Christy, I have John Alfred born April 3, 1852 in Casey Co, Ky would appreciate your help. Larry

Hello All, back home in MI from funeral in Tn. Sorry to have missed some reasearchers who were there when we were passing thru. We would have loved to "traipse around" with you. I hope we have another opportunity. Judy

Hi Dixie-- Thanks. It's good to finally see my g-grandmother listed with her mother and the other children. Yes, I do have the censuses for 1850, 1860, and 1870 for Casey County. We just wondered where Polly was in 1880, and now we know, thanks to you! We also knew that James Goode was born in Missouri, though we don't have any idea why the family was in Missouri at that time; all of James's siblings were born in Kentucky. James and Polly Jane had anywhere from 12 to 16 children, and Judy and I are trying to come up with an accurate list. To all of you other Goode researchers out there, we will post a list of their children within the next few days, and see if any of you have any feedback on it. John Alfred is one the children we are sure of. He was born on 09 April, 1855. I'm definitely going to learn how to use that Soundex thing! Christy

Hi, Christy: First of all, you are quite welcome. Next, I went back and looked at the form with my trusty lighted magnifier and I have decided that the name is listed as BELLE L. GOOD, not Billie. The 'dot' is an ink smudge. So this must be your grandmother person for sure. Also, I looked on the 1860 Casey Co. KY census and there is one John A. GOODE @ 5y listed in the family at that time. Do you have copies of the 1850 and the 1860 census? I only have them from the printed books. The oldest child, Robert F. is @2y on the 1850 and @13y on the 1860, so I would guess James T. and Mary J. married about 1846. Also, the 1850 and 1860 lists the birth place of James T. GOOD (per 1850) as Missouri and also James T. GOODE (per 1860) as Missouri. As I look at the 1880 census, the (GOOD) family states he was born in KY (?). Your information is on its way. Enjoy: Dixie

I would like very much to correspond with someone knowledgeable about the families of Clementsville. Thank you. Hazel

Dixie: Thank you SO MUCH! I just can't tell you how much I appreciate you looking up that information for me, and how happy I am to have it! The "Billie" listed just has to be my g-grandmother, Laura Bell. They probably called her "Bellie," and the census-taker wrote down "Billie." The age is right. And the "George" is correct; when I told you "John," I was mistaken. I am very impressed with this Soundex thing. I'm definitely going to have to try it for myself, and see if I can find any other lost ancestors! My address is: Christy Campbell P.O. Box 533 Ivy, VA 22945 Again, thank you! You're the greatest! Christy

I am researching the Jesse Coffey Brown family of the Casey Co. area. He was born in 1850. His parents were Jesse C. Brown and Juda. Jesse Coffey Brown married Sarah M. Haggard in 1872. Any information you can share would be greatly appreciated. Hoberta

Hi, Christy: Here is your info as I promised: Found on 22 June 1880 / Lincoln Co KY census Precinct #5 Huntsville / Volume 19 / Sheet # 60 / Enumeration District 70 / Line 26 ~ 33 Listed as head of house = Mary J GOOD @ 51y b KY Margrett C. daughter @ 28y b KY Harland T. son @ 20y b KY Frank W. son @ 18y b KY General S. son @ 15y b KY Nancy S. daughter @ 13y b KY George E. son @ 11y b KY *** Billie L. daughter @ 7y b KY This is from the 1880 "soundex". G300 is the code for GOOD / GOODE etc. When I went to the 22 June 1880 regular census for Lincoln Co KY, all of the above are listed and birth places of parents of all. Such as: Mary J. b Ky / Father b TN / Mother b KY. The Father of the children listed was born in KY. If you will e-mail your adress to me, I will send the copies to you. *** The "JOHN" that you mentioned is not in the household. He was probably between George and Billie "L." ( which is probably the "LAURA" that you mentioned.) I should have gone back and checked the soundex to see if there was a "JOHN" listed in someone elses home. Next time. Is there a possibility that he may have died? Anyhow, there it is. Enjoy: MissDixieB@AOL.com

