Stevens, William J. State: Kentucky Year: 1850 County: Hopkins Roll: Township: District 2 Page: 166 Image: This is what I found on Ancestry.com. I am not sure if this is what you are looking for or not. Emma Lou Coleman Tabor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don & Vicki Stewart" <donl@netnitco.net> To: <KYCALDWE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: Re: 1850 Hopkins Co Ky Annotated Census > Howard & Dinah wrote: > don and vickie, can you tell how i would find out if williams mansfield stevens are > living in hopkins co, 1850 ? > > Howard & Dinah, > I believe you would have to know the household number to better locate them in the 1850 Hopkins County Census that's at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/census/1850/ > I did not see an index or a search engine that's tied in to this census, but the valuable thing about the annotated > census is the comments area where you can find additional information which may have been added. You can also submit > your own data to be added into the comments section. > > (You could pull up every page and do Edit Find Stevens, or a trip to a genealogical library might be easier.) > > If you have not tried this, you might want to try and find data on these people at: > USGenWeb Archives for Hopkins County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/hopkins/hopkins.html > USGenWeb Archives for Caldwell County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/caldwell/caldwell.html > USGenWebKentucky Archives > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/kysearch.htm > > hope this helps, > Vicki > > > ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== > For Caldwell County Obituaries, > visit the Caldwell County Board > and select Obituaries. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Vicki: Got a chuckle from your, yet another, labeling that fits--- doodads that crawl. But whatever------- crawfish, crawdads, crayfish or doodads, when I see what kind of pricing is attached to them in the grocery store fish markets, I have to drool at the thousands of bucks I may have passed up growing up when we had thousands of them, everywhere. However, then they were merely a nuisance and the last thing we would have thought of eating, when today they are sophisticated delicacies. Likewise Escargot. (Best of menu---only $1.00 each.) Jess M.

Howard & Dinah wrote: don and vickie, can you tell how i would find out if williams mansfield stevens are living in hopkins co, 1850 ? Howard & Dinah, I believe you would have to know the household number to better locate them in the 1850 Hopkins County Census that's at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/census/1850/ I did not see an index or a search engine that's tied in to this census, but the valuable thing about the annotated census is the comments area where you can find additional information which may have been added. You can also submit your own data to be added into the comments section. (You could pull up every page and do Edit Find Stevens, or a trip to a genealogical library might be easier.) If you have not tried this, you might want to try and find data on these people at: USGenWeb Archives for Hopkins County http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/hopkins/hopkins.html USGenWeb Archives for Caldwell County http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/caldwell/caldwell.html USGenWebKentucky Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/kysearch.htm hope this helps, Vicki

