This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mAB.2ACE/1009.1084.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: David d 1823 and I have a list of his estate also. Joseph Cavanah I have no information on him except his name as a child of David and Frances ( maybe he died while young???). Charles and Lucy in 1830 (but not in 1840)had a older lady living with them ( mother or mother in law??) , no names in Illinois in those years on census. Possibly this Frances could be a younger daughter or Frances Crump herself. I do not think she could be a granddaughter as there is a Frances listed on the first deed in 1830. ON the 1852 and 1853 deeds there is listed Frances Clark. I have her as married in Union Co., Ky. July 25, 1849 to William Clark. Martha Patsy Lisman married July 17, 1817 to John Lisman in Hopkins County, Ky. this would make her birth year around 1800 or before. So I think she would have to be a daughter, however I am open as I do not have documented proof. I guess she could be a niece or sister but she is listed as a heir on the deeds. Good to talk with you. Jerry