back in those days they didn't usually say a whole lot about "daughter of so and so." Oh no, I guess that's out of the question too. I don't see any papers for Manchester until 1958. Shoot. Does anyone have any ideas on what sort of churches were around Manchester or Plank? That might be my only hope at this point. Kathy in MN Betty Eddy wrote: > Kathy, > > I don't believe there are any public death records for this period. > Kentucky as a state did not start keeping such records until 1911. Prior to > that time there were random efforts to have births and deaths recorded at > the county level. There exists some death records for Clay for 1852, 1853, > 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859, 1861, 1874, 1876, 1878, 1904. There is > also a Federal Mortality Census, associated with some of the older Federal > Census, for those people who died in the 12 months period prior to the > taking of the Federal Census. > > Betty >

Kathy, I don't believe there are any public death records for this period. Kentucky as a state did not start keeping such records until 1911. Prior to that time there were random efforts to have births and deaths recorded at the county level. There exists some death records for Clay for 1852, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859, 1861, 1874, 1876, 1878, 1904. There is also a Federal Mortality Census, associated with some of the older Federal Census, for those people who died in the 12 months period prior to the taking of the Federal Census. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathrine Hines To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Walker Cemetary, Clay Co., KY What's the best way to obtain 1898 death records from Clay? Kathy in MN

Joyce and Nancy, Hwy. 421 - Hwy 80 travels east out of Manchester toward Leslie County. About 10 miles out of Manchester at Goose Rock, Hwy 1524 turns right off this highway. About a mile from this turn, Hwy 2000 turns left off Hwy 1524. Hwy 2000 continues east into Leslie County. Plank is a rural area about 2 miles from the intersection of Hwys 1524 and 2000. Walker Cemetery is on Hwy 2000. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Walker Cemetary, Clay Co., KY RESPONSE: I have in my notes that John S. M. WALKER, Nancy ELROD WALKER, this son, Pleasant and Lydia DAVIS WALKER and others are buried at a place called "Plank" in Clay Co. in the Walker Family Cemetery. Have no way where Plank is. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Does anyone know of a Walker Cemetary in Clay Co., KY? I am looking for a Nancy (maiden name Elrod) who died August 08, 1898 and may be buried there. Thanks in advance for any help, Kathy in MN <

RESPONSE: Accessing the Message Boards and Mail Lists is very basic. There is one for each county and state. I am going to give you the long directions I always give out. This is because it will teach you to go to any state and any county in the future. Go to: http://www.usgenweb.org (make this one of your FAVORITE PLACES so you'll have it for the future) Click on: The Project's State Pages Click on: Table of States Click on: Kentucky (now you can see how you can access all the other states) Click on: Message Boards Click on: Jo Thiessen's Quick Link Page (now you can see all the counties in KY) Click on: Jackson (you will then be able to follow the directions I previously gave you regarding accessing all the queries on a particular surname in the system) Good luck to you. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >How do I get access to the Jackson Co. message board? Thank You in advance Nancy Moulton <

Dear Edith, I'm so sorry about your eye problem! My thoughts & prayers are with you. You have helped a lot of people too, if I remember right! Guilda