Dear Bill and Loydean Allen, How generous it was of you to share your trip with everyone, I for one read every word, with interest, and send a hearty thanks. Joseph Short

Does anyone know if there is any sources ( books or anyone willing to do a look up) for births in Casey County for 1901 ? I believe my grandfather was born there but I'm not sure - I know his birth date but his first name could be listed as one of three possibilities: Lieu Albert Greenwell, Louis Albert Greenwell or Albert Louis Greenwell born Feb. 21, 1901. His parents were married there in 1900, a sister born in 1905 and I can find him on the 1910 census but no record of birth!!!!! I'm at a dead end so any help will be greatly appreciated........jo greenwell rolston rolstons@konnections.com

Allens, So glad that you enjoyed our lovely state. The commune you visited at Pleasant Hill, near Harrodsburg, was the Shakers, not Quakers. They are not the same. The Shakers were a very interesting group. Among their beliefs was one of celibacy . Therefore, there are no more Shakers:-) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

>(Regarding visiting Casey county we posted the following on the ALLEN >newsgroup website) Been there, done that but loved the review of your genie trip to KY. I echo your thanks and the response of those we met and places we stayed. Will have to make another trip to Frankfort to see the new building as the genealogy library was in the old state administration building just a hop skip and jump from Holdiay Inn. Barbee Barbee Hodgkins bhodgkin@OregonVOS.net

