Gene: Yes I do have this James George in my line. Just received the info a few days ago and have no other info as yet. This is where I'm at in my research, trying to find info on Ansels' children, grand children ,etc. All but Samuel and I have a lot on him and descendents because I am in his descendent line. Just in the past few days I got in contact with GR., GR, Granddaughter of William George, fourth child of Ansel. She gave me a good line from her back to Ansel. And James was first child of William. Thank you for your reply-------Charles Baty On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:37:13 -0500 "Gene Stillings" <g_stillings@charter.net> writes: > I do have a James George in my line. > Louvina Stillings b: 1863 d: 1936 daughter of James Tilford > Stillings and > Eliza Ann Sasser > md: 15 July 1880 > James George b:1862 d: 1933 son of William George and Hannah > Reams > > Is this the James George in your line. > > Gene Stillings > Manchester, Tennessee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Guilda11133@aol.com> > To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Roll Call > > > > Gene, > > I'm sure we've talked before but guess I've forgotten that you > had > George's > > in your line. > > > > Mine are my Gran'ma, > > Sarah Elizabeth George, her Dad, > > James George, his Dad, > > Samuel, his Dad, > > Ansel then his Dad, > > John. > > > > Any of them your's? > > > > Guilda > > > > > > >

In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:41:57 PM Central Standard Time, g_stillings@charter.net writes: > I do have a James George in my line. > Louvina Stillings b: 1863 d: 1936 daughter of James Tilford Stillings and > Eliza Ann Sasser > md: 15 July 1880 > James George b:1862 d: 1933 son of William George and Hannah Reams Thank you, Gene, for your reply. No, I'm sorry. My James George was the son of Samuel, who was the son of Ansel. Do any of these sound familiar? Wonder if maybe your William was a brother to my Samuel? Thanks again, Guilda

Their is a John Ansil George b: 11 Feb 1916 md: Eula Chestnut. His parents are: William Arthur George b: 1883 d: 1950 md: July 1902 Amanda Jones Could this be your Ansil George? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: <Guilda11133@aol.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Roll Call > In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:41:57 PM Central Standard Time, > g_stillings@charter.net writes: > > > I do have a James George in my line. > > Louvina Stillings b: 1863 d: 1936 daughter of James Tilford Stillings and > > Eliza Ann Sasser > > md: 15 July 1880 > > James George b:1862 d: 1933 son of William George and Hannah Reams > > Thank you, Gene, for your reply. > No, I'm sorry. My James George was the son of Samuel, who was the son of > Ansel. > Do any of these sound familiar? Wonder if maybe your William was a brother to > my Samuel? > > Thanks again, > Guilda > >

I do have a James George in my line. Louvina Stillings b: 1863 d: 1936 daughter of James Tilford Stillings and Eliza Ann Sasser md: 15 July 1880 James George b:1862 d: 1933 son of William George and Hannah Reams Is this the James George in your line. Gene Stillings Manchester, Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: <Guilda11133@aol.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Roll Call > Gene, > I'm sure we've talked before but guess I've forgotten that you had George's > in your line. > > Mine are my Gran'ma, > Sarah Elizabeth George, her Dad, > James George, his Dad, > Samuel, his Dad, > Ansel then his Dad, > John. > > Any of them your's? > > Guilda > >