RESPONSE: I believe I have read that John S. M. WALKER was from Hawkins Co., TN. However, I can tell you that as of the 1850, 1860 they are in Hancock Co., TN. Then they come into Clay Co. I have no information on the ELROD family. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Thanks Joyce & Nancy, Do either of you know if the Clay Co. death records usually named parents on them. I suppose it's just like any other county, some do and some don't. What's the best way to obtain 1898 death records from Clay? I don't know much about Clay Co., only Laurel and Knox.. So anything you tell me would be new info here. I'm really hoping that this Nancy (Elrod) Walker turns out to be a sister of "our" Rowan Elrod who settled in Pulaski Co. If so, then her parents are Peter Elrod & Sarah (?). I hurried over to the 1880 online census and found a John & Nancy Walker. She looks to be about the right age for the one I'm looking for. She was born in NC and her daughter, Susan, was even born in TN! Census Place: Big Creek, Clay, Kentucky Family History Library Film: 1254410 NA Film Number: T9-0410 Page Number: 559A John WALKER, Self, M, Male, W, 80, NC, Farmer, NC, NC Nancy WALKER, Wife, M, Female, W, 72, NC, NC, NC Sousan WALKER, Dau, S, Female, W, 51, TN, Keeping House, NC, NC Thanks for that info on the Walker connection. I did not have any idea what her married name was. Kathy in MN Joyce Collins wrote: > RESPONSE: > I have in my notes that John S. M. WALKER, Nancy ELROD WALKER, this son, > Pleasant and Lydia DAVIS WALKER and others are buried at a place called > "Plank" in Clay Co. in the Walker Family Cemetery. Have no way where > Plank is. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >Does anyone know of a Walker Cemetary in Clay Co., KY? > > I am looking for a Nancy (maiden name Elrod) who died August 08, 1898 > and may be buried there. > > Thanks in advance for any help, > Kathy in MN > > < ----------------------- Interne<

RESPONSE: Kentucky did not begin a procedure to record births, deaths until 1911. Even then and for several years later, it still was not a perfect system. Records prior to 1911 are sparce. There are some births for various counties which can be read from microfilm from reels sold by the State of KY. In some counties, birth records, death records and some marriage records have been transcribed and sold in book format as Vital Stats Books. People relied on tombstones, Bible records, other family records, oral history, etc. Clay Co. has a Vital Stats book available through the Knox Co. Genealogical Society. I believe there are also some books for Whitley, Rockcastle and Laurel Co.'s. There are a few births included in the 1870 Bell Co. Fed. Census which is sold by Gertrude NOLAN. Harlan Co. has many, many births transcribed and on line. It varies with the county. But remember, the birth records and death records prior to 1911 are sparce and the microfilmed and transcribed records are only a small part of the births and deaths which actually occurred. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >hi Kathy I dont have any ideal how to get death records for 1898, I have been looking for some around 1880 and so far havent found any way to find any records, Joyce might know more on this Nancy<

hi Kathy I dont have any ideal how to get death records for 1898, I have been looking for some around 1880 and so far havent found any way to find any records, Joyce might know more on this Nancy

Joyce I know where this Walker Cem at Plank is was there last Sunday getting dates for some Smallwoods the cem is located about 10 miles from Manchester Nancy

RESPONSE: I have in my notes that John S. M. WALKER, Nancy ELROD WALKER, this son, Pleasant and Lydia DAVIS WALKER and others are buried at a place called "Plank" in Clay Co. in the Walker Family Cemetery. Have no way where Plank is. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Does anyone know of a Walker Cemetary in Clay Co., KY? I am looking for a Nancy (maiden name Elrod) who died August 08, 1898 and may be buried there. Thanks in advance for any help, Kathy in MN <