William D. Allen Sr. wrote: > > (Regarding visiting Casey county we posted the following on the ALLEN > newsgroup website) > > For what it's worth... > > We just finished a ten day genealogy research trip to Kentucky. Thought > other researchers would appreciate some suggestions for Kentucky "on the > ground" research. > > We first visited the Filson Club in Louisville for the better part of two > days. It's a good starting point for genealogy in Kentucky. Plenty of good > motels and restaurants in the greater "Looavull" area. We especially liked > the Bob Evans restaurants for excellent food at good prices. > > Just east on US 65 is Frankfort, the state capital, an old fashioned river > town. Must be that half the houses in town are over a hundred years or more > with a couple still in use that were built in the first decade of the 19th > century. Holiday Inn is the only motel within walking distance of the > Kentucky Historical Museum building, which houses the state genealogy > research library. It's a brand new building furnished with all the genealogy > tools: scads of family, county and regional state books, lots of photocopy > machines and computers for Internet as well as library material locating; > lots of comfortable work desks; and many census microfilm readers as well as > lots of microfilms. My wife hated to leave the library but we had a schedule > to keep. > > Enroute to Lexington we stopped at the Kentucky Horse Park dedicated to > Kentucky race horses as well as saddle horses. Like mash whisky their race > horses are among the best in the world. The Kentucky Horse Park located in > the middle of hundreds of bluegrass horse farms is well worth the stop even > if you are not a horse lover. And the grass does have a bluish tint. > > While at Lexington we took a break from genealogy research and visited the > Berea area where we had dinner in the old Daniel Boone Tavern located on his > original trail from the Cumberland Gap. Berea College is an arts school > where the students learn wood working, quilting, loom rug making, etc. which > are for sale in the student run store. The town is given over to antique > stores as well. > > We left Lexington south on US 68 and visited Pleasant Hill, one of the last > Quaker villages in the USA. It is set in beautiful rolling bluegrass > countryside with stone fences and huge shade trees. > > Then it was on the Harrodsburg Fort State Park, the first white settlement > in Kentucky. It is well worth a couple of hours to see how our ancestors > lived in the late 1700s on the frontier of our new nation. > > We then headed for Casey, Lincoln, Adair and Green counties for on-site > research on our ALLEN ancestors. The court house in each county was a must > for original land deeds, wills, court orders and marriage bonds and > recordings. The county clerk's people in every instance were gracious and > tolerant of genealogists. Some counties have taken very good care of their > ancient records, preserving them in transparent plastic while other counties > are letting them crumble to dust. > > We also hit the county public library in each county and in every instance > found a genealogy section and an active genealogy society. It was humorous > to walk in and have the librarian tell us "It's in the back room (the > genealogy section)" before we even open our mouth. You get the impression > they see lots of us genealogists, even in counties way off the beaten path. > > It was so exciting to find my gggg-grandfather's original homestead at the > Casey courthouse and then get to walk the ground where he built his log > cabin and planted his first crop. Even found the old family graveyard with a > headstone for one of his sons being born in 1806. Plus there were many > unmarked field stones on the graves of the oldest inhabitants. > > Enroute back to Louisville we also stopped at Abraham Lincoln's birth place > just south of Hogdenville on state 61 which is worth a visit if only to see > the hundred foot tall oaks that Lincoln's father Tom had to cut down to > build the cabin Abe was born in. They have preserved parts of the original > cabin's timbers and used them to build a reproduction of the original cabin > built inside a truly majestic marble monumental building. Also saw the > spring where Abe's family drew their water. > > We found very good highways with minimal traffic throughout the state, even > in the off-the-path counties. After having visited probably half the states > in our nation we nominate Kentucky as perhaps the prettiest state of them > all. Of course mid May is probably the best time of year to visit since the > temperature got above 80 on only one of the ten days there and then with > relatively low humidity. > > We stayed at the Brown Motel in Liberty, Casey county and ate at the "Bread > of Life" for breakfast and lunch and at "Whiskers" for dinner. Great home > cooking in both cases. Gladys Thomas and Noreen at the public library in > liberty were so helpful in digging out books for us. We can't thank them > enough! > > Adair has an excellent Best Western on the Cumberland Parkway. We did not > stay over night in Lincoln or Green county. > > Hope this aids in planning a genealogy trip to Kentucky. You will enjoy > visiting the timbered hills, grassy meadows and tinkling creek beds where > our courageous ancestors turned their dreams into our nation's reality. > > Yours truly, > > Bill and Loydean Allen > > end > > -----Original Message----- > From: StallMW5@aol.com <StallMW5@aol.com> > To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [KYCASEY-L] Casey County Fair to have Genealogy > > >That is a wonderful thing to do, and I will be excited now to visit Casey > Co. > >again for more information. My Aunt from LA is planning a visit to KY this > >summer and I plan to bring her my Mom and another Aunt to Casey Co. > >Maybe I can meet more cousins . > >Wilma from Owensboro,Ky > > > > > > ==== KYCASEY Mailing List ==== > To send a message to the list, Send your message to > KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com Allens, Sorry you missed Bardstown in Nelson Co. It is a charming little town with a real, live drugstore that serves lunch at a counter! Everyone so friendly and chatty and it sure is a quieter pace. The library across from the court house and very convenient and all helpful. Appreciated your thoughts from other areas we may need to visit. Nancy Ahrbecker

Hello Dick, Just finished researching our ALLENs in Casey county and found their early 1800s deeds in the metes and bounds format. I understand that it may not be possible today to locate the actual land surveyed. How do they currently survey land in the old metes and bounds states, presumably not with the range-township method out west? Do they establish regional markers surveyed in with star sights down to a meter or so as we did in the missile flight test business. Of course differential GPS can fix positions down to millimeters today. But I am interested in how the old surveys are actually reconciled today. Thanks, William D. Allen Sr. end -----Original Message----- From: Rdnk4570@aol.com <Rdnk4570@aol.com> To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: [KYCASEY-L] Re: KYCASEY-D Digest V99 #106 >Charlene, > > I'm not a registered land surveyor, but I've had to run property >descriptions back a few times, so I've walked that rocky road several times. > > > Dick Scotti >

