Sorry, I sent the previous message before signing it. I'd realized I'd be late to church if I didn't hurray, so I hit "send" too quick. Mary Sue Hubbard (Mrs. Ronnie) Murray, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Sue To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Similiar Discrepencies on 2 Hubbard marriage bonds I would appreciate your help investigating a mystery. While reviewing my files to reply to a query on this list, I discovered a similiar discrepency that was made twice. I had known about the discrepancy on Vardaman (Hubbard/Jones) marriage bond, but thought it was a mistake made by the Court Clerk. Now that I've discovered a similiar discrepancy in the body of Benjamin Hubbard's (Jones) marriage bond, which was written 23 years before Vardaman's and by a different court clerk, I'm not so sure. Benjamin Hubbard is thought to be the father of Vardaman Hubbard. #1 Marriage bond Clay County, April 15, 1824, for Benjamin Hubbard & Sally May. Discrepency: Throughout the bond, which can be easily read, it refers to Benjamin as a "Hubbard," except the sentence "to authorise a marriage intended between the sd Benjamin Jones & Sally May." The bond was signed by Benjamin Hubbard & Samuel Jones All other records I have seen in 20 years of researching this family list Benjamin "Hubbard." This includes census and legal records from Ashe Co NC where he lived with his (father & brothers?) before coming to Madison County KY ca 1810. Benjamin also gave a deposition to help a Wm. Henson's widow obtain a Revolutionary War pension. In the depositon he gave his name as Benjamin Hubbard and said he was partly raised in Wilkes Co NC near Wm Henson. (Ashe was split from Wilkes) #2 Marriage bond Clay County, March 19, 1847, for Vardaman Jones Sally Smallwood*. Discrepency: Throughout the bond, which can be easily read, it refers to Vardaman as a "Jones." All other references I discovered about Vardaman have listed him as "Hubbard." About 15 years ago I met Vardaman's granddaughter, who was in her 90's. When I asked her if "Grandpa Varde" was a Hubbard or a Jones, she became aggitated and stated emphatically that he was a "Hubbard!" She said she remembered him well. I stopped researching the Jones matter after that. In "The Ebersole Families In America - 1727-1937," p103: "Sally Eversole; m. William Smallwood; d; m(2) William Dennis; d.; m(3) Vardman (no last name listed).... Sally had "13 sons; 10 served under u. S. Grant. Four were killed in battle" Sally May Smallwood & Wm. Smallwood's Children: 1. Thomas S. m. Kit May: [issue: Server S. m. Nancy Hubbard; Suner S. 2. Suner S. Sally May Smallwood Dennis and Wm. Dennis's Children: 3. Levy D., a Union soldier killed in war. 4. James Dennis., killed in Civil War. Sally May Smallwood Dennis Hubbard & Vardaman's Children: 5. Esquire H. m. Zilly Ann Smith; 5 children; 6. Fred; m. Pebby Gray; 11 children; 7. May; m. Amanda Jones; 8. Isaac; m. Julia Ann Gray; 7 children; - this is my husband's great grandparents, through his son, Thomas Hubbard 9. John, moved to Knox Co., KY. 10. William, Killed in Civil War. 11. Lewis, killed in Civil War; 12. Joe, went to VA. 13. Larkin, went west. Thomas Hubbard and his large family lived near the Vincent Jones family in Ashe Co. NC before both families came to KY, according to the 1800 census. In Clay Co. Court records, June 15, 1816, William Jones of Clay Co deeded to "Daniel Steward, Isaac Jones, and John Beley, trustees to the intended establishment, all of Clay Co......Jones grants a tract of land in Clay Co on Goose Creek (bounded by the land William Jones lives on) for "purpose of erecting a Meeting House which is to be free and open to all religious societies and their preachers being in full fellowship with their own societies, reserving for the Baptist the preferance on their monthly meeting days. Wt. Benjamin Hurrbard, Vincent Jones. Clerk: Abner Baker