Mr. smith is this Jimmy Hoskins the son of James and Lorene Hoskins on east 80 on the road to Manchester from London Ky ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Smith To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: [KYCLAY] Manchester, Clay Co., KY, Obits, June 2003 Note, the dates are day of death. June 1, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Jimmy Hoskins, 32, Goose Rock, husband of Lisa Hoskins, died Sunday. Services 1 p.m. today, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 9 a.m. today. June 5, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Lizzie Swafford, 70, Otter Creek, homemaker, wife of Hobert Swafford, died Thursday. Services 2 p.m. Sunday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 8, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Roy Gray, 91, former heavy equipment operator and bus driver, widower of Effie Mills Gray, died Sunday. Services 1 p.m. Wednesday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 9, 2003 MANCHESTER -- J.C. Roberts, 50, Hima, husband of Tammy Roberts, died Monday. Services 11 a.m. Thursday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 10, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Argene Arnett, 65, Town Branch Road, retired Shamrock Coal employee, husband of Susan Arnett, died yesterday. Services 2 p.m. Thursday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 12, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Homer Weaver, 64, retired Clay County Jailer, husband of Pauline Weaver, died Thursday. Services 2 p.m. Sunday, Romin-ger Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 14, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Edith Hooker, 78, widow of Charlie "Mac" Hooker, died Saturday. Services 2 p.m. today, Rominger Funeral Home. Visitation 9 a.m. today. June 14, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Sylvania Nolen, 88, Hebron, died Saturday. Services 2 p.m. Wednesday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 10 a.m. Wednesday. June 14, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Elihu Smith, 82, Greenbriar, retired miner, husband of Alice Smith, veteran of World War II, died Saturday. Services 10 a.m. Tuesday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 15, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Easter Roberts, 94, widow of Willie Roberts, died Sunday. Services 3 p.m. today, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 9 a.m. today. June 16, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Felix Carmack, 96, Big Creek, retired farmer, husband of Sallie Ann Carmack, died Monday. Services noon Thursday, Bear Branch Baptist Church, Leslie County. Visitation 4 p.m. today, church. Arrangements, Britton Funeral Home. June 25, 2003 MANCHESTER -- David Homer Mills, 45, Brightshade, son of Ruth Mills, Brightshade, died Wednesday. Services 1 p.m. today, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 9 a.m. today. June 27, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Clyde Napier, 52, Gray Fork, retired mine foreman, Vietnam War veteran, son of Verna Napier, died Friday. Services 2 p.m. Monday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 28, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Marie Sester, 74, Crane Creek, wife of Grant Sester, died Saturday. Services 11 a.m. Tuesday, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 6 p.m. today. June 29, 2003 MANCHESTER -- Crit Gambrel, 69, Brightshade, retired school system custodian, husband of Esselene Gambrel, died Sunday. Services 2 p.m. today, Britton Funeral Home. Visitation 9 a.m. today.

Gene, I'm sure we've talked before but guess I've forgotten that you had George's in your line. Mine are my Gran'ma, Sarah Elizabeth George, her Dad, James George, his Dad, Samuel, his Dad, Ansel then his Dad, John. Any of them your's? Guilda

Looking for obit info on Esther Davis who died in Phelps, Ky. Not sure of the year. Her husband was Charlie Davis and they had no children. She was my aunt and I am trying to find out when she died. Thanks

My grandfather: John, Johnie, or Johnny Seale. Born January 1, 1887. There were two Seal(Seale) brothers that came to Owsley Co. in about the 1840s. They were Joseph and John King Seal. They were from Lee Co, Va or Hancock Co, TN. It's the same place, the borders just changed. I have come to believe that my grandfather most likely came from the John K. line, because when he attended Berea College in 1906/1907, his mailing address was Major, KY which was in the Island Creek area. John K. and his family lived in that area while Joseph and his family lived in the Booneville area. So I have wondered if maybe John K. was Johnie's grandfather. I don't know. This is pretty much all I have. I appreciate your help. Stephanie This message is from a lady whose Father Johnny Seal is dying of cancer and is trying to locate some of his family before he dies. Can anyone help her. Thank You, Nancy

Betty, thanks for the information, I have Maggie married to a Dan Smith. It was late last night when I sent this email. It should be Maggie Hyatt Smith!!! Do you know if they were listed as white? I was told that Nervesta was Native American. Do you know how I can find out when Nervesta died? I'm new to all of this. thank you, Tracy Hackman Tlclearspring@aol.com