Vicki, If someone has a subscription to Ancestry.com the entire 1850 census is index and corresponds to the actual census page. It is very simple and easy to use. Vickie Beard Thompson FamilyQuest Research Services "We Dig Your Roots!" Currently looking for new clients. Office:801-829-5073 P.O. Box 177 Morgan, UT 84050-0177 E-mail: FamilyQuest@earthlink.net My Family Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~popfraley/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don & Vicki Stewart" <donl@netnitco.net> To: <KYCALDWE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:54 AM Subject: Re: 1850 Hopkins Co Ky Annotated Census > Howard & Dinah wrote: > don and vickie, can you tell how i would find out if williams mansfield stevens are > living in hopkins co, 1850 ? > > Howard & Dinah, > I believe you would have to know the household number to better locate them in the 1850 Hopkins County Census that's at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/census/1850/ > I did not see an index or a search engine that's tied in to this census, but the valuable thing about the annotated > census is the comments area where you can find additional information which may have been added. You can also submit > your own data to be added into the comments section. > > (You could pull up every page and do Edit Find Stevens, or a trip to a genealogical library might be easier.) > > If you have not tried this, you might want to try and find data on these people at: > USGenWeb Archives for Hopkins County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/hopkins/hopkins.html > USGenWeb Archives for Caldwell County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/caldwell/caldwell.html > USGenWebKentucky Archives > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/kysearch.htm > > hope this helps, > Vicki > > > ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== > For Caldwell County Obituaries, > visit the Caldwell County Board > and select Obituaries. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Vicki, I do know about the Mississippi Indians and I really enjoyed reading about them again from the web site you sent. That was a very thoughtful gesture and thank you. Mainly what I was wondering is what tribe was living there in the 1800's when the village was discovered by the white settlers. Has anyone been to the museum in Dawson? Maybe they have some material on the tribe that lived in the area before the whites came. I was aware that seasonal camps were lived in by the natives in that part of KY but don't know of any that lived there year round other than the very ancient time of the Mississippi. It would make sense to me if several tribes did live there but our history books (at least when I was in school and that was another century ago) say that warring tribes hunted in KY and fought each other for the territory. That was why KY was called the "dark and bloody ground." It has been many a year since I was taught that and maybe more light and facts have come to pass since then. As we all know our history is not always right. Gee, imagine that. (g) Does anyone know about the cave on the side of the road between Princeton and Dawson. I believe that would be on Hwy 62. It is right on the edge of the highway and appears to have dwindled in size the last time I was by there. Somebody said they attempted to fill it in, another tale is that is is caving in. Does anyone know the particulars? Also it may not have been there before the 1900's. What I mean is that it appears that the carving out of the road sliced through it. So maybe it starts somewhere else either up or down the hill. Did the highway follow the old wagon road or was it blasted out to make a new one? My all these questions but I have wanted to know about the cave since I was a child and this looks like the best opportunity I'll ever have. Carolyn > Carolyn, > Here's what I can find online. I found both of these places very interesting. > > I don't know if this is the answer to your question but these Mississippi Indians seem like the type that were settlers. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.scott.k12.ky.us/southern/kyquilt/kyindians.htm > writes about Mississippi Indians: > The Mississippi Indians lived in the western part of Kentucky. The Mississippi Indians lived in groups, some of which > were very large. The Mississippi Indians lived in houses with roofs and they stayed there year-round. These Indians were > farmers. They grew corn, beans, squash, tobacco, and sunflowers. The Mississippi Indians buried their dead in long , > shallow graves in areas that resembled cemeteries. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This is real good too. > > KENTUCKY'S STORY > 1 Early Kentucky > Early Indians in Kentucky (12,000 B.C.-1650 A.D.) > http://www.cynthianaky.com/ket1.htm > > The last of the prehistoric people, who lived in Kentucky from 900 A.D.-1650 A.D., were the Mississippian Indians of > western Kentucky. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Group, > (This is off subject of the Native tribe of Chalklevel) > But I found this site while looking for that and it is like a must see site for everyone. > The author of this page has done a Kentucky History Timeline, from 1739-1865. > It's part of the American Local History Network for Owen County, KY. > > They have added in green type (personal family info) but the brown type is like worth a read. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rootdigger/kyhistory.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anyone else? all help is appreciated, > Vicki > > > > > ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== > Did you know you can now upload graphic files with your post at our RootsWeb boards? > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