(Regarding visiting Casey county we posted the following on the ALLEN newsgroup website) For what it's worth... We just finished a ten day genealogy research trip to Kentucky. Thought other researchers would appreciate some suggestions for Kentucky "on the ground" research. We first visited the Filson Club in Louisville for the better part of two days. It's a good starting point for genealogy in Kentucky. Plenty of good motels and restaurants in the greater "Looavull" area. We especially liked the Bob Evans restaurants for excellent food at good prices. Just east on US 65 is Frankfort, the state capital, an old fashioned river town. Must be that half the houses in town are over a hundred years or more with a couple still in use that were built in the first decade of the 19th century. Holiday Inn is the only motel within walking distance of the Kentucky Historical Museum building, which houses the state genealogy research library. It's a brand new building furnished with all the genealogy tools: scads of family, county and regional state books, lots of photocopy machines and computers for Internet as well as library material locating; lots of comfortable work desks; and many census microfilm readers as well as lots of microfilms. My wife hated to leave the library but we had a schedule to keep. Enroute to Lexington we stopped at the Kentucky Horse Park dedicated to Kentucky race horses as well as saddle horses. Like mash whisky their race horses are among the best in the world. The Kentucky Horse Park located in the middle of hundreds of bluegrass horse farms is well worth the stop even if you are not a horse lover. And the grass does have a bluish tint. While at Lexington we took a break from genealogy research and visited the Berea area where we had dinner in the old Daniel Boone Tavern located on his original trail from the Cumberland Gap. Berea College is an arts school where the students learn wood working, quilting, loom rug making, etc. which are for sale in the student run store. The town is given over to antique stores as well. We left Lexington south on US 68 and visited Pleasant Hill, one of the last Quaker villages in the USA. It is set in beautiful rolling bluegrass countryside with stone fences and huge shade trees. Then it was on the Harrodsburg Fort State Park, the first white settlement in Kentucky. It is well worth a couple of hours to see how our ancestors lived in the late 1700s on the frontier of our new nation. We then headed for Casey, Lincoln, Adair and Green counties for on-site research on our ALLEN ancestors. The court house in each county was a must for original land deeds, wills, court orders and marriage bonds and recordings. The county clerk's people in every instance were gracious and tolerant of genealogists. Some counties have taken very good care of their ancient records, preserving them in transparent plastic while other counties are letting them crumble to dust. We also hit the county public library in each county and in every instance found a genealogy section and an active genealogy society. It was humorous to walk in and have the librarian tell us "It's in the back room (the genealogy section)" before we even open our mouth. You get the impression they see lots of us genealogists, even in counties way off the beaten path. It was so exciting to find my gggg-grandfather's original homestead at the Casey courthouse and then get to walk the ground where he built his log cabin and planted his first crop. Even found the old family graveyard with a headstone for one of his sons being born in 1806. Plus there were many unmarked field stones on the graves of the oldest inhabitants. Enroute back to Louisville we also stopped at Abraham Lincoln's birth place just south of Hogdenville on state 61 which is worth a visit if only to see the hundred foot tall oaks that Lincoln's father Tom had to cut down to build the cabin Abe was born in. They have preserved parts of the original cabin's timbers and used them to build a reproduction of the original cabin built inside a truly majestic marble monumental building. Also saw the spring where Abe's family drew their water. We found very good highways with minimal traffic throughout the state, even in the off-the-path counties. After having visited probably half the states in our nation we nominate Kentucky as perhaps the prettiest state of them all. Of course mid May is probably the best time of year to visit since the temperature got above 80 on only one of the ten days there and then with relatively low humidity. We stayed at the Brown Motel in Liberty, Casey county and ate at the "Bread of Life" for breakfast and lunch and at "Whiskers" for dinner. Great home cooking in both cases. Gladys Thomas and Noreen at the public library in liberty were so helpful in digging out books for us. We can't thank them enough! Adair has an excellent Best Western on the Cumberland Parkway. We did not stay over night in Lincoln or Green county. Hope this aids in planning a genealogy trip to Kentucky. You will enjoy visiting the timbered hills, grassy meadows and tinkling creek beds where our courageous ancestors turned their dreams into our nation's reality. Yours truly, Bill and Loydean Allen end -----Original Message----- From: StallMW5@aol.com <StallMW5@aol.com> To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [KYCASEY-L] Casey County Fair to have Genealogy >That is a wonderful thing to do, and I will be excited now to visit Casey Co. >again for more information. My Aunt from LA is planning a visit to KY this >summer and I plan to bring her my Mom and another Aunt to Casey Co. >Maybe I can meet more cousins . >Wilma from Owensboro,Ky > >