I would appreciate your help investigating a mystery. While reviewing my files to reply to a query on this list, I discovered a similiar discrepency that was made twice. I had known about the discrepancy on Vardaman (Hubbard/Jones) marriage bond, but thought it was a mistake made by the Court Clerk. Now that I've discovered a similiar discrepancy in the body of Benjamin Hubbard's (Jones) marriage bond, which was written 23 years before Vardaman's and by a different court clerk, I'm not so sure. Benjamin Hubbard is thought to be the father of Vardaman Hubbard. #1 Marriage bond Clay County, April 15, 1824, for Benjamin Hubbard & Sally May. Discrepency: Throughout the bond, which can be easily read, it refers to Benjamin as a "Hubbard," except the sentence "to authorise a marriage intended between the sd Benjamin Jones & Sally May." The bond was signed by Benjamin Hubbard & Samuel Jones All other records I have seen in 20 years of researching this family list Benjamin "Hubbard." This includes census and legal records from Ashe Co NC where he lived with his (father & brothers?) before coming to Madison County KY ca 1810. Benjamin also gave a deposition to help a Wm. Henson's widow obtain a Revolutionary War pension. In the depositon he gave his name as Benjamin Hubbard and said he was partly raised in Wilkes Co NC near Wm Henson. (Ashe was split from Wilkes) #2 Marriage bond Clay County, March 19, 1847, for Vardaman Jones Sally Smallwood*. Discrepency: Throughout the bond, which can be easily read, it refers to Vardaman as a "Jones." All other references I discovered about Vardaman have listed him as "Hubbard." About 15 years ago I met Vardaman's granddaughter, who was in her 90's. When I asked her if "Grandpa Varde" was a Hubbard or a Jones, she became aggitated and stated emphatically that he was a "Hubbard!" She said she remembered him well. I stopped researching the Jones matter after that. In "The Ebersole Families In America - 1727-1937," p103: "Sally Eversole; m. William Smallwood; d; m(2) William Dennis; d.; m(3) Vardman (no last name listed).... Sally had "13 sons; 10 served under u. S. Grant. Four were killed in battle" Sally May Smallwood & Wm. Smallwood's Children: 1. Thomas S. m. Kit May: [issue: Server S. m. Nancy Hubbard; Suner S. 2. Suner S. Sally May Smallwood Dennis and Wm. Dennis's Children: 3. Levy D., a Union soldier killed in war. 4. James Dennis., killed in Civil War. Sally May Smallwood Dennis Hubbard & Vardaman's Children: 5. Esquire H. m. Zilly Ann Smith; 5 children; 6. Fred; m. Pebby Gray; 11 children; 7. May; m. Amanda Jones; 8. Isaac; m. Julia Ann Gray; 7 children; - this is my husband's great grandparents, through his son, Thomas Hubbard 9. John, moved to Knox Co., KY. 10. William, Killed in Civil War. 11. Lewis, killed in Civil War; 12. Joe, went to VA. 13. Larkin, went west. Thomas Hubbard and his large family lived near the Vincent Jones family in Ashe Co. NC before both families came to KY, according to the 1800 census. In Clay Co. Court records, June 15, 1816, William Jones of Clay Co deeded to "Daniel Steward, Isaac Jones, and John Beley, trustees to the intended establishment, all of Clay Co......Jones grants a tract of land in Clay Co on Goose Creek (bounded by the land William Jones lives on) for "purpose of erecting a Meeting House which is to be free and open to all religious societies and their preachers being in full fellowship with their own societies, reserving for the Baptist the preferance on their monthly meeting days. Wt. Benjamin Hurrbard, Vincent Jones. Clerk: Abner Baker

There will be a combined Nelson/Johnson Reunion at the Farmer's Grove Baptist Church Fellowship Hall in the Blockhouse Valley area of Anderson County on July 15th, beginning at 11:00 for the descendants of John Johnson and Eliza Hensley Johnson and Jave Nelson and Ellen Evans Nelson. John and Eliza's son, Rev. John Johnson, pastored several Baptist churches in the Anderson County area, including Farmer's Grove, New Salem, Zion and Spring Hill. Rev. John Johnson's daughter Elene married David Nelson. The elder John was born in Rockbridge County, Virginia in 1814. Jave Nelson is thought to be a direct descendant of Joseph Anderson for whom Anderson County is named. Ellen's parents, Thomas and Permelia York Evans, came to East Tennessee from Knox County, Kentucky following the Civil War. John and Eliza Johnson's children included Jerome, George, Napoleon, John, Thomas, Mary, William, Martha, Demarcus, Samintha and Richard. Jave and Ellen Nelson's children included David, Henry, Catherine, Frank, Tom, Cynthia, Page, Taylor, Sam and Clara. A covered dish lunch will be served at the reunion around noon. Following lunch, there will be fun, games and prizes for the kids and music for the older folks to enjoy. Bring your musical instruments if you want to join in. We will have the usual displays including family histories, pictures, books and other memorabilia. Family and friends are all welcome. For more information, contact Carolyn Johnson at 865-457-3076 or by e-mail at <mamawcarolyn@peoplepc.com> or Marie Guy at 865-457-2423.

Barb: I will be sending another e-mail which follows this explaining in detail how the Angie and Peggy, two granddaughters of Arthur and Ida Jackson resolved everything. This is written here as I did not want to spoil the story of Ida with comments here. According to Kentucky statutes and law a marriage license is given to one or two parties which in itself then has to be filled out with names of two wittnesses and of the person who solemized a wedding if one took place. I have already scanned you the Marriage License as applied by Philip Cox on 20 February 1939 to marry one Ida Jackson. The results of this license was never returned and therefore by Kentucky law Philip Cox and Ida Jackson are not considered as married. However here we should note that Ida JACKSON died within 37 days of the application of this license and I have furnished you the results of the Death Certificate which is mind-boggling to this writer. At any rate Ida Jackson was given a death certificate as Ida Cox and her husband listed as Philip Cox. With this we shall let things ly, but there is more to this story which could be said but best to let Ida rest in peace. Another e-mail to follow shortly. God Bless and God Bless Arthur and Ida Jackson and their descendants. Harold "Hal" Smith

