Sonny, What year did all this take place? Recent times or longer ago? Glad you were ready to defend yourself and others and that it all turned out OK. One of uncles from way back, Theodore Kempf, used to live in Winton Place. In 1870 he was 16 and apprenticed to a harness maker. By 1900, he had his own Harness Shop. I see you are from Yosemite. I think my mom has an aunt living in that area. Her name is Joyce Ann Rigney. Do you by chance know her? Sheree Kemp Angus Greeley, CO

In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:31:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, KempAngus@aol.com writes: Have you seen (or have) a book about the history of St. Bernard? I have one - it is pretty interesting. Grandpa's niece, Marie Kemp, submitted a short article about her grandfather and also submitted a picture of the old homestead. Are you speaking of a book called Historical Sketches of the Parish of St. Bernard's Of Clairvaux on Casey Creek Clementsville, KY ?I have this book. ~~God gives us memories so we'll have roses in the winter.~~ Mona *~ *

These people are all my relatives. Martha Peyton Kemp was my gg-grandmother,thru her daughter, Mary Clementine Kemp ,who married William Jasper Cochran. In a message dated 11/14/2006 2:14:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Yollacker@aol.com writes: Martha (Peyton) Kemp had died prior to 30 October 1871 the date of the writing of the will of her father, Valentine Peyton (1809-1875) the will is recorded in Casey Co., KY. Will Book 3, pages 372-374. Martha (Peyton) Kemp's sister, Leanah Peyton, estate Hancock County, Illinois, Record Book, P., p 109 (papers in Box 313) lists the living Kemp children of Martha Peyton. Leanah Peyton (1834-1905) died 16 Feb. 1905 at Alberum Wheat Peyton and Mary (Peyton) Peyton, Section 34 Wilcox Twp., near Warsaw, Hancock Co., Illinois. Leannah is buried in the John Peyton Cemetery, The stone reads: Leannah Peyton daughter of Valentine Peyton of Casey County, KY born 15 March 1837 died 16 Feb 1905. Heirs listed on 28 February 1905 when letters of administration were given to Alberum Wheat Peyton were: " Vincent Peyton of Ellisburg, Kentucky her brother, and children of her deceased sister Bet Cochran Leanah Shearrin, and Mary Cochran that the said Bet Cochran lives in Louisville, Kentucky; and that the said Leanah Shearrin and Mary Cochran live in Casey County, Kentucky." That your petitioner, with whom the said decedent made her home, and a distant relative of hers. (Note: A. W. Peyton (1855-1931), was the husband of Leanah's niece, Mary Peyton (1870-1952). Mary was the daughter of 1st Lt. Vincent Peyton and his first wife, Sarah Jane Gibson (1842-1870) born and buried, nr Jeffersonville, Montgomery Co., KY in the Gibson Cemetery) (Note: Still haven't figured how A. W., and Leanah are related. In a statement earlier he said that his father, John Peyton and Leanah had the same great grandfather. It has to go back a lot farther than that) Leanah's great-grandfather was Valentine of Lincoln Co. (1749-1831) and John's great grandfather is not known at present his grandparents were: James Peyton (1761/2-1817) died Casey Co, and Elizabeth (Cox) Peyton (1765-1828) See Casey Co., Ky. Wills and Estates. The revised list of the heirs on the estate of Leanah Peyton, deceased gives: Vincent Peyton, her brother, Ellisburg, Kentucky Bettie Cochran, daughter of her deceased sister, Louisville, Kentucky 1620 Wm. St. Mary C. Cochran, another daughter of the deceased sister, Liberty, Kentucky Monnie Shearrin, Arron Shearrin George Shearrin, and Mary Shearrin, all of Powers, Kentucky, and being the only children and descendans of a deceased daughter of the same deceased sister; and Bertha Kemp and Nona Kemp of Clinton, Illinois, the only children and descendants of a deceased son of the same deceased daughter; and that the said Shearrin and Kemp children are all minors, the said Shearrin children living with their father Jack Shearrin, and the said Kemp children living with their mother, Fannie Kemp. and this affiant further states on information and belief that there are no heirs of the said Leanah Peyton, deceased, except as above stated. Final report filed April Term, 1906 Hancock Co., Il. Final distribution May Term, 1906 Hancock Co., Il. dated 31 May 1906 Note: the deceased sister of Leanah Peyton refers to Martha (Peyton) Kemp and the deceased brother refers to John Bailey Kemp. 1880 census shows: Mary C Kemp aged 16 Martha Kemp aged 14 (not named in the estate of Aunt Leanah 1905) John Bailey Kemp aged 13 (referred to as the deceased son of deceased sister) Leannah Kemp aged 11 (either died after 16 Feb 1905 or before 27 Mar 1906) Elizabeth "Bettie" Kemp born 1871 Many of the Peytons of Casey County are to be found in the 2004 edition of the book The Peytons of Virginia, II, Vols. I and !!, 2004. A copy of this book is in the Casey County, Library, Liberty, Ky. Patricia Joan K. Allen descendant of Valentine Peyton (1749-1831) Lincoln Co., KY from Stafford Co., Va., and of James Peyton (1761/2-1817) Casey Co., Ky. from Amherst Co., Ky. Valentine's earliest proven ancestor was Thomas Peyton (1580-1648) The Valentine Peyton (1809-1875) who was father to Martha (Peyton) Kemp, Leanah Peyton and 1st Lt. Vincent Peyton (there were many other Vincent Peytons) was married on 27 September 1831 to Molly Portman (1808-1845) in Casey Co., Ky. There were other children who had died prior to the writing of Valentine's will. I would like more information on the Portman family. P. Joan K. Allen In a message dated 11/13/2006 1:00:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, kycasey-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:10:23 -0500 From: kyfamily@webtv.net (J.Fisk) Subject: Re: [KYCASEY] Kemp To: kycasey@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7977-4557D40F-719@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 To anyone that might be interested---Pinkney Kemp married Martha Peyton in Casey County July 10, 1861. She died. Valentine peyton,her father mentions him in ,his will. Pinkney then married?April 4, 1871?Marietta Edwards King, a widow.??Pinkney was later shot?by accident through an open door in his country store. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYCASEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~God gives us memories so we'll have roses in the winter.~~ Mona *~ *

