Sonny, What year did all this take place? Recent times or longer ago? Glad you were ready to defend yourself and others and that it all turned out OK. One of uncles from way back, Theodore Kempf, used to live in Winton Place. In 1870 he was 16 and apprenticed to a harness maker. By 1900, he had his own Harness Shop. I see you are from Yosemite. I think my mom has an aunt living in that area. Her name is Joyce Ann Rigney. Do you by chance know her? Sheree Kemp Angus Greeley, CO