Don't know what time frame you are researching, but from the book Clay County, Kentucky Marriage Index 1807 - 1923, sold by the Clay Co. Historical Society, is this: William HYATT to Nervesty BAKER 21 Aug 1889 Box 23. Is it not odd that Maggie, d/o Nervesty Baker, and this Nervesty Baker both marry a William Hyatt? Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Tlclearspring@aol.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] william hyatt i am still looking for information on William Hyatt and wife Maggie Baker Hyatt. I got some information from someone and i'm not sure if it was the same family. Also looking for information on Maggie's mother, Nervesta. thanks Tlclearspring@aol.com

I'm searching for descendants of John Couch and Mary Jones, see chart below. Several s.e. counties so please look through for any familiar people. Thanks, Kathleen Couch Latshaw Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com Descendants of John Couch & Mary Jones, Clay Co. Kentucky -------------------------------------------- 1-John COUCH b: 1816, Kentucky +Mary JONES b: 1811, Harlan Co. Kentucky 2-Rachael COUCH b: 1834, Kentucky 2-Levi COUCH b: 9 May 1844, Perry Co. Kentucky, d: 2 Feb 1914 +Ibby HOLLAND b: 25 Mar 1844, Tennessee, par: Richard HOLLAND and Margaret HENSLEY 3-John COUCH b: 1864, Kentucky 3-David COUCH b: 1866, Kentucky 3-William COUCH b: 1867, Clay Co. Kentucky, d: 8 Sep 1933, Louisville, Jefferson Co. Kentucky 3-Richard COUCH b: 23 Mar 1868, Leslie Co. Kentucky, d: 4 May 1946, New Zion, Jackson Co. Kentucky +Millie Ann GUM b: 1874, Lee Co. Kentucky, m: 17 Aug 1893, Lee Co. Kentucky 4-Ada COUCH b: 1895 4-Daily COUCH b: 1897 4-Dora COUCH b: 1898 4-Bonnie COUCH b: 1902 4-Brenton COUCH b: 1906 4-Lilie COUCH b: 1907 4-Hattie COUCH b: 1910 4-Zella COUCH b: 1913 3-Marzena COUCH b: 1871, Kentucky 3-Farmer COUCH b: May 1872, Kentucky, d: 5 Mar 1940, Lexington, Fayette Co. Kentucky +Patience JAMESON b: 1871, Clay Co. Kentucky, m: 30 Aug 1894, Lee Co. Kentucky, par: John D JAMESON and Sarah SPENCER 4-Ethel COUCH b: 1895 4-Robert L COUCH b: 1897 4-Nora H COUCH b: 1900 4-Willie COUCH b: 1902 4-Daisy COUCH b: 1903 4-Isabella COUCH b: 1904 4-Elna COUCH b: 1907 4-Pauline COUCH b: 1909 4-Farmer COUCH Jr b: 1912 4-Samuel COUCH b: 1913 3-Owen COUCH b: 1875, Kentucky +Edna McPHERSON b: 1883 4-Willard COUCH b: 1904 4-Effie COUCH b: 1905 3-Polly Jane COUCH b: 1877, Kentucky 3-Dillard COUCH b: 1878, Wolfe Co. Kentucky, d: 1954, Tampa Florida +Lucy Belle MINTER b: 1879, Jackson Co. Kentucky, d: Feb 1960, Hillsborough Florida, par: William MINTER and Eliza CARMACK 4-Grace Burnia COUCH b: 8 Dec 1906, Pulaski Co. Kentucky, d: 3 Nov 1996, Ft. Thomas Kentucky 4-Dillard G COUCH b: 10 Mar 1917, Somerset Kentucky, d: 7 Nov 1961, Cincinnati Ohio 4-Virgie COUCH b: 1904 4-Lucy COUCH b: 1915 4-Mary COUCH b: 8 Nov 1907, d: 13 Aug 1990 4-Mildred COUCH b: 1920 4-Virginia COUCH b: 1912 4-Violet COUCH b: 1922 3-Nancy COUCH b: 1880, Kentucky 3-Stephen COUCH b: 1884, Flat, Wolfe Co. Kentucky +Julia WILSON, b. Switzerland 4-Goldy COUCH b: 1908 4-Elmer COUCH b: 1909 4-William COUCH b: 1 Nov 1913, Moore's Creek, Jackson Co. Kentucky, d: 9 Nov 1913, Moore's Creek, Jackson Co. Kentucky 4-Edna COUCH b: 1 Aug 1915, Moore's Creek, Jackson Co. Kentucky, d: 3 Aug 1915, Moore's Creek, Jackson Co. Kentucky 2-Sarah Gail COUCH b: 26 Aug 1845, Clay Co. Kentucky, d: 8 Apr 1923, Proctor Oklahoma +David HOLLAND b: 16 Aug 1836, Washington Co. Tennessee, d: 24 Mar 1923, Proctor Oklahoma, par: Richard HOLLAND and Margaret HENSLEY 3-Joseph HOLLAND b: 30 Jul 1867 +Martha Ann MARSHALL b: 9 Dec 1888, d: 18 Nov 1940, Arizona 3-Nancy HOLLAND b: 30 Apr 1869 3-Lucy HOLLAND b: 30 Nov 1871 3-Rachel HOLLAND b: 28 Feb 1874 3-Mary HOLLAND b: 26 Sep 1876 3-Martha HOLLAND b: 28 Jan 1878 3-Emma HOLLAND b: 19 Feb 1881, Kentucky, d: 1977, Oklahoma +Ezekiel JONES b: 28 Jul 1878, d: 1960, Oklahoma, par: Milton JONES and Mary A COOK 3-Auther HOLLAND b: 12 Sep 1883 3-Ibbie HOLLAND b: 17 Apr 1885 3-Parlee HOLLAND b: 4 Oct 1887, Fallsville Arkansas, d: 3 Apr 1977 +John J EASTEP b: 22 Aug 1879, Manchester Kentucky, d: 10 Mar 1959, m: 16 Jun 1905, Newton Co. Arkansas, par: Eli EASTEP and Catherine ROBERTS 4-Dovie Ellen EASTEP b: 29 Jun 1906

