This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Herbert-Spa(u)lding, Dawson-Kellam-Redden-Norris, Strawn, Kees, Dawson. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAB.2ACI/33.36.53.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Josiah Herbert Sr. had two wives: he mar. (1) Sarah Hutchinson abt. 1780 Loudoun Co VA, had son Thos. Herbert b. 1783 who d. 1851 Kenton Co Ky. Thos. Herbert m. Sarah Helm 1802. Helm is a VA family who came into Ky. with the Herberts. Thos. & Sarah Helm Herbert had a daughter, Margaret Herbert who mar. John Sutton July 9, 1824 Campbell Co Ky. Sarah Helm Herbert, w/o Thos., was d/o Meredith Helm III and his wife Sarah Hunter of Frederick Co VA. I have more on siblings and forebears. You can find more Herbert lineage on my web page under topic "Herbert" at top of page. I believe I cover Helm also since Josiah Herbert Sr. of Hunterdon Co NJ/Loudoun Co VA married (2) Margaret "Peggy" Helm about 1792. Although Herbert came to New Jersey at an early date, a few of the modern-day Herbert researchers have tracked the family back to Wales. Herbert of VA not believed related. Pat D.