In a message dated 11/14/2006 10:07:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kyfamily@webtv.net writes: Mona, we also share Haysberry Lynn and Lucy Hill Lynn, as ancestors. Probably old Wm Sharp and Valentine Peyton as well. Judy Yes, this is also true ,Judy. ~~God gives us memories so we'll have roses in the winter.~~ Mona *~ *

Yes, MissDixieB, I'd love to have any pictures you might part with. I was in the Winton Tavern, training two students to work on the pinball called a sixcard, a blue Ford car pulled up in front, took a double barreled 12 gage shot gun and fired through windows. Most everyone ran for the back, two women went to the front to see what ever, and they fired again, I had to scream for them to get on the floor before they got hit. Most everyone got behind the bar, I stayed behind the pinball, waiting to see if they were coming through the door, they didn't come in!! I had a 44 mag. in my hand at that point. That's some of the memory trips I take when some mentions a name or place in Cincinnati, I worked for 30 pluse years on jukeboxes and such. James "Sonny" Coleman PO. Box 114 Yosemite, Ky. 42566 606-787-1719 ----- Original Message ----- From: <MissDixieB@aol.com> To: <kycasey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [KYCASEY] (Spring Grove)+ Gilpin and Rainwater connection > Sonny: > > A couple of years ago when I was "back home" in Cincinnati, I went around > taking pictures of places that were of interest to my family file. The > Winton > Tavern was on my list. One of my sisters was born up stairs in an > apartment / > flat. I do have the picture of the building from across Spring Grove > Ave.. > Are you interested in a copy? > > Dixie (SCOTT) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYCASEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:40:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, MissDixieB@aol.com writes: I hope this helps to clear this up. Do you think "Piney" could be for Jose"phine"? What a name! Dixie (SCOTT Thanks friend, Hopefully today I can take a look at all of my new Casey material. My wife is suffering through bone cancer. That plus other things keep me distracted. Just when I pledge to drop out of genealogy, after 65 years, something new comes up and I get hooked again! Gratefully Harold Fisher

Harold: Sorry for the confusion. What I have is that John BALDOCK, Sr., married Agrapiney (b 1803) (CHRISTISON), July 24, 1825 in Casey Co KY: (see 'Piney' CHRISTISON). Their daughter, (b 1848) Agra Piney (BALDOCK) married George W GADBERY, April 26, 1866, in Casey Co. On the 1850 Census of Casey Co., both Mother (@ 48y) & Daughter (@ 2y) are listed as Agra P BALDOCK. On the 1860 CAsey Co. Census, both are listed as Josephine BALDOCK @ 56y and Josephine BALDOCK @ 12y: in the household of John BALDOCK. husband / father. I hope this helps to clear this up. Do you think "Piney" could be for Jose"phine"? What a name! Dixie (SCOTT)

