Sorry to hear about your mother's illness and pray for her recovery. Norma In a message dated 3/28/2004 11:50:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Do to my mothers recent brain surgery and soon radiation therapy, I must leave the groups at this time.. thank you ~Pam~ aka ~Thunderspirit~

THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Pike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] Update on Kentucky Vital Records > I wanted everyone to know that we won this round of > the fight for vital records in Kentucky. The Senate sent > the bill back to committee, effectively killing it. > Many thanks to all of you for calling and emailing the > Senators. Together we can make a difference. > THANKS! > Sharon > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Do to my mothers recent brain surgery and soon radiation therapy, I must leave the groups at this time.. thank you ~Pam~ aka ~Thunderspirit~

I wanted everyone to know that we won this round of the fight for vital records in Kentucky. The Senate sent the bill back to committee, effectively killing it. Many thanks to all of you for calling and emailing the Senators. Together we can make a difference. THANKS! Sharon

I just spoke with somone at "Bill Status" and I was told Bill HB100 has been "recommitted" to the Veterans Committee Military Affairs & Public Protection. The person also said "it didn't look good." especially if the bill is not sent back to the Senate before they adjourn on April 13th. Deb --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:03:28 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] >To follow is the bill location of HB 100 we are following relative to Vital Records in Kentucky. Note it has been reassigned to committee. Hopefully it will die there. Nancy Brinly > >http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/RECORD/04RS/HB100.htm > > >==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== >Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

To follow is the bill location of HB 100 we are following relative to Vital Records in Kentucky. Note it has been reassigned to committee. Hopefully it will die there. Nancy Brinly http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/RECORD/04RS/HB100.htm

Lydia, I just tried the Rootsweb Town Search and it is working properly. Just fill in the name of the town and State and it will give you to county. I use it to search for towns without listing the state. I have found this useful when other researchers give me faulty information about the state where something happened. Knowing which states have a town of that name will help me sort out errors. It's a great site! Don't fall for the ancestry.com search screen at the top. That is an advertisement. (They can do this because Ancestry (or MyFamily.com) actually owns Rootsweb.) Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lydia Justice Edwards" <[email protected]> > Hello, I wanted to tell you that I followed your suggestion, and it ends up > being another Ancestry.com commercials to try to sell me membership. > > How do they insert themselves into our > work? Seems this is a real intrusion of our privacy. I thought you would > want to know. Thank you for trying. Lydia > > > I have found http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi > > very helpful in identifying the locations of small towns in the U.S. > > Becky Mantle Starks

The Boyd County Library has d certs and if you are in there copies are now only .10. You can write the staff for their fee for pulling if you have proper citation. If you need extended or professional: Teresa Martin Klaiber dba Family Lineage Investigations c/o Deliverance Farm 22937 Long Branch Rush, KY 41168 [email protected] www.deliverancefarm.com -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 21:46:57 To: [email protected] Subject: [KYCARTER] Re: Kentucky Vital Records 1911-1953 ordering information I've gotten so many requests that I'd better clarify how to get copies of the non-certified death certificates for 1911 - 1953 from the Kentucky Historical Society. You have to GO to the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort to copy them yourself for .30. You can also request a library reference person to copy it for you by mail or online. The charge is $5 if you are in-state or $12 if you are out-of-state. If you want more than one certificate use the Staff Researcher service which is hourly. $25 per hour (or $15 if you are a member of the Kentucky Historical Society.) They can copy several in an hour. Please us the online index to get the certificate number and year that it was filed. (usually this is the same year as the death.) One of the easiest to use is the Kentucky Vital Records Project of the Kentucky Gen Web. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kvrp/ You can order the certificates online with a credit card from the Kentucky Historical Society. Go to http://history.ky.gov Click on "Shop the 1792 Store" Click on "research" By mail with a check in advance: Kentucky Historical Society Library 100 W. Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601 ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== List Mom for KYCARTER: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 .

