I'm new to the list. My Shockley family seem to be one of those families, that just seem to miss the census taker every 10 years. Richard and his family are buried in Gross Cemetery in Randolph Co. AR., that's the only place I found them together. It hasn't helped that I was told they came from Ireland around 1860. This is the information I have, hope someone can help me. I will gladly share what I have. Thanks, Sharon in Georgia According to the 1910 and 1920 census of Randolph Co. Ar., David Russell Shocklee said his parents were born in Kentucky, (NOT IRELAND). David Russell Shocklee was born in 1870 or 71 in Kentucky. Found Richard Shockly born 1831 in Casey Co. Ky. (my records have b. 1812) Found marriage of Richard Shockley and Ellen Hinkle, February 3, 1856, Muhlenberg, Ky. Richard, Ellen and Lucy Shockley found in 1860 Census in Ky., no Frank, but Frank was born in 1848, according to his headstone. Lucy was born 1860. Maybe Frank was from a previous marriage or he was a family member living with them after the 1860 Census. David Russell Shocklee had a cousin Francis Shockley, married to Matilda. Francis and Matilda lived in Randolph County, Arkansas. ( David is the son of Richard Syrl Shocklee ) Notes of a possible cousin: Francis Marion Shockley b. 1859 AR (s/o John T. & Mariah J. Shockley) married my gggaunts Matilda and Jane Manerva Starling (ds/of Middleton & Manerva Starling) and I have BTW, Francis Marions' father John T. is said to be born in KY in 1832. 1900 Census Randolph Co., AR - Ingram Twp ED103 SD2 V34 enum. 6/2/1900 by John W. Spikes Sht 2 wrtn pg 9/7 Line 67-71 dwelling/family 33: Shockley, Frances - head, W, M, May 1859, 41, M, 7, AR, KY, KY, Farmer... Matilda - wife, W, F, Jan 1869, 31, M, 7, 2, 1, AR GA AR.. Bertha T. - dau, W, F, Sep 1884, 15, S, AR AR AR John M. - son, W, M, Aug 1887, 12, S, AR, AR, AR Frances E. - son, W, M, Nov 1892, 7, S, AR, AR, AR 1860 Census AR Randolph Co., per Kathy Davis William Shockley ( spelled as book) 16 Illinois is living in household of Isaac Garrett. #1097 Catherine Shockley 51 Tn Gideon L.S. 11 Ar Wiley G. 9 Ar James N. Harris 22 Ar #647 John T. Shockley 28 Ky Mariah J. 27 Tn William B 2 Ky Francis M. 1 Ar Flin Spikes 21 Ar Notes of Walt Wayer: ( his grandmother was a Shockley ) Something else interesting. On the McLean county, Ky 1870 census there is a Francis M Shockley, age 9, from Arkansas. He is living with the Peterson family. IGA RECORD--- 1.William Shockley Sex M, Born 18 Sept. 1804, Grayson’, Virginia, Parents Father: Meredith Shockley 2. William R. Shockley Sex M, Born 1805, Pittsylvania’, Virginia Father: Meredith Shockley Mother: Sarah Worrell Meredith Shockley Married Sarah Worrell 1790 Grayson, Virginia This seems to be the family of William Shockly and Nancy: Source: Family Treemaker –Copy of 1850 Census, Look-up from Casey Co. 1850 Census of Casey Co. Kentucky William Shockly 46 M Farmer 1600 Kentucky Nancy Shockly 46 F Spinster Virginia ( Why did they refer to women as Spinster if they were Richard S? 19 M Farmhand Ky. Married? they even referred to Susanah as Spinster.) John T? 17 M Farmhand Ky Susanah 15 F Spinster Ky. William J? 13 M Ky. Margaret 11 - Ky. George M? 8 M Ky. _____________________________________ Pleasant Shockly 21 M Farmer Ky. Franky J. 16 F Spinster Ky William ? 1/12 M Ky. Source : LDS – familysearch.org –IGI files 1. Richard SHOCKLY Sex: M Born: 1831 Casey', 'Kentucky 2. John P. SHOCKLY (John P. could be John T.) Sex: M Born: 1833 (John T. was born 1832 in Kentucky) Casey', 'Kentucky ( father of Francis Marion Shockley) 3. Susannah SHOCKLY Sex: F Born: 1835 Casey', 'Kentucky 4. William SHOCKLY Sex: M Born: 1837 Casey', 'Kentucky 5.George W. SHOCKLY Sex: M Born: 1842 Casey', 'Kentucky 6. Pleasant Shockly (6th day of August 1850 Casey Co. Ky. Census ) Sex: M Pleasant Shockly 21 M Farmer Ky. Born: 1829 Franky J. 16 F Spinster K y. Casey’, ‘Kentucky William 1/12 M Ky. 1. William SHOCKLY Sex: M Born: 1849 Casey', 'Kentucky : Father: Pleasant_ SHOCKLY Mother: Frankey_ J. August 6th 1850 Census Casey Co. Ky. -