Thank You!!! Nancy -------Original Message------- From: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 05:56:08 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Young's How do I get access to the Jackson Co. message board? Thank You in advance Nancy Moulton -------Original Message------- From: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:30:46 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Young's RESPONSE: Joann, Adding to the valuable information provided by Edith BALL CAUDILL, please go to the Jackson Co., KY Message Board. Where you read queries, look at the top left-hand side of the page. Type in the surname, YOUNG, on the search line and be sure to click on the dot beside of Jackson Co. It just so happens there is a discussion going on with regard to Rease (Reece D. YOUNG) who served in the Civil War and it tells where he is buried, etc. You will gain some new cousins. The Ancestry.com data bases are ALL down right now so I have not been able to do further searching. In case you do not have the complete listing for the 1920 Perry, here that is: 1920 Perry Co. - First Creek Dwelling 80-90 YOUNG, James J., 57, b. KY; parents b. KY .. .Sarah, wife, 38, b. KY .. .Ernist, son, 14, b. KY .. .Alice, dau., 13, b. KY .. .Chester, son,10, b. KY ... . Harley? (hard to tell if it is Harley or Harvey), 7, son, b. KY I found these two births which "could" be Sarah YOUNG's. Sometimes they incorrectly list as a maiden name the woman's married name. YOUNG, Belle, b. 9-8-1923 in Perry Co.; maiden name mother: Sallie YOUNG YOUNG, James P., b. 2-19-1926 in Perry Co.; maiden name of mother: Sallie YOUNG DEATH CERT: YOUNG, James, died in Perry Co., KY on 8-4-1927; Vol. 039, Cert 19223 at the age of 66 years. In the 1930 Perry Co., I found this listing: Dwelling 186-191 YOUNG, Chester, 21, mar. at 17 yrs, "b. TN; parents b. TN" .. .Nannie, wife, 19, mar. at 15 yrs, b. KY .. .Helen, dau, 2 + years, b. KY .. .Ruth, dau, 6 mo's, b. KY I could not locate on the 1930, either Sarah or any of the child - Ernest, Alice, Chester or Harley and the 1930 is searchable by first names on Ancestry.com It may be she completely left the state OR . . . in the meantime she may have remarried and she and her children are listed under the name of the new husband. That sometimes does happen. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Alice Young is the granddaughter of James Young. She did in fact marry William Lynch. This is wonderful. Who is Reese Young's parents. What was your grandmother's name? Thank you so much, Joann ----- Original Message -----< .. .

Here is some research I have done on NA in the area. Penny Quadrule Indians of Harlan County Kentucky Edmon Middleton, 1905-1935, was murdered by a dynamite blast in his car September 4, 1935. Evidence showed that the dynamite was wired to the ignition the night before, and exploded when he started his car. The explosion could be heard all over the city of Harlan, Kentucky. Mr. Middleton was in his second year of his second four-year term as County Attorney in Harlan county. (Harlan Dailey Enterprise, September 4, 1935; Edmon Middleton 1905-1935 by Kathryn H. Trail, Harlan Mountain Roots) Mr. Middleton contributed many ways in his short life---one was by writing a history of Harlan County Kentucky, which to my knowledge was never published. His daughter, Mary Elmon Middleton graciously allowed this history to be placed in the "Harlan Mountain Roots." According to my research so far Middleston was the first to write a history on Harlan County, all others seem to refer to his work or use his work almost word for word in part. I was surprised and pleased to see that Mr. Middleton not only mentioned Quadrule Indians but elaborated on them in his history and told much the same story my grandmother had told. In other words---he confirmed an oral story in my family. Middleton said, "The early settlers at first found the Indians who were living in Harlan County, but no roving bands, friendly and hospitable towards them." He goes on to tell that later as the Indians became alarmed of the growing danger of losing their lands, they became hostile. These hostile Natives were soon either killed or driven from Harlan County. The friendly Indians "remained until comparatively recent years." Some married in with the surrounding families. He writes, "The chief tribes of Indians in Harlan County were the Cherokees and Quadrules. The Quadrules inhabited Wallins Creek, and the Cherokees were scattered in smaller bands throughout the county, some of them on Wallins Creek. The Quadrules were friendly and mingled freely with the whites. The Cherokees usually were unfriendly and lived more secluded from the whites. The Quadrules were very adapt (sic) at spinning and weaving woolens and flax and making beautiful pottery. Often they did the spinning for the White people. The women wore beautifully colored clothing, and were just as fond of pottery of many colors. They made this pottery from the clay around Wallins Creek. S.J.C. Howard, who died in Harlan just a few years ago, and who was formerly County Attorney for Harlan, gave many interesting accounts of this colony of Quadrule Indians at Wallins. When a boy he used to hunt and fish with those Quadrule Indian boys. They lived as a tribe at Wallins Creek until after the Civil War, and then many went West when the Indians were colonized by the Government. It is said that the Quadrule Indian girls were very beautiful. Some of the older Indians returned to Wallins Creek after the colonization, and later scattered about through the County. After the mass of the Indians from Harlan moved West, it is reported that occasionally some of them would return, and take back packages of very heavy materials, which they would allow no one to see, and which the old settlers thought were some kind of very valuable Minerals." Mr. Middleton tells of an Indian mound that was unearthed just off main street in Harlan, giving up all kinds of flints, arrowheads, tomahawks, a little pottery, beads, and Indian skeletons. He mentions that in a large portion of Harlan County Indian relics have been found, giving evidence of early Native American existence there. Lisa Kirk, of the Enterprise Staff wrote an article titled "Wallins Named For An Early Surveyor." It tells that Wallins Creek was named after the longhunter who early on came into the area. Wallins Creek in Tennessee is named for this same man. Kirk says, "The Quadrule Indians were a settled, peaceful people living at Wallins Creek, and when the early settlers came in the Quadrules accepted them as riends. -------------Eventually the Quadrules were moved to a western reservation. The exact year is not known, but it is believed to have been sometime after 1865, following the close of the Civil War. --------Forest, parks and other sites were named for the belligerent Cherokees and Shawnees, but few remembered the Quadrules ever existed. As a belated honor to the friendly people, one of the scenic spots in the county, on Upper Martins Fork, now bears the name of Quadrule Falls." I spoke with the Virginia Parks Department historian, and he felt that the Indian mounds would have contained the earlier Native Americans who lived in the area, and that these Quadrules were more than likely a group of Natives who had broken off from a local tribe, probably the Cherokee or Shawnee. Everything I find seperates these Quadrules from the Cherokees, as did my grandmothers story. All accounts seem to point out that they were not the same. researched and written by: Penny Ferguson