Hello, I wanted to tell you that I followed your suggestion, and it ends up being another Ancestry.com commercials to try to sell me membership. How do they insert themselves into our work? Seems this is a real intrusion of our privacy. I thought you would want to know. Thank you for trying. Lydia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: [KYCARTER] Re: KYCARTER-D Digest V04 #60 > I have found http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi > very helpful in identifying the locations of small towns in the U.S. > Becky Mantle Starks > researching: > Tolliver and Tussey in Carter County > Mantle/Mantel/Mantell in Boyd County > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I have found http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi very helpful in identifying the locations of small towns in the U.S. Becky Mantle Starks researching: Tolliver and Tussey in Carter County Mantle/Mantel/Mantell in Boyd County

Do you have any suggestions on how I might be able to break through this brick wall? Margie Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Martin Klaiber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 Most laid out at home - there was no funeral home directly in Rush, Coalton or Kilgore. Teresa Martin Klaiber dba Family Lineage Investigations c/o Deliverance Farm 22937 Long Branch Rush, KY 41168 [email protected] www.deliverancefarm.com -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 06:09:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 Dear Margie, I have not been back to the Kilgore Cemetery yet. The rain has kept the leaves and the soil wet, and slippery. I did get three rolls of film developed from my first trek. Details of the stones are difficult to capture. I will go back with chalk some other way of bringing out the faded inscriptions. And surveyors tape to mark off the area. So far, starting at the lower part of the ridge, where I began, are the graves of the William family. So doubt, Williams Creek was named for this prolific family. This is a major project. The graves stretch for 1/4 miles up a ridge. It must be achieved before the snakes all start to move, because the leaves are deep. So, this won't help you much in the short term. I hope others will answer your question about the funeral home. Kilgore is located about 8 miles from Grayson and 18 miles from Ashland. Embalming was not required or widely accepted in rural communities. The habit was to bury the dead within 24 hours. I will look for Mr. Descent's grave, if it is marked, when I return. I hope you can shake loose something about the old history of the area. As you already know, the iron ore works and later the coal mines lured families into that area. Lydia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 > I am looking for a funeral home and/or church that would have served the > area of Kilgore Cemetery in 1880. John Descent died 29 June 1880. His > son James is also in Kilgore Cemetery, having lived 2 May 1874-12 Mar > 1875. I understand that there are no cemetery records any longer. (I am > hoping that those who are taking pictures of the tombstones are able to > locate these two.) Kentucky does not have death records for 1880. So I > was wondering if someone might know of the funeral home which may have > handled the funerals and where their records might be. What churches > were in that area then? Where might their records be? I do not know what > denomination the family might have been. In 1910, the mother in this > family was buried from an Episcopal Church in Huntington, WV at Spring > Hill Cemetery. Thanks. Margie Fuller > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List === > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================= > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidI30&sourceid37 > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List === We have archives! Search for your KYCARTER information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYCARTER ============================= Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidI30&sourceid37 . ==== KYCARTER Mailing List === We have archives! Search for your KYCARTER information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYCARTER ============================= Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidI30&sourceid37

The Senate did not vote on the vital records bill yesterday. (HB100) They passed it over and did not vote on it. It still could come up for a vote before the sessions ends. To make your feelings known, contact the Senate: Out of State 502-564-8100 In Kentucky: 1-800-372-7181 You can leave a message for ALL Senators. If you do not live in Kentucky tell them that this bill affects your right to information about your family who died in Kentucky. Other states have solved the identity theft issue by issuing certificates that are non-certified and stamped "For Genealogical Use Only - Not For Identification." Bill Status Line: 1-866-301-9004 HB 100