JAMES JOHN HACKER B. 9-5-1854 D._______ SON OF GRANVILLE HACKER AND ANNA NANTZ HE MARRIED SUSAN NAPIER NAME APPEARS AS JOHN JAMES IN 1860 AND 70 CLAY CENSUS CHANGE TO JAMES IN 1880 LESLIE 1910 ,1920 LESLIE HIS FAMILY MISSING FROM 1910 CENSUS IN 1910 SAYS HAD 8 CHILDREN 7 ALIVE. I HAVE 4. NEED HELP TO FIND THE OTHER 3. 1,FRANK HACKER B. 1877 2.JOHN HACKER B.1879 WHO DID HE MARRY? 3. 4 5 6WILLIAM HACKER 1889-91 7.HENRY C. HACKER B. ONE POSSIBLE COULD BE JACK/JACKSON HACKER B 1884-6 SINCE HE IS LIVING IN LESLIE CO AND FIX IN THE GAP THANK YOU FOR HELP LOCATING THE 3 MISSING CHILDREN JAMES E WELCH

I WANT TO THANK AGAIN EVERYONE THAT HELP WITH THE FIRST 4 QUESTION. NEED TO KNOW THE PARENTS OF SALLIE HACKER B.1876( IN 4 CENSUS) BUT TS HAS 3-15-1871 SHE MARRIED ON 4-24-1896 CLAY TO ELI BOWLING BOTH BURIED IN HENSLEY CEM ON HW 11 IN CLAY CO (AS COMBS) BUT ON THE 1920 AND 1930 AND CHILDREN MARRAGE RECORD THEY ALL CHANGE THERE NAME TO COMBS I HAVE THERE 7 CHILDREN ONLY NEED TO KNOW SALLIE HACKER PARENTS NAME. THANK YOU JAMES E WELCH

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: DRD100@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:28 AM To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Hubbard and Gray I appreciate all your help. You and Calvin have been very helpful and I hope to learn more from both of you. Also, you mentioned a Yahoo group before, how can I join that? ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send a NEW email with only the command unsubscribe to: KYCLAY-L-request@rootsweb.com for list or KYCLAY-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest.

I want to thank everyone who helped me find fagan. JoAnn, Indianapolis, IN

According to Rootsweb Town and County Fagan is Menifee County,Ky Emma From: "JoAnn Rowe" <jarindy@comcast.net> Reply-To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYCLAY] Fagan Kentucky ? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:02:28 -0400 On a WWI draft registration my relative Edgar & his mother Armina Combs Burgess are listed as living in Fagan, Ky. I can not find this town on the map. Does anyone know if the town name changed? Or is it still there and so small it is not listed. Would appreciate any information someone might know. JoAnn, Indianapolis, IN ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== You can search Kentucky death records 1911-2000 here: http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi

NEED HELP SINCE THE CLAY CO. CLERK DID NOT FILL IN FAMILY INFO ON 1-9-1892 GEORGE DEZARN MARRIED NANNIE E.HACKER AT HER HOUSE. WHO WAS HER PARENTS.?SHE POSSIBLE COULD BE A WID OR DIV FROM A HACKER COULD NOT FINE THE FAMILY IN 1900 CLAY ON 10-9-1907 JAMES DEZARN MARRIED EMILY HACKER WHO WAS HER PARENTS? SHE POSSIBLE COULD BE WID. OR DIV FROM A HACKER NOT IN 1910 CLAY THANK YOU AND THANK EVERYONE THAT HELPPED WITH FIRST 3 QUESTION JAMES E WELCH

On a WWI draft registration my relative Edgar & his mother Armina Combs Burgess are listed as living in Fagan, Ky. I can not find this town on the map. Does anyone know if the town name changed? Or is it still there and so small it is not listed. Would appreciate any information someone might know. JoAnn, Indianapolis, IN

JoAnn, Fagan was still in existance in 1924. Do you know which county? Don, Springfield, MO JoAnn Rowe <jarindy@comcast.net> wrote: On a WWI draft registration my relative Edgar & his mother Armina Combs Burgess are listed as living in Fagan, Ky. I can not find this town on the map. Does anyone know if the town name changed? Or is it still there and so small it is not listed. Would appreciate any information someone might know. JoAnn, Indianapolis, IN ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== You can search Kentucky death records 1911-2000 here: http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi

How was the Delph reunion? I hate to do this the list but Geri Fessel please contact me betty young

I have gone through everything I have, and I cannot find Lillian Smith. Sorry!