My mom always said that we were related to the Blackfoot tribe but I am not sure. Charlotte

Thanks Joyce & Nancy, Do either of you know if the Clay Co. death records usually named parents on them. I suppose it's just like any other county, some do and some don't. What's the best way to obtain 1898 death records from Clay? I don't know much about Clay Co., only Laurel and Knox.. So anything you tell me would be new info here. I'm really hoping that this Nancy (Elrod) Walker turns out to be a sister of "our" Rowan Elrod who settled in Pulaski Co. If so, then her parents are Peter Elrod & Sarah (?). I hurried over to the 1880 online census and found a John & Nancy Walker. She looks to be about the right age for the one I'm looking for. She was born in NC and her daughter, Susan, was even born in TN! Census Place: Big Creek, Clay, Kentucky Family History Library Film: 1254410 NA Film Number: T9-0410 Page Number: 559A John WALKER, Self, M, Male, W, 80, NC, Farmer, NC, NC Nancy WALKER, Wife, M, Female, W, 72, NC, NC, NC Sousan WALKER, Dau, S, Female, W, 51, TN, Keeping House, NC, NC Thanks for that info on the Walker connection. I did not have any idea what her married name was. Kathy in MN Joyce Collins wrote: > RESPONSE: > I have in my notes that John S. M. WALKER, Nancy ELROD WALKER, this son, > Pleasant and Lydia DAVIS WALKER and others are buried at a place called > "Plank" in Clay Co. in the Walker Family Cemetery. Have no way where > Plank is. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > >Does anyone know of a Walker Cemetary in Clay Co., KY? > > I am looking for a Nancy (maiden name Elrod) who died August 08, 1898 > and may be buried there. > > Thanks in advance for any help, > Kathy in MN > > <