I've gotten so many requests that I'd better clarify how to get copies of the non-certified death certificates for 1911 - 1953 from the Kentucky Historical Society. You have to GO to the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort to copy them yourself for .30. You can also request a library reference person to copy it for you by mail or online. The charge is $5 if you are in-state or $12 if you are out-of-state. If you want more than one certificate use the Staff Researcher service which is hourly. $25 per hour (or $15 if you are a member of the Kentucky Historical Society.) They can copy several in an hour. Please us the online index to get the certificate number and year that it was filed. (usually this is the same year as the death.) One of the easiest to use is the Kentucky Vital Records Project of the Kentucky Gen Web. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kvrp/ You can order the certificates online with a credit card from the Kentucky Historical Society. Go to http://history.ky.gov Click on "Shop the 1792 Store" Click on "research" By mail with a check in advance: Kentucky Historical Society Library 100 W. Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601

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Just thought I would let you know...the HB100 bill is still "On the Order of the Day" for today. It was scheduled for yesterday. The Senate will be convening at 2 p.m. today. Deb -------------------------------------------------------- Researching the following Family Surnames: Hicks & Taylor (from Eastern Kentucky) Millemaci & Arlotta (Montalbano, Sicily) -------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Most laid out at home - there was no funeral home directly in Rush, Coalton or Kilgore. Teresa Martin Klaiber dba Family Lineage Investigations c/o Deliverance Farm 22937 Long Branch Rush, KY 41168 [email protected] www.deliverancefarm.com -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 06:09:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 Dear Margie, I have not been back to the Kilgore Cemetery yet. The rain has kept the leaves and the soil wet, and slippery. I did get three rolls of film developed from my first trek. Details of the stones are difficult to capture. I will go back with chalk some other way of bringing out the faded inscriptions. And surveyors tape to mark off the area. So far, starting at the lower part of the ridge, where I began, are the graves of the William family. So doubt, Williams Creek was named for this prolific family. This is a major project. The graves stretch for 1/4 miles up a ridge. It must be achieved before the snakes all start to move, because the leaves are deep. So, this won't help you much in the short term. I hope others will answer your question about the funeral home. Kilgore is located about 8 miles from Grayson and 18 miles from Ashland. Embalming was not required or widely accepted in rural communities. The habit was to bury the dead within 24 hours. I will look for Mr. Descent's grave, if it is marked, when I return. I hope you can shake loose something about the old history of the area. As you already know, the iron ore works and later the coal mines lured families into that area. Lydia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 > I am looking for a funeral home and/or church that would have served the > area of Kilgore Cemetery in 1880. John Descent died 29 June 1880. His > son James is also in Kilgore Cemetery, having lived 2 May 1874-12 Mar > 1875. I understand that there are no cemetery records any longer. (I am > hoping that those who are taking pictures of the tombstones are able to > locate these two.) Kentucky does not have death records for 1880. So I > was wondering if someone might know of the funeral home which may have > handled the funerals and where their records might be. What churches > were in that area then? Where might their records be? I do not know what > denomination the family might have been. In 1910, the mother in this > family was buried from an Episcopal Church in Huntington, WV at Spring > Hill Cemetery. Thanks. Margie Fuller > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== We have archives! Search for your KYCARTER information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYCARTER ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 .

