Rick, you are probably aware that it's hard to sort out all of the Phelpses. I can't identify her in "my" Butler Co. & Ohio Co., KY line. But that doesn't mean she "couldn't be" from that line. She could and I just don't know about her (haven't found evidence of her). Do you have evidence that Patsy's parents were John & unknown Phelps? Several things are going through my mind. Please allow me to brain storm and hopefully something might help. First, ... Madison Co., KY gives me a clue. There was a different unrelated Phelps line (to mine) in Madison Co., KY. They were mainly descendants of Thomas Phelps who died in Albemarle Co., VA in 1751. (see below) 1789: Record in Kentucky - PHELPSes from the Thomas Phelps, d:1751 in Albemarle Co., VA line: Phelps listed, the year and county Anthony 7/14/1789 Jefferson Co. Carey 3/17/1789 Madison Co. Carey 4/17/1789 Madison Co. John, Jr. 1789 Madison Co. John, Sr. 1789 Madison Co. Thomas 7/19/1789 Jefferson Co. The Thomas above, is actually Thomas, Jr. He died in Bullit Co,. KY in 1800. His son, Anthony, and his family generally went on the Hardin and then LaRue Counties. Another son, Josiah, (not listed above) was in Madison Co., KY from at least 1780 until 1835 when he died there. Madison Co. possibilities. Tom, Jr., also had sons named Edwin and Guy, but I have no information for them. The John, Sr., listed in the above 1789 record, was a brother of Thomas, Jr., and a son of Thomas who died in 1751 in Albemarle. He had 12 children, a John, Jr., (also listed above) and a Patsy. But Patsy is too old to be your Patsy. Although her brothers might have named one of their daughters after her (their sister). John, Jr., died in Madison Co., KY in 1798. (see the following record.) Madison Co., KY Tax List for 1792: PHELPS, Cary PHELPS, John, Jr. PHELPS, John, Sr. Secondly, because you have them married in Grayson Co..... we know that some of the Butler Co. Phelps line was in Grayson Co., KY. John Phelps, son of "my" "Old William", was living in Grayson Co., in 1815 until his death after 1838. But, at the time of your Patsy's birth, 7 Aug 1798, John was living in Warren Co., KY, not Madison Co. (see proof below) 1798 - Abstracted from Warren Co., KY Court Orders, 1797-1801, volume 1.: Friday, 6 Apr 1798, same judges present. John KING vs John PHELPS. Jury called: John ANDERSON, John RAY, Danl WALKER, Sneed DAVIS, David WALLACE, Geo MARTIN, John STEEL, John LOGSDON, Robt KELLY, Will WINKFIELD, Rollins ROGERS & Geo CHAPMAN. Perhaps your birth place for her is incorrect, or....perhaps her mother could have been visiting her family (whoever she was) in Madison Co., KY and Patsy happened to be born there during her visit. It did happen to some woman like that. ??? There are inconsistencies but also commonalties. Thirdly, the CHANCELLOR name. David Chancellor married Margaret Phelps, daughter of "Old William in Green Co., KY on 14 Nov 1793. I know of a son for them named John. Was William also one of their sons? (The Spencer Co., IN connection.) Their son, John, married one of his first cousins, Rebecca K. Abney. William could have also married one of his first cousins, a daughter of his Uncle John who was living in the same county, Grayson. I just haven't found any information for John having any children. The 1815 Grayson Co., Tax List won't help because they don't list children. Have you found a marriage bond or license for them in Grayson Co? Did it list her father as John? If so, that is probably enough proof of her. We need to check the 1810 Census carefully and see if John had a daughter that age. David CHANCELLOR lived in Spencer Co, IN in the 1820 Census. Did William and Patsy as well? Well, it looks like I've just talked myself full circle... and taken up a lot of time. Sorry. I shouldn't think on line. :>) Please tell me what your thoughts are. And, maybe someone else will join in the chat with more information. You mentioned a Felix. You probably already know this....but, there was a Butler Co., William PHELPS, who moved to Warrick Co., IN. Also a Felix Phelps in Warrick Co. records: Warrick County Marriage Records, Prior to 1900, P ~ Q: Phelp, Phillip F. to Tennison, Elizabeth Jul 3, 1835 Phelps, Stephen to Wood, Peggy Nov 21, 1836 no return Phelps, William to Leewright, Rugha May 31, 1846 Phelps, Felix to Dukes, Elizabeth Apr 22, 1847 Mary In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:19:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:11:06 EST > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KYBUTLER] Phelps descendants > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Mary, maybe you can provide me some information regarding Patsy Phelps, who > is the daughter of John & unknown Phelps. > As I have it, Patsy was born on 7 Aug 1798 in Madison Co, KY and died > sometime before 1850 in Spencer Co, IN. > She married William Chancellor ( Chancelor) in 21 Sept 1817 in Grayson Co. > Service was performed by a William Anderson. > I am looking for a complete list of siblings between William & Patsy. > I found the 1850 US Census (Spencer, IN) that showed three children, > Margaret, Wilson, & Nancy but not sure if this is the same William and if > so, maybe > other children has grown up and left the family. > One of my cousins suspect William & Patsy had a son in 1818 (July) named > Felix. > Can you assist with Patsy's past? > > Thanks > > Rick Chancellor >