Sonny: A couple of years ago when I was "back home" in Cincinnati, I went around taking pictures of places that were of interest to my family file. The Winton Tavern was on my list. One of my sisters was born up stairs in an apartment / flat. I do have the picture of the building from across Spring Grove Ave.. Are you interested in a copy? Dixie (SCOTT)

Yeah, it sure was Marvin....and before anyone starts with this subject again, last year or year before we all discussed Marvin being Indian by birth.....enough questions that someone on this mailist who is a true Cousin of Marvin wrote him about the "indian" story....His reply was posted here wherein he said that the"indian" thing complete with rawhide pants and shirt was a publicity hype....he listed parents etc.....He still sells his music on the internet for those interested... Sorry but every year we have someone post a message with "proof" of the Rainwater family being Indian....The "proof" usually has something to do with a Rainwater male marrying some Chiefs daughter.....may have happened somewhere but is usually just another famiily story without facts.. Old Hal

Bless you, Sheree: Now I know where my contact with your KEMP family was. Yes, I do have the St. Bernard book, and now I know the connection in my head was the name of Kemp and Kemper Ave. I mentally 'filed' them together. I seem to retain names in my memory and then loose what they belong to. This has still been fun. Good luck with your research. If there is anything I can help with in Casey Co., let me know. I just this past Monday moved my 90 year old Dad into my home. He was born on Tennessee Ridge in 1916: the youngest of 11, to James T. & Lena Laura (JACKMAN) SCOTT. He is the only one still living. I have to prompt him into telling me stories by putting on my MX radio in the car and tuning into the Bluegrass Junction. He did play a banjo and enjoys the station. That is when I get most of my KY information from him. He thinks he is back on the farm. The things we do in the name of genealogy. Later: Dixie (SCOTT)

Inquire at the genealogy desk of the CC library. That is where they keep all books, records and donated materials. Annette

To Annette, How do we get access to your family CD? Barbara

I compiled a CD of all my mother's lines from Casey County and gave a copy fo the CC library about 5 years back. If it hasn't been lost or destroyed, there is a great deal of info on the Gilpins, Thomases, and many others with good documentation. It was made with Family Tree Maker which has a fairly decent search capability. Annette

Yes! Sonny ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.Fisk" <kyfamily@webtv.net> To: <kycasey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [KYCASEY] Gilpin and Rainwater connection > Country singer Brenda Lee sang with a Rainwater on TV when she was a > child. Was it Marvin Rainwater? Just a thought. Judy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYCASEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Country singer Brenda Lee sang with a Rainwater on TV when she was a child. Was it Marvin Rainwater? Just a thought. Judy

You could have been hiding somewhere.....President Jimmy Carter had either 3 or 4 Rainwater folks on his White House Staff..... Old Hal, whose Mother was a proud Rainwater from Casey County....

Hi Dixie, My grandpa, Henry Kemp, was born in 1907 in St. Bernard. Their last name at that time was spelled KEMPF. His grandfather, Frances KEMPF (later Frank Kemp) was a German from Alsace-Lorraine region in Germany. At some point they dropped the letter F, but other uncles kept the original spelling. Grandpa's oldest sister was born in 1895 and his youngest brother was born in 1910. Have you seen (or have) a book about the history of St. Bernard? I have one - it is pretty interesting. Grandpa's niece, Marie Kemp, submitted a short article about her grandfather and also submitted a picture of the old homestead. Thanks for checking with your friends. I love a challenge also. I like finding the puzzle pieces and putting them together!! Sheree

Hello, Sheree: I have tried to connect your KEMP family to my memories: sorry...no luck. I was wondering if my memory is coming from a street called "Kemper Ave." That was what popped into my mind as I read your note. I have written to my friends in the Cincinnati area to see if they have any memories of this name. I will let you know about their answers. Do you have any time / dates to go by? I love a good challenge. Good Luck: Dixie (SCOTT)

Hays Lynn states on his Civil War enlistment papers says P.O. Powers Store, Ky. This would be somewhere in the Dogwood Gap area. JAF

Just lurking a bit, but for Rainwater researchers the Susan Chance-Rainwater web site is a must for the most complete Rainwater data available anywhere.... HTTP://www.Chronography.com/index.html Try it, you'll like it as they say... Old Hal