Looking for some help on a child born in Clay County to Polly Fox and Hugh Sandlin. Childs name is Cecil Sandlin but they have him listed as Sandline. Born May 1929 i have not found any record after the birth so i am wondering if he died shortly after that,please help. Emma From: KYCLAY-D-request@rootsweb.com Reply-To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com To: KYCLAY-D@rootsweb.com Subject: KYCLAY-D Digest V06 #72 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:00:02 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain KYCLAY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT m [<raholt58@bellsouth.net>] #2 Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT m [Ron and Shirley <3ronandshirley@ea] #3 hacker-question 2 [jwelch@kih.net] #4 hacker -question 3 [jwelch@kih.net] #5 Re: [KYCLAY] Susan COX or BROUGHTO [Joycetcollins@cs.com] #6 Clarification of my e-mail of 6/15 [CoeurdePines@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KYCLAY-D, send a message to KYCLAY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 9:25:00 -0400 From: <raholt58@bellsouth.net> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <20060616132502.EYGY18418.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very fascinated by all this info about the Jackson girls marriages. Their father John D. Jackson was a half brother of my gg grandmother Leanner Jackson (eldest daughter of Micajeh and his first wife Marianna Stewart). He was also the nephew of my great grandfather, Finley Smith. Micajeh's second wife Amanda C. Smith was his eldest sister. Finley married Louisa Smith, daughter of Leanner Jackson and Farmer Smith so as you see John D. was a relative in more than one way. Richard Holt > > From: CoeurdePines@aol.com > Date: 2006/06/15 Thu PM 05:56:46 EDT > To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 > > Barb: After checking with two County Clerk's offices here in Michigan and > making a call at 10 AM this morning to Beth, at Bell County Clerk's Office in > Pineville, Kentucky, the Marriage Bond which I scanned you yesterday in itself > proves that NO MARRIAGE took place. > > All this document proved was that someone at the County Clerk's Office filled > out what they thought could have been a Phillip Cox requesting a Marriage > License. > > The No. 425 shows that "Record of Marriage Certificate" is blank. This in > itself PROVES that the license, IF ONE WAS ISSUED, shows that it was not > returned and therefore not proving that anyone solemized a marriage between ANYONE. > > It is entirely possible and this is speculation and this is some 67 years > after the writing in the files were done, THAT SOMEONE made an ERROR and DID NOT > CORRECT THE ERROR. And with this I have something to add. I made an error > when sending the Bell County Clerk, a stamped self-addressed envelope for them > to mail back to me the copies of marriage licenses as requested. The envelope > had my name and street address, however under the street addres the Bell > County Clerk's P.O. Box, Number, pluse Pineville, Kentucky and their zip code. > THEY MAILED THE ENVELOPE. Further it was returned and even though they should > have had my name on file kept it UNTILL I made a phone call. Nuff sed. > > The goof -up in 1939 could have happened because of the supposed marriage of > IDA JACKSON's daughter CINDE/CINDY JACKSON to a Lenice [Leonard] Cox who is A > COUSIN to Cinde/Cindy. Lenice/Leonard being a cousin to Phillip Cox and was > son of John L. Cox & grandson of William R. Cox, with William R. Cox being a > brother to Mary Cox, the wife of William Jackson and mother of Arthur Jackson, > and Arthur being the father of Cinde. > > Mary Jackson, sister of Cinde/Cindy Jackson was the second child and daughter > born in 1925 to Arthur and Ida Jackson. She married around 1943 to Willis > Gunter and later on around 1960 she married a Heydon [spelling on 1st name could > be off] Allen and were living here in Michigan whereupon she died some 20 > plus years ago. Mary has a son and three daughters here in Michigan and two sons > elsewhere and they are the one's, seeking the truth. Two of the daughters > who naturally are granddaughters of Ida Jackson will travel some 500 miles to > Bell County next week in order to go over some records at Pineville. > > In the meantime an attempt will be made to get ahold of a Cinde/Cindy > daughter who lives in Florida. She supposedly is the daughter of Cinde and a Wesley > Lowe of Bell County who was Cinde/Cindy's supposed 2nd husband and she > supposedly did not have any children by L. Cox. > > According to the last child of Ida Jackson, CARTER "Paul" JACKSON, of > Middlesboro, Ky in Bell County, to his knowledge, Cinde/Cindy was NEVER MARRIED to a > Warren and only to L. Cox and Wesley Lowe. And it was the birth of this > Carter around 1936 that supposedly brought about the death of Ida Jackson as she > died soon after his birth. There may be some one out there that may have > further details and we are seeking them. > > Until I get further facts from the visit to the Bell County Court House > and/or information from Florida will keep an open mind on some things, however Barb > it is without doubt that there is NO PROOF that a Ida Jackson married Phillip > Cox. In fact the Ida Jackson daughter of John D. Jackson and Emily Jane > Smith, should have been deceased in 1939. And yest she is not on the list of > Jackson's as dying around 1936, however another research will be conducted the end > of next week and or the first of the week of June 26th. It is true that the > death certificate of Ida's husband Arthur who died 26 Dec 1938 SHOW HE IS > MARRIED. And he is not shown as widowed. > > Hope to have other news soon and will keep you advised. However you DO HAVE > the marriage license and document attached THAT SHOWS that IDA JACKSON is the > daughter of John Jackson with ADA BELL Jackson and Liza Jackson signing as > witnesses and the only household that shows a ADA BELL, IDA and LIZA it that of > John D. Smith and Emily Jane [or Emma as shown in 2 censuses]. We here are > gonna turn on the central air with the treaded humidity and 90 degree temperature > approaching. One I guess ought to follow our Tigers to Wrigley Field in > Chicago to play the Chicago Cubs and maybe get a breeze off Lake Michigan. Take > care and have a good week-end. God Bless and especially Bless our wondrous > people that are serving our country in battle fields outside the U.S. and to > those that are holding fort here in the U.S.A. God be with you. Hal > > P. S. The e-mail address angel-list@hotmail.com is that of the granddaughter > of Arthur and Ida Jackson and daughter of Mary [Jackson] Gunter, Allen & born > in Bell County whereas Mary herself was born in Clay County in 1925. > > > ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== > To browse or search our archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/KY/clay.html and scroll down to "Archives". > > ______________________________ X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Ron and Shirley <3ronandshirley@earthlink.net> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32876915.1150465435036.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any information on a Susan Cox (sometimes listed as Susan Broughton Cox) who married Thomas Jefferson Bowling (Bowlin/Bollin)? -----Original Message----- >From: raholt58@bellsouth.net >Sent: Jun 16, 2006 9:25 AM >To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 > >I'm very fascinated by all this info about the Jackson girls marriages. Their father John D. Jackson was a half brother of my gg grandmother Leanner Jackson (eldest daughter of Micajeh and his first wife Marianna Stewart). He was also the nephew of my great grandfather, Finley Smith. Micajeh's second wife Amanda C. Smith was his eldest sister. Finley married Louisa Smith, daughter of Leanner Jackson and Farmer Smith so as you see John D. was a relative in more than one way. > >Richard Holt >> > >> From: CoeurdePines@aol.com >> Date: 2006/06/15 Thu PM 05:56:46 EDT >> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 >> >> Barb: After checking with two County Clerk's offices here in Michigan and >> making a call at 10 AM this morning to Beth, at Bell County Clerk's Office in >> Pineville, Kentucky, the Marriage Bond which I scanned you yesterday in itself >> proves that NO MARRIAGE took place. >> >> All this document proved was that someone at the County Clerk's Office filled >> out what they thought could have been a Phillip Cox requesting a Marriage >> License. >> >> The No. 425 shows that "Record of Marriage Certificate" is blank. This in >> itself PROVES that the license, IF ONE WAS ISSUED, shows that it was not >> returned and therefore not proving that anyone solemized a marriage between ANYONE. >> >> It is entirely possible and this is speculation and this is some 67 years >> after the writing in the files were done, THAT SOMEONE made an ERROR and DID NOT >> CORRECT THE ERROR. And with this I have something to add. I made an error >> when sending the Bell County Clerk, a stamped self-addressed envelope for them >> to mail back to me the copies of marriage licenses as requested. The envelope >> had my name and street address, however under the street addres the