Hazel sorry to hear that...

I received this from another site and thought I'd pass it on - it might help some people out........jo >The purpose of this page is to identify our "Lost Leaves", meaning that >these photographs have been placed here in the hopes that family members >will be able to identify and claim them. They were found in Antique stores and flea markets. > > >Lost Leaves Photos http://geneagraphx.com/leaves.htm > >

Larry; As long as you give folks the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes people are just beginning and have nothing, or very little to give in exchange. I just found a gentleman researcher who has been working on my lines for decades. He could take one of my lines back to 400 a.d. Before I found him it was a brick wall. I tied right into the information he had on my line, so there was no doubt it was the same family. But all I had to give were 4 generations down that line! He had given gedcoms and reports that took decades of time to accumulate. I'm sure it will end up in the hands of some young researchers later down the line, because he passed it on to me! But for now, I am a taker on this line. Sometimes. people are new, just putting feelers out and then give up Sometimes, we loose messages, and much as we think about responding the opportunity is gone with the message Sometimes, people don't know they should answer all inquiries. I try to answer every personal email. A few have slipped through the cracks, and if any of you are missing a response from me, I want you to know it wasn't intentional!!! And yes, there probably those who just want to take. But, most folks true in their intent to do genealogical research are BIG GIVERS. I haven't met many who take advantage. They don't stay long enough for me to feel bad about them. In KY I am researching the areas between BARDSTOWN and LIBERTY...surnames are: SWEENEY, STALLINGS, HALL, PHILLIPS, LEEMAN, NOE, BEAM, PEAK, NEVITT, BEALL, MAGRUDER, MILBURN, CARTWRIGHT, and quite a few more..........Christen A. Rosamilia

Joseph, this is a world-wide problem. Each of us feels like it is just us but "taint" so. You shared with me. I hope I shared what I had. If I failed to do so, let me know. Hazel

I have a Bell family member who was married to Bailey F. Brown in Casey Co. October 28 , 1831. Her name is Jane Bell born 1812 in casey Co. died between 1850 1nd 1855. Their children were ; Thomas John Malissa William Chesley Dica A. Marion Matilda This is all the information I have on Jane Bell , and I was wondering if anyone has additional information on her. After Jane died Bailey Brown married Priscilla Rayborn in Casey Co. I have information on my Brown line I will share , hope someone has some information on Jane Bell. Thanks Bob

in adair co census 1850 john and sarah goodin lists henry goodin as child born c-1838 adair co.have henry goodin[gooden] marrid to lucy jane powell feb. 01,1858 at 22 yrs age.1870 census in adair co. lists henry and lucy with 5 children.henry died 1876 adair co. find lds record showing henry goodin and sarah robinson married in casey co ky march 22 , 1871. can anyone tell me if these are the same henry,s..which one was john's son..many thanks for any time spent on this. ira goodin goodin@flex.net