i am still looking for information on William Hyatt and wife Maggie Baker Hyatt. I got some information from someone and i'm not sure if it was the same family. Also looking for information on Maggie's mother, Nervesta. thanks Tlclearspring@aol.com

I'm trying to find James Monroe Creech below in the family of Henry B Creech and Elizabeth Kelly. I'm not sure I have him in the correct family or not. I have purchased or tried to purchase that is, the marriage and death indexes but they haven't arrived yet. They may be in Harlan County as well. Descendants of Henry B Creech Generation No. 1 1. HENRY B1 CREECH was born 1820 in Kentucky. He married ELIZABETH KELLY 13 February 1840 in Harlan County, Kentucky, daughter of ISAAC KELLY and CYNTHIA PARKER. She was born 13 May 1820 in Harlan County, Kentucky. Children of HENRY CREECH and ELIZABETH KELLY are: i. MARTHA2 CREECH, b. 1842, Kentucky. ii. SALLY CREECH, b. 1844, Kentucky; m. ALLEN MORRIS HUFF, 1860, Harlan County, Kentucky. iii. ALBERT V CREECH, b. 1848, Harlan County, Kentucky. iv. JAMES MONROE CREECH, b. 10 April 1855; d. 19 April 1939; m. NANCY PENNINGTON, 26 February 1874, Clay County, Kentucky; b. 13 April 1856, Perry County, Kentucky; d. 14 April 1944. Sue Ann Hornung Morrow Kygal@tampabay.rr.com Gulfport FL researching since 1973 Please visit my website at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/o/r/Sue-Morrow-Gulfport/ and my NEW webite at: http://www.geocities.com/suekygal2003/ Very Interested in families from Bell, Clay, Edmonson, Grayson, Hardin, Harlan, Knox, Laurel, and Rockcastle Counties in Kentucky, also Claiborne and Grainger Counties in Tennessee