Bell >> County Clerk's P.O. Box, Number, pluse Pineville, Kentucky and their zip code. >> THEY MAILED THE ENVELOPE. Further it was returned and even though they should >> have had my name on file kept it UNTILL I made a phone call. Nuff sed. >> >> The goof -up in 1939 could have happened because of the supposed marriage of >> IDA JACKSON's daughter CINDE/CINDY JACKSON to a Lenice [Leonard] Cox who is A >> COUSIN to Cinde/Cindy. Lenice/Leonard being a cousin to Phillip Cox and was >> son of John L. Cox & grandson of William R. Cox, with William R. Cox being a >> brother to Mary Cox, the wife of William Jackson and mother of Arthur Jackson, >> and Arthur being the father of Cinde. >> >> Mary Jackson, sister of Cinde/Cindy Jackson was the second child and daughter >> born in 1925 to Arthur and Ida Jackson. She married around 1943 to Willis >> Gunter and later on around 1960 she married a Heydon [spelling on 1st name could >> be off] Allen and were living here in Michigan whereupon she died some 20 >> plus years ago. Mary has a son and three daughters here in Michigan and two sons >> elsewhere and they are the one's, seeking the truth. Two of the daughters >> who naturally are granddaughters of Ida Jackson will travel some 500 miles to >> Bell County next week in order to go over some records at Pineville. >> >> In the meantime an attempt will be made to get ahold of a Cinde/Cindy >> daughter who lives in Florida. She supposedly is the daughter of Cinde and a Wesley >> Lowe of Bell County who was Cinde/Cindy's supposed 2nd husband and she >> supposedly did not have any children by L. Cox. >> >> According to the last child of Ida Jackson, CARTER "Paul" JACKSON, of >> Middlesboro, Ky in Bell County, to his knowledge, Cinde/Cindy was NEVER MARRIED to a >> Warren and only to L. Cox and Wesley Lowe. And it was the birth of this >> Carter around 1936 that supposedly brought about the death of Ida Jackson as she >> died soon after his birth. There may be some one out there that may have >> further details and we are seeking them. >> >> Until I get further facts from the visit to the Bell County Court House >> and/or information from Florida will keep an open mind on some things, however Barb >> it is without doubt that there is NO PROOF that a Ida Jackson married Phillip >> Cox. In fact the Ida Jackson daughter of John D. Jackson and Emily Jane >> Smith, should have been deceased in 1939. And yest she is not on the list of >> Jackson's as dying around 1936, however another research will be conducted the end >> of next week and or the first of the week of June 26th. It is true that the >> death certificate of Ida's husband Arthur who died 26 Dec 1938 SHOW HE IS >> MARRIED. And he is not shown as widowed. >> >> Hope to have other news soon and will keep you advised. However you DO HAVE >> the marriage license and document attached THAT SHOWS that IDA JACKSON is the >> daughter of John Jackson with ADA BELL Jackson and Liza Jackson signing as >> witnesses and the only household that shows a ADA BELL, IDA and LIZA it that of >> John D. Smith and Emily Jane [or Emma as shown in 2 censuses]. We here are >> gonna turn on the central air with the treaded humidity and 90 degree temperature >> approaching. One I guess ought to follow our Tigers to Wrigley Field in >> Chicago to play the Chicago Cubs and maybe get a breeze off Lake Michigan. Take >> care and have a good week-end. God Bless and especially Bless our wondrous >> people that are serving our country in battle fields outside the U.S. and to >> those that are holding fort here in the U.S.A. God be with you. Hal >> >> P. S. The e-mail address angel-list@hotmail.com is that of the granddaughter >> of Arthur and Ida Jackson and daughter of Mary [Jackson] Gunter, Allen & born >> in Bell County whereas Mary herself was born in Clay County in 1925. >> >> >> ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >> To browse or search our archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/KY/clay.html and scroll down to "Archives". >> >> > > >==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >To browse or search our archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/KY/clay.html and scroll down to "Archives". > ______________________________ X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:02:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jwelch@kih.net To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <13418657.1150470131404.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: hacker-question 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i trying to close some loose end and need help with blank space Logan hacker b. 2-20-1867 clay d. 10-8-1938_____ md 1-8-1890 Clay to Serrilla Davidson b.6- -1871 d._____ in 1900 Clay in 1910_______ in 1920 Magoffin in 1930 Pike Co.Ohio He was son of Granville Levi Hacker b 3-18-1842 clay d. 12-19-1913 magoffin logan had the 4 children need to know who they married 1. Levi Hacker b. 2-1892 d'_______ md._________to _________ 2.Roscoe Hacker b.11-1894d._______ md_________to__________ in 1920 in father home 3.Docy Hacker b.12-1898 d._______ md._________to________ 4.Ella Jane Hacker b. 1907 d._____ md._________to _______ thank you for any help james e welch ______________________________ X-Message: #4 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:10:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jwelch@kih.net To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <27426159.1150470613930.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: hacker -question 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit need help with what happen to this family. need help with blank spaces hogan Hacker(son of Grandville hacker b.1822 d.2-19-1908) b. 1846 Owsley d.______ md ______1876 to Martha ______ b._____1855 d.____ in 1880 owsley in 1900______ in 1910_____ had atleast 3 children 1 susan hacker b. 1877 d._____ she md Lewis abner i have her family 2.william Hacker b. 1878 d._______ md.________to ________ in 1900_______ 3.Henry Hacker b. 1880 d._____ md_______to _______ in 1900______ thank you for any help james e welch ______________________________ X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:59:28 EDT From: Joycetcollins@cs.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <424.393c68c.31c43d70@cs.com> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Susan COX or BROUGHTON mar. Thomas J. BOWLING, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" RESPONSE: The marriage is listed in the Index as: BOWLIN, Thomas to COX, Susan on 24 Nov 1857, File 11 Perhaps the actual marriage record would have her parents. If, in fact, she was in Clay Co. on the 1850, this seems the most logical one to be her: Dwelling 76 COX, Nancy 35, b. TN (mar. John COX; nee Nancy MIRICLE mar. 5-27-1830 in Harlan Co. per annotated Fed. census sold by Mr. James WELCH) . . Lucy, 30 . .Susan, 30 * * * . .Joseph, 15 . .James, 13 . . Thomas, 12 . .Daniel, 6 . .Nancy, 3 NOTE: I have no ideas on what the relationshps are of these family members. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/16/2006 6:47:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 3ronandshirley@earthlink.net writes: > Does anyone have any information on a Susan Cox (sometimes listed as Susan > Broughton Cox) who married Thomas Jefferson Bowling (Bowlin/Bollin)? > ______________________________ X-Message: #6 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:59:08 EDT From: CoeurdePines@aol.com To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <386.5447d2d.31c483ac@aol.com> Subject: Clarification of my e-mail of 6/15/2006 5:56:46 PM EST of Mary & William Cox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Barb: In the 5th paragraph of subjectd I indicated that William R. Cox and Mary Cox [wife of William Jackson & mother of Arthur Jackson] were siblings. I should clarify this to stipulate that they are brother & sister according to the 1880 census of Ezekiel Cox in Bell Count. However it should be noted that Mary Ann the wife of Ezekiel was deceased and if she was the mother of Mary she would have been around 57 years old when Mary was born. And the only adult female in household and of which Mary was placed under is William R. Cox's known sister, Louisa Jane Cox who according to a marriage bond which was dated 13 May 1872 intended to marry David Brock with David Brock and Andrew Johnson as posting bond to the Commonwealth of Kentucky in the sum of One Hundred Dollars. The 1880 census indicated that Louisa Jane was divorced. In the 1900 census of Woodbine, Whitley County Mary is listed as Mary Brock, mother of three with one daughter with her in the household of one Lucinda Cox, wife of James E. Cox, who also is brother of William R.. And in this census Mary is listed as NIECE, which would indicate that she was a daughter of a sibling of James E. Cox, and therefore also of William Cox. Yep, it may be confusing but unfortunately that is how is goes some places in Kentucky. I just wanted the full facts out there, as myself I do not know, however logic should prevail and therefore I do believe that she is a grandchild of Ezekiel Cox. And whether the Brock name was her maiden name or married name is questionable, as in the 1900 census she was a WIDOW. Respectfully Hal