Larry, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :-) Christy

-----Original Message----- From: flcrkr@mindspring.com <flcrkr@mindspring.com> To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [KYCASEY-L] Geodes >May I be so bold as to make a suggestion to all? When you use someone else's >mail to send your message, please change the subject. For example, see >above. This is not about Geodes at all. > >I have reached for the delete key several times this morning on letters with >a Geodes subject only to notice that the sender is asking for help with a >family or a lookup. The subject line is your attention-getter. > >Just want to help. Hazel > > > >

Yes Larry, I have had the problem you mentioned below, with one of my first cuz. I guess everyone has a "taker" in their faimly. But we get past them and go on with the "givers". There is a lot more "givers" out there than "takers", only one bad seed, doesn't keep the rest of us from growing. Roberta Joseph L Clements wrote: > There is another side of the coin, however. There are the givers and sharers > and then there are the takers, those that take your info and never send > anything in return, even after much cajoling. Therefore I have become very > skeptical about sending info to anyone. > > Has anyone out there also experienced this problem? > > Larry

There are many wonderful and sharing individuals associated with this list and I want thank them as a group as I have done individually. I have received much valuable info to compliment and add to my family history, and for this I will be eternally grateful. These individuals know who they are and how much I appreciate there work. There is another side of the coin, however. There are the givers and sharers and then there are the takers, those that take your info and never send anything in return, even after much cajoling. Therefore I have become very skeptical about sending info to anyone. Has anyone out there also experienced this problem? Larry

That was a wonderful article on geodes, but before we get all sentimental and idealize our ancestors as simple wonderful and perfect people, we should remember the common name used by many in Casey Co and that area for geodes. It was not very faltering to a group of people and not a epithet we would like to hear repeated today. Do not try to erase the warts from our forefathers. Larry

May I be so bold as to make a suggestion to all? When you use someone else's mail to send your message, please change the subject. For example, see above. This is not about Geodes at all. I have reached for the delete key several times this morning on letters with a Geodes subject only to notice that the sender is asking for help with a family or a lookup. The subject line is your attention-getter. Just want to help. Hazel

Hello Larry, I think you may want to read the"Geode" story again. Don't you think that the shell is the whole family and the crystals within are the individuals.? As Jackie wrote, some crystals are whole while some are clay crusted and broken, Don't you think those represent our forefathers warts? I for one loved the story and hope Jackie will share more with us. Ina J.

In a message dated 6/13/99 7:05:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moore@misslink.net writes: << Jim I have a Rachel Frankie Bell born 1852 in Wayne Co, Ky. Any Connection?Father was Jeremiah Bell b 1818 KY and mother Nancy Davis b 1819 KY. Children John 1841, Malecia b1843, James 1846, Benjamin 1848, Rachel Frankie 10 Dec, 1852, Charles Shelby 1856, and Francis M. They are from My Mikel Line which Connects to my Moore Line with my husbands mother Clara F. Mikel Moore. Nancy Moore >> Thanks for writing, Nancy. I have never been able to connect with any of the Wayne County Bells. It's funny that my grandfather Carigan came from Wayne County to Casey County, where he married Gertrude May Bell Cundiff, and his mother-in-law was Josephine Bell. I am related to many of the other earliest surnames in Wayne County, however. Best Regards Jim Carigan