Sorry that link was too long try this http://maps.yahoo.com/ then enter "Smith Rd" with a zip code of 40962 Calvin Smith Louisville, Ky. -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Smith [mailto:smithcalvin@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 6:01 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) I am not sure where the White families lived but General Garrard lived on Ham Branch Road where Daniel Boone parkway crosses over it. This map should point this out. http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&ed=D9I2u.p_0ToOTI7Y7KspBzUXmwt njVwaZGWNjpd0C_aOe4l6y328Kcm5Pbh56DklQr17L7CQ.dll27hISw--&csz=Manchester ,+KY+40962-7502&country=us&cs=8&name=&desc=&poititle=&poi=&uz=40962&ds=n &BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=9&off=s I remember the salt water wells being located near the intersections of Ham Branch and Smith Road (love that name). Every time Dad had a well drilled, he would hit salt water, which did not make him very happy. My Grandfather "Woodson Smith" bought the land West of Ham branch and Betty Eddy's relatives owned the land East of Ham Branch "Paces Creek". Calvin Smith Louisville, Ky. PS. Goose Creek runs along the railroad tracks. -----Original Message----- From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:34 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) Calvin, Did these WHITES live in the proximity of Goose Creek? Do you know? Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: jess wilson Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:09 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) Renee, When they rererred to "the white`s" they may have been talking about the WHITES, one of the first and most prominent families in Clay County. Jess Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Smith" <hrsmith40@msn.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > Calvin, > Oh, you just don't know how much this means. To have this info offered, in that you say they lived "near the whites". Can you please help me understand how this was gleaned. Can a location be pinpointed at all? By chance any way of determining from whince Harriet came before marrying William? Someone else reported my grandmother having appeared on the census as "Mulatto" - which is new news to me. I can get no further than back than Harriett and William. I suppose I'll never find out what Harriett's surname was prior to her becoming a Potter. > Thank you ever so much. > Renee > Columbus Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Calvin Smith > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > > 1900 census indicates the following: > Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 > Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living > Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s > Newton son bm may 1879 21 s > Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s > Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s > They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites > > Calvin Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > Charlotte, > Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers > crossed). > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CM7153@aol.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > > > Charlotte, > > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > > > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William > POTTER or > > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett > is my > > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave > at some > > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if > anyone has > > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > > Renee > > Renee, > > I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave > records. > > Thanks, > Charlotte Miller > <A > HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya > hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

I am not sure where the White families lived but General Garrard lived on Ham Branch Road where Daniel Boone parkway crosses over it. This map should point this out. http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&ed=D9I2u.p_0ToOTI7Y7KspBzUXmwt njVwaZGWNjpd0C_aOe4l6y328Kcm5Pbh56DklQr17L7CQ.dll27hISw--&csz=Manchester ,+KY+40962-7502&country=us&cs=8&name=&desc=&poititle=&poi=&uz=40962&ds=n &BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=9&off=s I remember the salt water wells being located near the intersections of Ham Branch and Smith Road (love that name). Every time Dad had a well drilled, he would hit salt water, which did not make him very happy. My Grandfather "Woodson Smith" bought the land West of Ham branch and Betty Eddy's relatives owned the land East of Ham Branch "Paces Creek". Calvin Smith Louisville, Ky. PS. Goose Creek runs along the railroad tracks. -----Original Message----- From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:34 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) Calvin, Did these WHITES live in the proximity of Goose Creek? Do you know? Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: jess wilson Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:09 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) Renee, When they rererred to "the white`s" they may have been talking about the WHITES, one of the first and most prominent families in Clay County. Jess Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Smith" <hrsmith40@msn.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > Calvin, > Oh, you just don't know how much this means. To have this info offered, in that you say they lived "near the whites". Can you please help me understand how this was gleaned. Can a location be pinpointed at all? By chance any way of determining from whince Harriet came before marrying William? Someone else reported my grandmother having appeared on the census as "Mulatto" - which is new news to me. I can get no further than back than Harriett and William. I suppose I'll never find out what Harriett's surname was prior to her becoming a Potter. > Thank you ever so much. > Renee > Columbus Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Calvin Smith > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:25 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered (William Potter) > > 1900 census indicates the following: > Potter William head bm apr 1831 69 m 31 > Harriet wife bf may 1848 52 m 31 12 kids 6 living > Steven son bm sep 1870 29 s > Newton son bm may 1879 21 s > Louise dau bf apr 1882 18 s > Lilly gdau bf aug 1889 10 s > They were listed as day laborers living near the Whites > > Calvin Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:59 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > Charlotte, > Thank you kindly for helping. Shall await word from you (fingers > crossed). > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CM7153@aol.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:57 PM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Look-ups offered > > In a message dated 7/25/03 5:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > > > Charlotte, > > Thank you for the offer. Trying to locate any census records wherein > > > appeared one Harriett POTTER. > > Harriett would be listed under the household of either a William > POTTER or > > George POTTER. She had a daughter named Louise (or Louisa). Harriett > is my > > great, grandma. She was black, and I was told she was likely a slave > at some > > point in time. I am having a grave time of this. Do you know if > anyone has > > any records pertaining to slaves in Manchester? > > Renee > > Renee, > > I will look and get back with you. I don't know anything about slave > records. > > Thanks, > Charlotte Miller > <A > HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/">http://groups.ya > hoo.com/group/Our_Sharing_Place/</A>