CAROLE, HAVE YOU FOUND OUT INDIANS WERE IN CALWELL CO, OR DAWSON SPRING YET. WILL YOU LET ME KNOW FOR SURE. MY FAMILY WILLIAM MANSFIELD STEVENS AND THOMAS E. SMITH CAME FROM THEIR. I GO TO THE SMITH CEMET. NEXT TO QUINN CHURCH. SOMETIME. I LIVIED IN PRINCTON FOR FIVE YEARS. 1950-1954 MY DAD WAS THE PASTOR AT GENERAL BAPTIST CHURCH THEIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH Carole Eve wrote: > Well, I'll be. All those years I grew up digging those things out of > the creek banks I too thought they were crawdads. I realize that was > not the "official" name for them but that's all anyone ever called them > back then. > > I didn't know there was such a thing as crawfish until I went to New > Orleans and Savannah. > > Referring to the Natives that lived in the Dawson Springs area... does > anyone know what tribe they were? > > I know that ancient Indians lived in KY in permanent villages but I was > taught in school that the "dark and bloody ground" was frequented by > different nomad tribes and hunting parties but none lived in western KY > in permanent settlements. > > Any one know? > > Carolyn > > ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== > Reunion- Desc. of Sam J.Hankins & Luticia Corley Hankins > May 18th 2002- 10:30 a.m. til 2? at Dawson Springs Comm. Center > West Keigan St.- (downtown) Dawson Springs, Ky. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Carolyn, Here's what I can find online. I found both of these places very interesting. I don't know if this is the answer to your question but these Mississippi Indians seem like the type that were settlers. ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.scott.k12.ky.us/southern/kyquilt/kyindians.htm writes about Mississippi Indians: The Mississippi Indians lived in the western part of Kentucky. The Mississippi Indians lived in groups, some of which were very large. The Mississippi Indians lived in houses with roofs and they stayed there year-round. These Indians were farmers. They grew corn, beans, squash, tobacco, and sunflowers. The Mississippi Indians buried their dead in long , shallow graves in areas that resembled cemeteries. ------------------------------------------------------- This is real good too. KENTUCKY'S STORY 1 Early Kentucky Early Indians in Kentucky (12,000 B.C.-1650 A.D.) http://www.cynthianaky.com/ket1.htm The last of the prehistoric people, who lived in Kentucky from 900 A.D.-1650 A.D., were the Mississippian Indians of western Kentucky. ------------------------------------------------------ Group, (This is off subject of the Native tribe of Chalklevel) But I found this site while looking for that and it is like a must see site for everyone. The author of this page has done a Kentucky History Timeline, from 1739-1865. It's part of the American Local History Network for Owen County, KY. They have added in green type (personal family info) but the brown type is like worth a read. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rootdigger/kyhistory.htm ------------------------------------------------------ anyone else? all help is appreciated, Vicki

sorry, meant I have also heard them called Crayfish. whatever the things are, thanks for the invite Nancy.

Jess, my dad's family always called them things with pinchers, crawdads. I didn't know there was a difference but thanks for sharing the comparison. I have heard them called Chayfish also, but the name of crawdads always seemed more approriate as they don't look like a fish to me. more like dads, dodads....that crawl. :) Vicki

Vickie Beard Thompson wrote, I have been reading your postings about Chalk Level. I have never heard of that place in Caldwell Co. But on an 1853 gazetteer that I have there is a Chalk Level P. O. in Hopkins County but it does not give an exact location. Vickie, Dawson Springs (previous Chalk Level) actually is located in Hopkins County. It borders the east Caldwell County line and driving south a few miles borders the Christian County line. I think I explained that correctly. I would like to thank you for sharing that the 1853 gazetteer shows a Chalk Level P.O. From Ken's earlier message, Dawson Springs must have become the name around 1874. Vicki

Well, I'll be. All those years I grew up digging those things out of the creek banks I too thought they were crawdads. I realize that was not the "official" name for them but that's all anyone ever called them back then. I didn't know there was such a thing as crawfish until I went to New Orleans and Savannah. Referring to the Natives that lived in the Dawson Springs area... does anyone know what tribe they were? I know that ancient Indians lived in KY in permanent villages but I was taught in school that the "dark and bloody ground" was frequented by different nomad tribes and hunting parties but none lived in western KY in permanent settlements. Any one know? Carolyn

CRAWFISH VICKI, NOT CRAWDADS-------- C-R-A-W-F-I-S-H ( WHEN I ROAMED THE BANKS OF OLD TRADEWATER IN EARLY 1930s.) Crawdads are the sophisticated & minature version thereof. (You know--Like escargot is to snail) Jess M

LOL... stop by our farm anytime... our pastures are always full of their mounds. <g> nt -----Original Message----- From: Don & Vicki Stewart [mailto:donl@netnitco.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:58 AM To: KYCALDWE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Chalk Level Must have been the deposits of all those crawdads we could never find, and years and years of various marine species. When I was a child, we had my dad tour us all over in eastern Caldwell looking for the plentiful crawdads he remembered as a child. We found some but never like he had described and never enough to satisfy our imagination. :) Vicki ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== For Caldwell County Obituaries, visit the Caldwell County Board and select Obituaries. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Must have been the deposits of all those crawdads we could never find, and years and years of various marine species. When I was a child, we had my dad tour us all over in eastern Caldwell looking for the plentiful crawdads he remembered as a child. We found some but never like he had described and never enough to satisfy our imagination. :) Vicki