Barb: In the 5th paragraph of subjectd I indicated that William R. Cox and Mary Cox [wife of William Jackson & mother of Arthur Jackson] were siblings. I should clarify this to stipulate that they are brother & sister according to the 1880 census of Ezekiel Cox in Bell Count. However it should be noted that Mary Ann the wife of Ezekiel was deceased and if she was the mother of Mary she would have been around 57 years old when Mary was born. And the only adult female in household and of which Mary was placed under is William R. Cox's known sister, Louisa Jane Cox who according to a marriage bond which was dated 13 May 1872 intended to marry David Brock with David Brock and Andrew Johnson as posting bond to the Commonwealth of Kentucky in the sum of One Hundred Dollars. The 1880 census indicated that Louisa Jane was divorced. In the 1900 census of Woodbine, Whitley County Mary is listed as Mary Brock, mother of three with one daughter with her in the household of one Lucinda Cox, wife of James E. Cox, who also is brother of William R.. And in this census Mary is listed as NIECE, which would indicate that she was a daughter of a sibling of James E. Cox, and therefore also of William Cox. Yep, it may be confusing but unfortunately that is how is goes some places in Kentucky. I just wanted the full facts out there, as myself I do not know, however logic should prevail and therefore I do believe that she is a grandchild of Ezekiel Cox. And whether the Brock name was her maiden name or married name is questionable, as in the 1900 census she was a WIDOW. Respectfully Hal