In a message dated 8/4/03 4:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BYRDBALL@aol.com writes: > My cousin Marred Henry Smith > Bertha Ball &Henry Smith Marred 26 april 1919 clay co ky no childing > Edith Ball > Edith, Ok, thank you. Charlotte

My cousin Marred Henry Smith Bertha Ball & Henry Smith Marred 26 april 1919 clay co ky no childing Edith Ball

I found this Henry and Susan Smith on the 1880 Clay County Census and I was wondering which Henry and Susan this is because I have a Henry and Susannah Smith with Hiram Harrison Smith as their only child and I was wondering if this is the same couple. Thanks, Charlotte Miller   Household Record  1880 United States Census   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp?fn5=henry&ln5=smith&ffn5=&fln5=&mfn5=&mln5=&sfn5=&sln5=&ei5=1&td5=&fd5=&j15=US&j25=SCAR&j35=&j45=&sdz5=&dr5=0&dri5=0&bn5=&sr5=&flmn5=&flen5=&sbn5=&Scn5=&r5=%2D1&rf5=&j1f5=United+States&j2f5=South+Carolina&j3f5=&j4f5=&LDS5=5&r_g5=&p_s_n5=&c_hfn5=&c_hln5=&c_s5=KTKY&c_c5=19&c_t5=7&c_r5=W&c_rf5=White&c_locf5=Big Creek, Clay, Kentucky&c_nm5=1880 United States Census&c_cd5=1880US&LDS=5">Search results</A> |  <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record_gedcom.asp?HH_CODE=1880US_13490908&HH_SUBSET=1">Download</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_13490907&frompage=5">Previous Household</A>   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_13490909&frompage=5">Next Household</A>   Household:  Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace  <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_0&frompage=5">Henry SMITH</A>   Self   M   Male   W   76   SC      SC   SC   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_1&frompage=5">Susan SMITH</A>1   Wife   M   Female   W   74   SC      SC   SC   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_2&frompage=5">John WOMBLES</A>2   SonL   M   Male   W   28   SC   Farmer   SC   SC   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_3&frompage=5">Nancy WOMBLES</A>   Dau   M   Female   W   28   KY   Keeping House   SC   SC   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_4&frompage=5">Rolin WOMBLES</A>   GSon   S   Male   W   8   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_5&frompage=5">Julius WOMBLES</A>   GSon   S   Male   W   7   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_6&frompage=5">Francis WOMBLES</A>   GDau   S   Female   W   5   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_7&frompage=5">Ellen WOMBLES</A>   GDau   S   Female   W   4   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_8&frompage=5">Purthenia WOMBLES</A>   GDau   S   Female   W   3   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_9&frompage=5">Butler WOMBLES</A>3   GSon   S   Male   W   2   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_10&frompage=5">Boon WOMBLES</A>4   GSon   S   Male   W   5M   KY      KY   KY   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_13490908_11&frompage=5">Louisa SMITH</A>   Sister   S   Female   W   15   KY      KY   KY  Notes   1MISSING 1   2HCP ENTRY   3MISSING 1   4HCP ENTRY Source Information:   Census Place Big Creek, Clay, Kentucky   Family History Library Film   <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1254410">1254410</A>   NA Film Number   T9-0410   Page Number   >568D</A>   