Thanks for your efforts. When I read about other people successes with church records, funeral home records, and cemetery records, it frustrates me with this brick wall. I did learn from hubby's grandfather's birth record that John Descent was born in Paris, France. I live in the Midwest, so I do not have the opportunity to do some digging personally in that area. Thanks. Margie -----Original Message----- From: Lydia Justice Edwards [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 Dear Margie, I have not been back to the Kilgore Cemetery yet. The rain has kept the leaves and the soil wet, and slippery. I did get three rolls of film developed from my first trek. Details of the stones are difficult to capture. I will go back with chalk some other way of bringing out the faded inscriptions. And surveyors tape to mark off the area. So far, starting at the lower part of the ridge, where I began, are the graves of the William family. So doubt, Williams Creek was named for this prolific family. This is a major project. The graves stretch for 1/4 miles up a ridge. It must be achieved before the snakes all start to move, because the leaves are deep. So, this won't help you much in the short term. I hope others will answer your question about the funeral home. Kilgore is located about 8 miles from Grayson and 18 miles from Ashland. Embalming was not required or widely accepted in rural communities. The habit was to bury the dead within 24 hours. I will look for Mr. Descent's grave, if it is marked, when I return. I hope you can shake loose something about the old history of the area. As you already know, the iron ore works and later the coal mines lured families into that area. Lydia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 > I am looking for a funeral home and/or church that would have served the > area of Kilgore Cemetery in 1880. John Descent died 29 June 1880. His > son James is also in Kilgore Cemetery, having lived 2 May 1874-12 Mar > 1875. I understand that there are no cemetery records any longer. (I am > hoping that those who are taking pictures of the tombstones are able to > locate these two.) Kentucky does not have death records for 1880. So I > was wondering if someone might know of the funeral home which may have > handled the funerals and where their records might be. What churches > were in that area then? Where might their records be? I do not know what > denomination the family might have been. In 1910, the mother in this > family was buried from an Episcopal Church in Huntington, WV at Spring > Hill Cemetery. Thanks. Margie Fuller > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List === > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================= > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidI30&sourceid37 > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List === We have archives! Search for your KYCARTER information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=KYCARTER ============================= Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidI30&sourceid37

Dear Margie, I have not been back to the Kilgore Cemetery yet. The rain has kept the leaves and the soil wet, and slippery. I did get three rolls of film developed from my first trek. Details of the stones are difficult to capture. I will go back with chalk some other way of bringing out the faded inscriptions. And surveyors tape to mark off the area. So far, starting at the lower part of the ridge, where I began, are the graves of the William family. So doubt, Williams Creek was named for this prolific family. This is a major project. The graves stretch for 1/4 miles up a ridge. It must be achieved before the snakes all start to move, because the leaves are deep. So, this won't help you much in the short term. I hope others will answer your question about the funeral home. Kilgore is located about 8 miles from Grayson and 18 miles from Ashland. Embalming was not required or widely accepted in rural communities. The habit was to bury the dead within 24 hours. I will look for Mr. Descent's grave, if it is marked, when I return. I hope you can shake loose something about the old history of the area. As you already know, the iron ore works and later the coal mines lured families into that area. Lydia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 > I am looking for a funeral home and/or church that would have served the > area of Kilgore Cemetery in 1880. John Descent died 29 June 1880. His > son James is also in Kilgore Cemetery, having lived 2 May 1874-12 Mar > 1875. I understand that there are no cemetery records any longer. (I am > hoping that those who are taking pictures of the tombstones are able to > locate these two.) Kentucky does not have death records for 1880. So I > was wondering if someone might know of the funeral home which may have > handled the funerals and where their records might be. What churches > were in that area then? Where might their records be? I do not know what > denomination the family might have been. In 1910, the mother in this > family was buried from an Episcopal Church in Huntington, WV at Spring > Hill Cemetery. Thanks. Margie Fuller > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [KYCARTER] looking for funeral home and church in 1880 > I am looking for a funeral home and/or church that would have served the > area of Kilgore Cemetery in 1880. John Descent died 29 June 1880. His > son James is also in Kilgore Cemetery, having lived 2 May 1874-12 Mar > 1875. I understand that there are no cemetery records any longer. (I am > hoping that those who are taking pictures of the tombstones are able to > locate these two.) Kentucky does not have death records for 1880. So I > was wondering if someone might know of the funeral home which may have > handled the funerals and where their records might be. What churches > were in that area then? Where might their records be? I do not know what > denomination the family might have been. In 1910, the mother in this > family was buried from an Episcopal Church in Huntington, WV at Spring > Hill Cemetery. Thanks. Margie Fuller > > > ==== KYCARTER Mailing List ==== > List Mom for KYCARTER: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >