can some tell me where to look for records of Poor House I have been told that a lot of time you can find you kin in these type of farms. Thanks Vanita

Renee, When they rererred to "the white`s" they may have been talking about the WHITES, one of the first and most prominent families in Clay County. Jess Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Smith" <hrsmith40@msn.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > Calvin, > Oh, you just don't know how much this means. To have this info offered, in that you say they lived "near the whites". Can you please help me understand how this was gleaned. Can a location be pinpointed at all? By chance any way of determining from whince Harriet came before marrying William? Someone else reported my grandmother having appeared on the census as "Mulatto" - which is new news to me. I can get no further than back than Harriett and William. I suppose I'll never find out what Harriett's surname was prior to her becoming a Potter. > Thank you ever so much. > Renee > Columbus Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Calvin Smith > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > > 1900 census indicates the following: > Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 > Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living > Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s > Newton son bm may 1879 21 s > Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s > Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s > They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites > > Calvin Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > Charlotte, > Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers > crossed). > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CM7153@aol.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > > > Charlotte, > > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > > > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William > POTTER or > > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett > is my > > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave > at some > > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if > anyone has > > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > > Renee > > Renee, > > I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave > records. > > Thanks, > Charlotte Miller > <A > HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya > hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

Renee Smith, if it is any comfort to you, those marked "mulattto" were often Native Americans (Indian) who escaped the "Trail of Tears" to settle in our area where they were fairly treated as anyone else. JESS WILSON . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Smith" <hrsmith40@msn.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > Calvin, > Oh, you just don't know how much this means. To have this info offered, in that you say they lived "near the whites". Can you please help me understand how this was gleaned. Can a location be pinpointed at all? By chance any way of determining from whince Harriet came before marrying William? Someone else reported my grandmother having appeared on the census as "Mulatto" - which is new news to me. I can get no further than back than Harriett and William. I suppose I'll never find out what Harriett's surname was prior to her becoming a Potter. > Thank you ever so much. > Renee > Columbus Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Calvin Smith > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > > 1900 census indicates the following: > Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 > Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living > Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s > Newton son bm may 1879 21 s > Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s > Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s > They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites > > Calvin Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > Charlotte, > Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers > crossed). > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CM7153@aol.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > > > Charlotte, > > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > > > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William > POTTER or > > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett > is my > > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave > at some > > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if > anyone has > > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > > Renee > > Renee, > > I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave > records. > > Thanks, > Charlotte Miller > <A > HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya > hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

Can you find a Ball are a Murray in your Tredway family on my ggfather marred in 1862 thay was a Tredway on thair marred George W Ball & Martha Murray on sextoncreek ky clay co Edith Ball

Calvin i love to have a coper them old picture of clay co ky i was b on sextoncreek ky my father Harvey Ball work for the state he help make a lot the road in clay co he new a lot family thank Edith Ball Caudill Holiday Fl

RESPONSE: The WHITES and the GARRARDS were part of the wealthy, slave holding families in Clay Co. associated with the salt making industry in that county of that time. There were several free "Blacks" listed in the census prior to the Civil War who are listed in the census records and who worked in the saltmaking industry. Hugh WHITE came from VA into Clay Co. before 1800 and was one of the pioneers of the salt making industry. If you have old photos of Clay Co., I would suggest you contact the person now in charge of the main Clay Co. webpage. I think that is Kelly. If you go to the main Clay Co. page, you will locate her address. I'm sure she would be grateful to have copies of any of those photos to post as she is rebuilding the Clay Co. site. It would be most interesting to me and I'm sure to others to be able to view them. From the 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census, Dwelling 5-6 WHITE, Beverly P., 38, b. KY; father b. AL, mother b. KY . .Helen G., 32, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . .James, 11, son, KY . .Eva, 9, dau, KY . .Lucy, 7, dau, KY NEAL, Polly, Mulatto female, 14, servant, b. TN; father b. TN; mother b. KY POTTER, Ellen, Black female, 38, servant, b. KY; father b. KY; mother b. VA NOTE Helen GARRARD married Beverly P. WHITE. Dwelling 274-317 is one POTTER family that was listed as a Black family ; however, with the excpetion of their ages, none of the names could be read by the transcriber. All that is listed is: Dwelling 274-317 POTTER, J.??, BM, 54, widow, b. KY; father b. KY; mother b. VA . .W. ???, 25, son, KY . . Be.???, 18, son, KY . ._____, 12, dau, KY . ._____, 9, male, KY NOTE: All chidren are listed as Black family members. . .______, 48, White family, b. VA; father b. IR; mother b. VA . .+_____, 33, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Sorry Calvin, Wanted to clarify. When you said the Potters lived near the Whites, might you lend the census data on the Whites. I do remember now that a relative told me that grandma Harriett may have been in servitude to a WHITE family at some point in time. Renee Charlotte, Calvin, all others w/Clay Co. interests. I have LOTS of very old photos, some on tin-type of various folks, black and white. I wanted to find a website that I could post them to that Clay county folk may attempt to identify them. Some of the photos are wonderfully preserved, others very poor. However, I hold ea. and every one of them as treasure. I will try to email you a couple to you soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Smith<

RESPONSE: Hello, Renee, Harlan Town would be a small community in Harlan Co., KY in the southeastern part of KY. Lots of people who lived in Harlan Co. worked in the coal mines there. West of Harlan Co. is Bell Co., KY. East of Harlan and the next state over is VA, Lee Co. Basically immediately south of Bell Co. is Claiborne Co., TN. I tried to pick up the Louise/Louisa and some of the other children on the 1930 but was unable to locate them. Perhaps they were either out of the state or she married or was with someone and they are listed under another surname. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Thank you SO much for this info. This appears to be my great Uncle, whom I know little of other than his name. He did live in Ohio and had a daughter named Louise. I am so very greatful to me, as this helps answer some questions I have long had. Where is Harlan at? KY or OH? Again THANK YOU. Renee <

I am overwhelmed. This list has been a GOD-SEND. I say with all sincerity and with the utmost of appreciation. I am sssooo very grateful for the information. As my grandma Lillian used to say - "The good Lord sho did put a aweful lotta things here for us to enjoy." (That being before the days of the internet and worldwide web.) Tonight I am overwhelmed with the helpful response from everyone and just wanted to send a word of thanks to the following who have given of their time to help with my very difficult search: CHARLOTTE MILLER CALVIN SMITH JOYCE COLLINS BETTY EDDY If any omissions, please forgive. THANK YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS. Turning in for tonight but will write more later. Renee Columbus, OH

Sorry Calvin, Wanted to clarify. When you said the Potters lived near the Whites, might you lend the census data on the Whites. I do remember now that a relative told me that grandma Harriett may have been in servitude to a WHITE family at some point in time. Renee Charlotte, Calvin, all others w/Clay Co. interests. I have LOTS of very old photos, some on tin-type of various folks, black and white. I wanted to find a website that I could post them to that Clay county folk may attempt to identify them. Some of the photos are wonderfully preserved, others very poor. However, I hold ea. and every one of them as treasure. I will try to email you a couple to you soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Smith Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) 1900 census indicates the following: Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s Newton son bm may 1879 21 s Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites Calvin Smith -----Original Message----- From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered Charlotte, Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers crossed). Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: CM7153@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > Charlotte, > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William POTTER or > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett is my > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave at some > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if anyone has > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > Renee Renee, I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave records. Thanks, Charlotte Miller <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

Calvin, Oh, you just don't know how much this means. To have this info offered, in that you say they lived "near the whites". Can you please help me understand how this was gleaned. Can a location be pinpointed at all? By chance any way of determining from whince Harriet came before marrying William? Someone else reported my grandmother having appeared on the census as "Mulatto" - which is new news to me. I can get no further than back than Harriett and William. I suppose I'll never find out what Harriett's surname was prior to her becoming a Potter. Thank you ever so much. Renee Columbus Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Smith Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) 1900 census indicates the following: Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s Newton son bm may 1879 21 s Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites Calvin Smith -----Original Message----- From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered Charlotte, Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers crossed). Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: CM7153@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > Charlotte, > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William POTTER or > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett is my > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave at some > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if anyone has > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > Renee Renee, I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave records. Thanks, Charlotte Miller <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

Greetings, Sure do appreciate this info. However, this raises quite a few questions. I was never told that my grandma Harriett was a Mulatto-in fact I was told she was of dark/darker complexion. Does anyone have any census records that might indicate who her parents were. This is a first - seeing her listed on Census as Mulatto. I must call my cousin who knew Harriett as a young boy to get his opinion on this. Very interesting. I appreciate everyone's help. Also, Harriett had a granddaughter named LILLIAN. She raised me. I do not see her listed in grandma Harriett's household. Do you see a Lillian POTTER anywhere. She was born in 1914 in Clay Co. and is the daughter of Louisa and granddaughter of Harriett. THANKS AGAIN. God Bless. Renee Columbus, Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: CM7153@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] Harriet Potter, 1920 Clay County Census Precinct 11 HH 46-46 POTTER Harriet Head F Mulatto 82 Wid K K Louisa D F " 38 S K K Claud GS M " 15 S K K Gilbert GS M " 10 S K K James GS M " 7 S K K Lillie GD F " 5 S K K

Thank you SO much for this info. This appears to be my great Uncle, whom I know little of other than his name. He did live in Ohio and had a daughter named Louise. I am so very greatful to me, as this helps answer some questions I have long had. Where is Harlan at? KY or OH? Again THANK YOU. Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Collins Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:44 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] POTTER RESPONSE: Adding to the information already provided to you from the 1930 Fed. Census: 1930 Harlan Co. Harlan Town Dwelling 37-39 POTTER, Claud, 25, Negro, mar. at 22, b. KY; parents b. KY . .May, wife, Negro, age 24, mar. at 21, b. VA; father b. TN; mother b. KY . .Louise, dau, Negro, age 2, b. "OHIO" JACKSON, Moses, L., Negro, 39, widow, b. KY; parents b. KY - - lodger or boarder Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Charlotte, Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein appeared one Harriett POTTER. Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William POTTER or George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett is my great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave at some point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if anyone has any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? Renee ----- Original Mess<

RESPONSE: Adding to the information already provided to you from the 1930 Fed. Census: 1930 Harlan Co. Harlan Town Dwelling 37-39 POTTER, Claud, 25, Negro, mar. at 22, b. KY; parents b. KY . .May, wife, Negro, age 24, mar. at 21, b. VA; father b. TN; mother b. KY . .Louise, dau, Negro, age 2, b. "OHIO" JACKSON, Moses, L., Negro, 39, widow, b. KY; parents b. KY - - lodger or boarder Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Charlotte, Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein appeared one Harriett POTTER. Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William POTTER or George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett is my great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave at some point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if anyone has any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? Renee ----- Original Mess<

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Do you know who his parent were? Gerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Buehler" <emily.buehler@worldnet.att.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] JOHN HENSON of 1820 Clay Co KY Census > Hi - Don;t want to confuse the issue, but my gg grand was John Bowling, > married to Sally Henson and pretty close to your dates. Don't have anything > on Paul. Areyou positive about the John Henson? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROATEN E HINSON, JR." <roaten@prodigy.net> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:33 PM > Subject: [KYCLAY] JOHN HENSON of 1820 Clay Co KY Census > > > > Is the 'JOHN HENSON' b abt 1786 Wilkes/Ashe Co NC (See 1820 Clay Co KY > Census) ... is this the same John Jack? Henson who married Mary 'Polly' > Henson on August 08, 1817 Clay Co KY? Did he marry a cousin? Anybody have > this John Henson b abt 1786 NC in their family line? Does he descend from > Paul Henson or one of his brothers? So many questions ... so few answers, > so far. Thanks for sharing. 'R.E.' > > > > > >

I do have your John Boling/Bowing in my data-base. He married Sarah 'Sally' Henson April 11, 1818 Clay Co KY. I am showing your John b abt 1797 (See 1810 Clay Co KY Census) and I am showing 'Sally' b abt 1800 Tennessee ... showing her as a possible daughter or Rev War Vet Richard Henson and Unknown Mays/Maize. I am showing Richard Henson as a possible son of 'Old' Paul Henson b abt 1810 VA (later settled in Wilkes/Ashe Co NC). Do you have anything on these people to add? Thanks for sharing. 'R.E.' -----Original Message----- From: Emily Buehler [mailto:emily.buehler@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:27 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] JOHN HENSON of 1820 Clay Co KY Census Hi - Don;t want to confuse the issue, but my gg grand was John Bowling, married to Sally Henson and pretty close to your dates. Don't have anything on Paul. Areyou positive about the John Henson? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROATEN E HINSON, JR." <roaten@prodigy.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] JOHN HENSON of 1820 Clay Co KY Census > Is the 'JOHN HENSON' b abt 1786 Wilkes/Ashe Co NC (See 1820 Clay Co KY Census) ... is this the same John Jack? Henson who married Mary 'Polly' Henson on August 08, 1817 Clay Co KY? Did he marry a cousin? Anybody have this John Henson b abt 1786 NC in their family line? Does he descend from Paul Henson or one of his brothers? So many questions ... so few answers, so far. Thanks for sharing. 'R.E.' > >

Hi - Don;t want to confuse the issue, but my gg grand was John Bowling, married to Sally Henson and pretty close to your dates. Don't have anything on Paul. Areyou positive about the John Henson? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROATEN E HINSON, JR." <roaten@prodigy.net> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] JOHN HENSON of 1820 Clay Co KY Census > Is the 'JOHN HENSON' b abt 1786 Wilkes/Ashe Co NC (See 1820 Clay Co KY Census) ... is this the same John Jack? Henson who married Mary 'Polly' Henson on August 08, 1817 Clay Co KY? Did he marry a cousin? Anybody have this John Henson b abt 1786 NC in their family line? Does he descend from Paul Henson or one of his brothers? So many questions ... so few answers, so far. Thanks for sharing. 'R.E.' > >

Are you researching "Yauger" or Yeager? I've got a Yeager-Powell connection I have some curiosity about. -----Original Message----- From: bridget perez [mailto:bridget42653@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:13 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] Roll Call Researching: Scalf Sizemore Baker Collins Diane, you wrote this roll call, would you please contact me at dsizemore2003@yahoo.com so that we can talk about our Sizemore families? Researching Collett, Asher, Bowling, Sizemore, Brock, Shepherd, Gross, Whitehead/Whited, Powell, Merrill & associated spellings, Yauger, Blackburn, and many others. Diane _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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