Jim I have a Rachel Frankie Bell born 1852 in Wayne Co, Ky. Any Connection?Father was Jeremiah Bell b 1818 KY and mother Nancy Davis b 1819 KY. Children John 1841, Malecia b1843, James 1846, Benjamin 1848, Rachel Frankie 10 Dec, 1852, Charles Shelby 1856, and Francis M. They are from My Mikel Line which Connects to my Moore Line with my husbands mother Clara F. Mikel Moore. Nancy Moore JimMonomoy@aol.com wrote: > Jackie, > > Thanks for your "Geodes". My grandmother, Gertie CARIGAN (nee CUNDIFF), had > many flower beds built with geode borders in her yard at the corner of Maple > Lane and Middleburg Street in Liberty. And I have gone wading many times in > Brush Creek. You have done a great job of capturing the special character of > a place and its people. > > Best Regards, > Jim Carigan > Frankfort KY > USA > email: jimmonomoy@aol.com, jimmonomoy@hotmail.com > WWW home: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/JimMonom.htm > Lighthouses: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/jimmomoy.htm > The Lighthouse Hunter's Guide: http://users.aol.com/uslhswww/lhindex.htm > Infrastructure: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/1943 > Genealogy: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/James-M-Carigan/ > Ryan Clan US: http://www.ryans.org > > Researching CARIGAN / CARRIGAN / CUNDIFF / BELL / ALLEN / RICH / HARMON / > RYAN / HUTCHISON / GHOLSON / LANGSTON / WILSON / DAVENPORT / SMITH / > FITZPATRICK / THÈRIAULT

Can anyone out there send me the "Geodes" email again. Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- From: JimMonomoy@aol.com <JimMonomoy@aol.com> To: KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCASEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [KYCASEY-L] Geodes Jackie, Thanks for your "Geodes". My grandmother, Gertie CARIGAN (nee CUNDIFF), had many flower beds built with geode borders in her yard at the corner of Maple Lane and Middleburg Street in Liberty. And I have gone wading many times in Brush Creek. You have done a great job of capturing the special character of a place and its people. Best Regards, Jim Carigan Frankfort KY USA email: jimmonomoy@aol.com, jimmonomoy@hotmail.com WWW home: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/JimMonom.htm Lighthouses: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/jimmomoy.htm The Lighthouse Hunter's Guide: http://users.aol.com/uslhswww/lhindex.htm Infrastructure: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/1943 Genealogy: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/James-M-Carigan/ Ryan Clan US: http://www.ryans.org Researching CARIGAN / CARRIGAN / CUNDIFF / BELL / ALLEN / RICH / HARMON / RYAN / HUTCHISON / GHOLSON / LANGSTON / WILSON / DAVENPORT / SMITH / FITZPATRICK / THÈRIAULT

Jackie, Your beautiful piece, "Geodes", brought tears to my eyes. We have only recently discovered Casey County, the home of my husband's ancestors, the Sluders and the Durhams. It is a truly unique place. I believe that your geode simile can be applied to all genealogy research. I will keep it in my files. Judy Sluder, Boone County, KY _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Jackie, Thanks for your "Geodes". My grandmother, Gertie CARIGAN (nee CUNDIFF), had many flower beds built with geode borders in her yard at the corner of Maple Lane and Middleburg Street in Liberty. And I have gone wading many times in Brush Creek. You have done a great job of capturing the special character of a place and its people. Best Regards, Jim Carigan Frankfort KY USA email: jimmonomoy@aol.com, jimmonomoy@hotmail.com WWW home: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/JimMonom.htm Lighthouses: http://users.aol.com/JimMonomoy/private/jimmomoy.htm The Lighthouse Hunter's Guide: http://users.aol.com/uslhswww/lhindex.htm Infrastructure: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/1943 Genealogy: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/James-M-Carigan/ Ryan Clan US: http://www.ryans.org Researching CARIGAN / CARRIGAN / CUNDIFF / BELL / ALLEN / RICH / HARMON / RYAN / HUTCHISON / GHOLSON / LANGSTON / WILSON / DAVENPORT / SMITH / FITZPATRICK / THÈRIAULT

Dear Jackie Zortman, thank you so very much for "Geodes". You brought back a memory long forgotten of the times I spend with my cousins during the summers in Kentucky. CHELF Ridge is named after my CHELF ancestors and it was a nice surprise to see it mentioned in your writings. Thank you. I get so much from this list. It really surprises me to see all the information that comes through with my email everyday. Thanks again, Pat