RESPONSE: The marriage is listed in the Index as: BOWLIN, Thomas to COX, Susan on 24 Nov 1857, File 11 Perhaps the actual marriage record would have her parents. If, in fact, she was in Clay Co. on the 1850, this seems the most logical one to be her: Dwelling 76 COX, Nancy 35, b. TN (mar. John COX; nee Nancy MIRICLE mar. 5-27-1830 in Harlan Co. per annotated Fed. census sold by Mr. James WELCH) . . Lucy, 30 . .Susan, 30 * * * . .Joseph, 15 . .James, 13 . . Thomas, 12 . .Daniel, 6 . .Nancy, 3 NOTE: I have no ideas on what the relationshps are of these family members. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/16/2006 6:47:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 3ronandshirley@earthlink.net writes: > Does anyone have any information on a Susan Cox (sometimes listed as Susan > Broughton Cox) who married Thomas Jefferson Bowling (Bowlin/Bollin)? >

need help with what happen to this family. need help with blank spaces hogan Hacker(son of Grandville hacker b.1822 d.2-19-1908) b. 1846 Owsley d.______ md ______1876 to Martha ______ b._____1855 d.____ in 1880 owsley in 1900______ in 1910_____ had atleast 3 children 1 susan hacker b. 1877 d._____ she md Lewis abner i have her family 2.william Hacker b. 1878 d._______ md.________to ________ in 1900_______ 3.Henry Hacker b. 1880 d._____ md_______to _______ in 1900______ thank you for any help james e welch

i trying to close some loose end and need help with blank space Logan hacker b. 2-20-1867 clay d. 10-8-1938_____ md 1-8-1890 Clay to Serrilla Davidson b.6- -1871 d._____ in 1900 Clay in 1910_______ in 1920 Magoffin in 1930 Pike Co.Ohio He was son of Granville Levi Hacker b 3-18-1842 clay d. 12-19-1913 magoffin logan had the 4 children need to know who they married 1. Levi Hacker b. 2-1892 d'_______ md._________to _________ 2.Roscoe Hacker b.11-1894d._______ md_________to__________ in 1920 in father home 3.Docy Hacker b.12-1898 d._______ md._________to________ 4.Ella Jane Hacker b. 1907 d._____ md._________to _______ thank you for any help james e welch