In a message dated 8/4/03 1:28:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hrsmith40@msn.com writes: > > > Charlotte, > I'm resigned to the fact that the Lillie listed is likely the woman who > raised me - Lillian. What a revelation this has been. She appears on one Census > as Lillian (1920) but on the others as Lillie. This has really thrown me > off, as I have been told that Lillian had a SISTER named Lillie. > Renee Renee, I have had things like that happen too. I had been looking for my great grandmother's death record. Her name was Melzelia, and I found one on the Kentucky death record site that was Nell Z. and sent for it and it was her. So alot of the time, the records are wrong. Like a James will be listed as Jim or an Elizabeth will be listed as Bessie. Good luck, Charlotte

I worked at the Wright Pat Foreign Technology Division in the late 60's and 70's. I never saw anything quite that foreign. I do remember an unconfirmed rumor going around when we first landed on the Moon. I was said they found four Kentuckians in a 1953 Ford looking for a job. Calvin Smith Louisville, Ky. -----Original Message----- From: Renee Smith [mailto:hrsmith40@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:12 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] Thoughts on the field Well well. Just goes to show you - one should never be too hasty to judge. You can't tell a book by how it's cover looks, nor how it sounds. Did you ever hear anything about those aliens they keep out at the field? ----- Original Message ----- From: jess wilson Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:09 PM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] ADAM WAS BLACK Renne, Of one thing I brag is that when I applied for employment at Patterson Field ,I with others were given an examination. When I reported to start work a few days later, I was told that I had made the highest score of anyone who had applied before that time. One reason I like to brag about this is that many people regarded me as nothing more than a poor Kentucky Hillbilly just because my language sounded different. I was as good an Aircraft Sheetmetal Mechanic as ever worked at that field. That is a statement, not a brag. JESS WILSON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Smith" <hrsmith40@msn.com> To: <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] ADAM WAS BLACK > Hi Jess, > Would love to discuss more w/you about Dayton post WWII. Lots of KY folk flocked to Dayton to work at "The Field". > Renee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jess wilson > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:55 AM > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYCLAY] ADAM WAS BLACK > > ADAM WAS BLACK > > By Jess Wilson > > During World War Two we lived and I worked in Dayton. Ohio. After a night shift I was coming home from work on the Third Street streetcar when a middle aged black man, probably a minister, sat down beside me. He said, "In the beginning everyone was black like me." He said it in a tone that indicated he expected an argument. > > My answer was more with a shrug of my shoulder than a mild, "So what?", which may have been because it was after my bed time or it may have been the indoctrination I had received at the Berea Foundation School. The motto of the school was, "God hath made of one blood, all nations of men." > > Anthropological findings of recent years and the tenet of "survival of the fittest" prove that the man was right. Mankind evolved in sunny Africa. Those who had more pigment in their skin had a greater survival rate. As humans migrated north, those who had less pigment in their skin had a greater survival rate. The rate may have been very slight, maybe only one or a very few individuals per century, but there are a great many centuries in a million years and we are speaking of multi-millions of years. > > The importance of the amount of pigment is due to the fact that a very important vitamin is produced in the body by the action of sunlight on the body. There are other factors as well The amount of this vitamin D is important to good health. Too much or too little is of great importance. Thus, the more or less pigment in a persons skin is important. Therefor, African races are black, Mediterranean races are brown and Scandianian races are white. > > If our Faith is such that we can read the Bible with understanding and at the same time accept the latest findings of our best thinkers we can agree with the African-American preacher that Adam and Eve were black like him.