How do I get access to the Jackson Co. message board? Thank You in advance Nancy Moulton -------Original Message------- From: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:30:46 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Young's RESPONSE: Joann, Adding to the valuable information provided by Edith BALL CAUDILL, please go to the Jackson Co., KY Message Board. Where you read queries, look at the top left-hand side of the page. Type in the surname, YOUNG, on the search line and be sure to click on the dot beside of Jackson Co. It just so happens there is a discussion going on with regard to Rease (Reece D. YOUNG) who served in the Civil War and it tells where he is buried, etc. You will gain some new cousins. The Ancestry.com data bases are ALL down right now so I have not been able to do further searching. In case you do not have the complete listing for the 1920 Perry, here that is: 1920 Perry Co. - First Creek Dwelling 80-90 YOUNG, James J., 57, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Sarah, wife, 38, b. KY . .Ernist, son, 14, b. KY . .Alice, dau., 13, b. KY . .Chester, son,10, b. KY .. . Harley? (hard to tell if it is Harley or Harvey), 7, son, b. KY I found these two births which "could" be Sarah YOUNG's. Sometimes they incorrectly list as a maiden name the woman's married name. YOUNG, Belle, b. 9-8-1923 in Perry Co.; maiden name mother: Sallie YOUNG YOUNG, James P., b. 2-19-1926 in Perry Co.; maiden name of mother: Sallie YOUNG DEATH CERT: YOUNG, James, died in Perry Co., KY on 8-4-1927; Vol. 039, Cert 19223 at the age of 66 years. In the 1930 Perry Co., I found this listing: Dwelling 186-191 YOUNG, Chester, 21, mar. at 17 yrs, "b. TN; parents b. TN" . .Nannie, wife, 19, mar. at 15 yrs, b. KY . .Helen, dau, 2 + years, b. KY . .Ruth, dau, 6 mo's, b. KY I could not locate on the 1930, either Sarah or any of the child - Ernest, Alice, Chester or Harley and the 1930 is searchable by first names on Ancestry.com It may be she completely left the state OR . . . in the meantime she may have remarried and she and her children are listed under the name of the new husband. That sometimes does happen. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Alice Young is the granddaughter of James Young. She did in fact marry William Lynch. This is wonderful. Who is Reese Young's parents. What was your grandmother's name? Thank you so much, Joann ----- Original Message -----< .

Hello Jeanne my cousin Dr Kin Tankersley is right a book on our Indian Tribe here in clay co ky i just get thiss eail frome hem Edith Ball Thank you cousin Edith! I will always treasure the letter from Minty.  I cannot believe it finally reached me so long after her death.  I absolutely would love to see the Boyd, Hornsby, and Webb bible records. I thought you might enjoy reading the reference below. With love, Ken Generations: An American Family Copyright 1983 by John Egerton Published by Simon & Schuster, Inc. 1986 Originally published by The University of Kentucky p. 30-31 Narrative by Addie King (b. 1885-d.unknown): I know more about the Kings*.  Byrd King came from North Carolina with his folks in the 1830s, when he was a little boy.  I'd just as well tell you all of it:  They always claimed that the Kings had Indian blood in them.  Some of the children worried about it-my brother was ashamed of it-but it never did bother me.  The Indians was as smart as anybody, if they had a chance to show it.  I think Byrd's mother and father were both part Indian-Cherokee or what, I don't know.  His name could have been Felix-Byrd had a brother by that name-but somebody else told me the old man's name was Woodard King, and his wife was Elizabeth Harris.  I never knew either one of them, of course, or my Grandfather Byrd either-he died on Christmas day of 1865-but I knew some of Byrd's brothers, my great-uncles, and they were all dark-complected.  My father was sort of dark, too, and had real black hair.  He was a good-looking man.  Our son Bruce was dark like that.  He took the best picture you ever saw. In another chapter in the book, Aley Ledford describes his life in Harlan (Martin's Fork area, circa 1870).  Ken, I thought this is a great insight to the attitudes toward Indians in the late 19th century as well as a brief description of the Indians in the Harlan area at that time.  Similar to the attitude my great-grandparents had, who lived in the Martin's Fork area as well. p. 49 There was buffalo and Indian trails all through the woods and across the mountains, but there wasn't no buffalo or Indians to speak of.  Farmers told of seeing that Howard feller, Sam Howard, and up on Cranks, Skidmores found a man named George Burkhart living with his wife in a big hollow sycamore.  But that was all.  I remember the first winter about six Indians came by our place one day, said they had been hunting.  They was real friendly, and we was so glad to see any people that Henry* asked them in to warm by the fire.  They couldn't speak a lot of English, but they looked about like settler people to me, only darker. *Henry was a brother-in-law to Aley Ledford

My father always said that my greatgrandmother Lucy Jane Massey Thompson was part Cherokee. She surely looks like an Indian squaw in her pictures but I have no proof. Ruby