Does anyone have any information on a Susan Cox (sometimes listed as Susan Broughton Cox) who married Thomas Jefferson Bowling (Bowlin/Bollin)? -----Original Message----- >From: raholt58@bellsouth.net >Sent: Jun 16, 2006 9:25 AM >To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 > >I'm very fascinated by all this info about the Jackson girls marriages. Their father John D. Jackson was a half brother of my gg grandmother Leanner Jackson (eldest daughter of Micajeh and his first wife Marianna Stewart). He was also the nephew of my great grandfather, Finley Smith. Micajeh's second wife Amanda C. Smith was his eldest sister. Finley married Louisa Smith, daughter of Leanner Jackson and Farmer Smith so as you see John D. was a relative in more than one way. > >Richard Holt >> > >> From: CoeurdePines@aol.com >> Date: 2006/06/15 Thu PM 05:56:46 EDT >> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [KYCLAY] Ida Jackson DID NOT marry Phillip COX in Bell Co. Ky in 1939 >> >> Barb: After checking with two County Clerk's offices here in Michigan and >> making a call at 10 AM this morning to Beth, at Bell County Clerk's Office in >> Pineville, Kentucky, the Marriage Bond which I scanned you yesterday in itself >> proves that NO MARRIAGE took place. >> >> All this document proved was that someone at the County Clerk's Office filled >> out what they thought could have been a Phillip Cox requesting a Marriage >> License. >> >> The No. 425 shows that "Record of Marriage Certificate" is blank. This in >> itself PROVES that the license, IF ONE WAS ISSUED, shows that it was not >> returned and therefore not proving that anyone solemized a marriage between ANYONE. >> >> It is entirely possible and this is speculation and this is some 67 years >> after the writing in the files were done, THAT SOMEONE made an ERROR and DID NOT >> CORRECT THE ERROR. And with this I have something to add. I made an error >> when sending the Bell County Clerk, a stamped self-addressed envelope for them >> to mail back to me the copies of marriage licenses as requested. The envelope >> had my name and street address, however under the street addres the Bell >> County Clerk's P.O. Box, Number, pluse Pineville, Kentucky and their zip code. >> THEY MAILED THE ENVELOPE. Further it was returned and even though they should >> have had my name on file kept it UNTILL I made a phone call. Nuff sed. >> >> The goof -up in 1939 could have happened because of the supposed marriage of >> IDA JACKSON's daughter CINDE/CINDY JACKSON to a Lenice [Leonard] Cox who is A >> COUSIN to Cinde/Cindy. Lenice/Leonard being a cousin to Phillip Cox and was >> son of John L. Cox & grandson of William R. Cox, with William R. Cox being a >> brother to Mary Cox, the wife of William Jackson and mother of Arthur Jackson, >> and Arthur being the father of Cinde. >> >> Mary Jackson, sister of Cinde/Cindy Jackson was the second child and daughter >> born in 1925 to Arthur and Ida Jackson. She married around 1943 to Willis >> Gunter and later on around 1960 she married a Heydon [spelling on 1st name could >> be off] Allen and were living here in Michigan whereupon she died some 20 >> plus years ago. Mary has a son and three daughters here in Michigan and two sons >> elsewhere and they are the one's, seeking the truth. Two of the daughters >> who naturally are granddaughters of Ida Jackson will travel some 500 miles to >> Bell County next week in order to go over some records at Pineville. >> >> In the meantime an attempt will be made to get ahold of a Cinde/Cindy >> daughter who lives in Florida. She supposedly is the daughter of Cinde and a Wesley >> Lowe of Bell County who was Cinde/Cindy's supposed 2nd husband and she >> supposedly did not have any children by L. Cox. >> >> According to the last child of Ida Jackson, CARTER "Paul" JACKSON, of >> Middlesboro, Ky in Bell County, to his knowledge, Cinde/Cindy was NEVER MARRIED to a >> Warren and only to L. Cox and Wesley Lowe. And it was the birth of this >> Carter around 1936 that supposedly brought about the death of Ida Jackson as she >> died soon after his birth. There may be some one out there that may have >> further details and we are seeking them. >> >> Until I get further facts from the visit to the Bell County Court House >> and/or information from Florida will keep an open mind on some things, however Barb >> it is without doubt that there is NO PROOF that a Ida Jackson married Phillip >> Cox. In fact the Ida Jackson daughter of John D. Jackson and Emily Jane >> Smith, should have been deceased in 1939. And yest she is not on the list of >> Jackson's as dying around 1936, however another research will be conducted the end >> of next week and or the first of the week of June 26th. It is true that the >> death certificate of Ida's husband Arthur who died 26 Dec 1938 SHOW HE IS >> MARRIED. And he is not shown as widowed. >> >> Hope to have other news soon and will keep you advised. However you DO HAVE >> the marriage license and document attached THAT SHOWS that IDA JACKSON is the >> daughter of John Jackson with ADA BELL Jackson and Liza Jackson signing as >> witnesses and the only household that shows a ADA BELL, IDA and LIZA it that of >> John D. Smith and Emily Jane [or Emma as shown in 2 censuses]. We here are >> gonna turn on the central air with the treaded humidity and 90 degree temperature >> approaching. One I guess ought to follow our Tigers to Wrigley Field in >> Chicago to play the Chicago Cubs and maybe get a breeze off Lake Michigan. Take >> care and have a good week-end. God Bless and especially Bless our wondrous >> people that are serving our country in battle fields outside the U.S. and to >> those that are holding fort here in the U.S.A. God be with you. Hal >> >> P. S. The e-mail address angel-list@hotmail.com is that of the granddaughter >> of Arthur and Ida Jackson and daughter of Mary [Jackson] Gunter, Allen & born >> in Bell County whereas Mary herself was born in Clay County in 1925. >> >> >> ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >> To browse or search our archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/KY/clay.html and scroll down to "Archives". >> >> > > >==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >To browse or search our archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/KY/clay.html and scroll down to "Archives". >