We just returned from Frankfort. The Holiday Inn is within walking distance to the Kentucky History Museum. Check out the following website for hours etc., http://www.kentuckyconnect.com/kyprojects/historycenter/about.html Yours truly, Bill and Loydean Allen end -----Original Message----- From: R & C Jones <babe@netdirect.net> To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: [KYCASEY-L] Archives Building >Can anyone tell me where the Archives Building is located in Frankfort, >Kentucky and their hours? And any places close to spend the night, need >to be clean and nice, but not expensive. > >Thank you Roberta > >

In a message dated 05/16/1999 4:53:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ballensr@home.com writes: > I understand that it may not be > possible today to locate the actual land surveyed. At the NGS Conference held in Nashville, TN, in 1996, one of the sessions was on how to locate land with descriptions such as "Begining at a marked black oak . . . " The purpose of the lecture was to teach people how to read and interpret the measurements and actually draw an outline of the property. Definitions of terms such as pole, perch, rod, link, etc., were explained. There are several mapping programs that will do this. Two that I know of are Black Oak Mapper, Black Oak Systems, 7472 Mt. Sherman Rd., Longmont, CO 80503-8678; and Deed Plotter + for Windows, Greenbrier Graphics, Inc., 438 Lockbridge Rd, Meadow Bridge, WV 25976. After you obtain the drawing you compare it to topographic maps of the area using the various waterways which were normally mentioned in such deeds to help you locate the actual piece of property. I'm sorry I'm not able to give a better description or explain it in detail. I've seen it done by professional genealogists so I know it can be done. Jacque

Charlene, have been following your messages re: Casey Co. Everton's says that Casey Co was formed from Lincoln Co in 1807 and County Clerk has land records from 1806. Records at Liberty 42539. Lincoln County was formed 1780 from Kentucky County VA where County Clerk has m, div,probate, civ court records from 1792 at Stanford, KY 40484. Kentucky Co., VA was formed 1777 from Fincastle, Co., VA and was discontinued in 1780. Good Luck with your research. Hal, from sunny but cool Northern California.

Dick, thanks for the input. I appreciate it. I don't even know where to go to find old Plat books. The ones they had in the clerk's office were more recent. Woods Creek only runs a few miles. I'm just intrigued because it's so near the area where my mother grew up, yet she never heard of the Crutchers until I started my research. I had been considering hiring a local attorney; I think the title company is a better (and probably cheaper) idea. Thanks!

Dear Pat Thank you so much for the information. I have a lot to learn about taxes and deeds. Cindy At 07:25 PM 5/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Cindy, > >Land on the Tax records was > >1) first surveyed before a land patent or grant was given. THis was one of >the requirements for being granted land. you had to pay the surveyor to make >a survey and register it with the state land office. >who ever paid for the survey is listed in the survey category. > >2) then when a land patent/grant was issued (meaning the requirement of >settlement and development was met) >whoever got the grant was the person in whose name the land was entered > >3) then the person chargeable is the person who owns it now and owes the tax. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++ >if the three are different there is a story there. rare is the person >surveyed different from the person entered since the two occur very close >together maybe only a year or two apart. (but I have a case in NC where the >wife paid for the survey before she married and then the husband got the >patent after they married) But the person chargeable is the current owner >and the land may have changed hands sevearl times from the original patent >holder (the person entered) I advise that your can use the names as a clue. >For instance if the person entered and chargeable difer then you can go to >the county deed records and look for a deed from the original patent holder >to the current owner. perhaps the deed will have family data or state some >useful relationship between the two of interest in your genealogy work. > >Patrick >