Hi List, I have been reading your postings about Chalk Level. I have never heard of that place in Caldwell Co. But on an 1853 gazetteer that I have there is a Chalk Level P. O. in Hopkins County but it does not give an exact location. Hope this helps. Vickie Beard Thompson FamilyQuest Research Services "We Dig Your Roots!" Currently looking for new clients. Office:801-829-5073 P.O. Box 177 Morgan, UT 84050-0177 E-mail: FamilyQuest@earthlink.net My Family Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~popfraley/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don & Vicki Stewart" <donl@netnitco.net> To: <KYCALDWE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Chalk Level > Must have been the deposits of all those crawdads we could never find, and years and years of various marine species. > When I was a child, we had my dad tour us all over in eastern Caldwell looking for the plentiful crawdads he remembered > as a child. We found some but never like he had described and never enough to satisfy our imagination. :) > Vicki > > > ==== KYCALDWE Mailing List ==== > For Caldwell County Obituaries, > visit the Caldwell County Board > and select Obituaries. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Carolyn and all, Thank you so much for your reply! I have seen those chalk lines in the bluffs and it seems fitting to me that this name may have came about from that. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and I too, am interested , if anyone else has any more viewpoints on this. Vicki

Hi List, I have a book called "The Columbia Encyclopedia" last copywright 1938 this is the discription it gives for chalk. Chalk .. a calcium carbonate mineral, similar in composition to limestone, but softer. It is characteristically a marine formation, and sometimes occurs in great thickness; the chief constituents of these chalk deposits are the shells of minute foraminifera. Chalk has been laid down in all peroids of geologic time, but most of the best-known deposits: eg. the cliffs of the English Channel, (White Cliffs of Dover) date from the Cretaceous peroid. Chalk is used in the manufacture of putty, plaster, cement,quicklime, motar, and rubber goods,it is also used for crayons, though these are frequently made of other material. The harder forms are used as building stones. Soils containing an excessive proportion of clay are frequently dressed with chalk to lighten them and make them less sticky. Webster's New World Dictionary lists Level - a horizontal plane or line. - (among other things) I think the name Chalklevel could be from the cliffs with a level, or straight line of chalk. I don't think "Chalklevel"was a native american name, but that it was named by the English speaking people who settled this village. Peggy Gilkey \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo----McGillekehr ********************************************************************** *****Your kygenweb homepages are***** CALDWELL http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/caldwell.html LYON http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/lyon.html TRIGG http://www.kyseeker.com/trigg/index.html **********************************************************************

Hi list, I'm originally from Dawson Springs and still frequent visitor since my family lives there. I believe the name could have come from the color of the rocks on the bluffs above the Tradewater. Some of them seem to go in a line across the bluffs and appear whitish, at least to me. However, I do wonder if the name of Chalk Level came from the Native Tongue. Perhaps the natives had a name similar and with the translation to English by the early settlers came out as Chalk Level. I don't doubt that Natives lived there at all for all sorts of artifacts such as arrowheads, grinding stones, etc could be found by just poking around in the dirt when I was a child. The above thoughts are just my ponderings only and I would like to hear from anyone with thoughts on this subject. I am very interested in any topic which concerns Dawson. Carolyn Buntin Eveland

I wonder if this could have had anything to do with the rock formation around the area and the Tradewater formation? Indian speaking anyway. The rocks do have a chalk look about them. Now that I think about it, that name fits. any thoughts anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth E. Gilkey" <kengilke@evansville.net> To: <KYCALDWE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: Chalk Level > Hi Listers, > > A question asked a few months back. > > Where was Chalk Level located ???? > > Chalk level, according to > > THE DAWSON SPRINGS PROGRESS > July 25, 1974 Centennial Edition > > VILLAGE FIRST CALLED CHALKLEVEL > Dawson Springs History Has a Colorful Past > > As in the case of most locations in this country, > Indians were the first inhabitants of the area which is now Dawson > Springs. > > The earliest reference to a settlement where the city now stands is > given in the first edition of Collin's History of Kentucky. > The settlement is described as being located 18 miles southwest of > Madisonville and four miles southwest of Charlestown. > > The village was called CHALKLEVEL, > It is now Dawson Springs, Hopkins Co, Ky. > Located on the Hopkins-Caldwell Co. line.. > > Ken G. >

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