Bruce, Thanks for your reply. I have in front of me a copy of the Carter County Births for the year 1853 and Winfield SCOTT is actually the line above the son born to Albert and Julina RICE. Their son's name is James Faris RICE and he was born November 29, 1853. I find it interesting that you gave 2 initials for Albert RICE's middle names as I have seen him as Albert G. RICE and Albert H. RICE. Do you have names to go with those initials? Are you related to this family? As for the Helphenstine name, I am looking for a farm owned in 1965 by a couple with that name. That farm is where my grandfather was buried, but I don't know for sure what county it is in as my mother's memory is not what it was (she thinks either Fleming County or maybe Carter County). I look forward to hearing from you again. Gail Rice Farmer -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Logan <blogan@zoomnet.net> To: donandgail <dfarmer@prodigy.net> Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] Surnames >Gail, > >I have Albert G. H. Rice, b. abt. 1832, m. Julian J. Rice. They had >one son that I know of, Winfeld Scott Rice, b. 05 February 1853 in >Carter Co., KY. Albert G. H. was the son of Elijah and Sarah (Riffe) >Rice. > >What is your Helphenstine connection? > >Bruce > >Bruce E. Logan Jr. >2234 Concord Dr. >Wheelersburg, OH 45694-9169 >blogan@zoomnet.net >Van Bibber Pioneers: http://www.zoomnet.net/~blogan >Owner: Van Bibber List - Van_Bibber-L.request@rootsweb.com >Owner: Penland List - Penland-L.request@rootsweb.com >ICQ No. 12054124 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: donandgail <dfarmer@prodigy.net> >To: <KYCARTER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:55 PM >Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] Surnames > > >> I am searching the names of FARIS, HELPHENSTINE, and Albert RICE >married to >> Julina about 1850. >> Gail in Texas >