I've gotten so many requests that I'd better clarify how to get copies of the non-certified death certificates for 1911 - 1953 from the Kentucky Historical Society. You have to GO to the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort to copy them yourself for .30. You can also request a library reference person to copy it for you by mail or online. The charge is $5 if you are in-state or $12 if you are out-of-state. If you want more than one certificate use the Staff Researcher service which is hourly. $25 per hour (or $15 if you are a member of the Kentucky Historical Society.) They can copy several in an hour. Please us the online index to get the certificate number and year that it was filed. (usually this is the same year as the death.) One of the easiest to use is the Kentucky Vital Records Project of the Kentucky Gen Web. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kvrp/ You can order the certificates online with a credit card from the Kentucky Historical Society. Go to http://history.ky.gov Click on "Shop the 1792 Store" Click on "research" By mail with a check in advance: Kentucky Historical Society Library 100 W. Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601

The Senate vote on HB 100, titled "An act relating to security of vital records," is scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, March 23rd. You still have a few hours left to have a say in this matter, and concerned parties have been invited to do so. (1-800-372-7181) As I understand it, if this act passes tomorrow, no retiree living today will EVER have access to their ancestors' birth records. Those records began in 1911. The birth certificates for 1911 will become available to the public in 2011. In 2012, we will be able to see the birth certificates for people born in 1912, and so forth. Calculate your age and do the math. Some stand a better chance than others, but no matter who you are, you can forget about the birth certificates for your aunts, uncles and cousins. You will not live long enough to see those. In my opinion, 100 years is too long a period of time to restrict birth records, and I would hope that death records and marriage might be restricted for a shorter period of time as well. Brett Guthrie is the Senator for Warren and Butler counties. The people in his office are very interested in our concerns about this bill. Any person interested in the passage or failure of HB 100 has been invited to telephone the following number and express his or her feelings about the bill. You get a live person, who takes down what you say and passes it to the senator of your choice. (1-800-372-7181) A list is compiled of the number of people for and against the bill, and that figure is definitely taken into consideration. You may limit your objection to that part of the bill restricting birth records for 100 years, marriages and divorces for 70 years, and deaths for 50 years. The telephone number is 1-800-372-7181 You can find your senator at http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/whoswho/whoswho.htm You can read the entire bill at http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/record/04rs/HB100/SCS1.doc If you live out of state, you can also express your past or present desires (if any) to travel to Kentucky and spend your money here, while you do research. I do not object to the entire bill. I do find it incredible that hope of preventing identity theft is considered greater from a 1911 birth certificate than from ever once (1) logging onto the internet, (2) using a credit card, or (3) obtaining a driver's license---all activities which are not restricted by the government in any way. TennTuckie

For those of us living in Indiana... You can go to the Indiana State Library for the microfilm. The last time I was there it ws $.25 a copy. Parking is a problem when the House and Senate is in session... Lynne

The Kentucky Death certificates for 1911-1953 are available on microfilm at the Kentucky Historical Society and other genealogical libraries in Kentucky. At KHS the cost is .30 each. The deaths are indexed online at: Rootsweb http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi (1911-2000) Vital Search http://www.vitalsearch-worldwide.com/ (1911-2002) University of Kentucky http://ukcc.uky.edu/~vitalrec/ (1911-1986) This will not change if the legislation passes. Only the later certificates will not be available. Sharon

This goes to the Senate for a vote Tuesday, March 23. House approves restricting access to vital records 03:52 PM EST on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 By LRC eNews FRANKFORT - The general public would no longer have access to other people’s vital records under a bill passed by the House Tuesday. House Bill 100, sponsored by Rep. Mike Weaver, D-Elizabethtown, would limit access to birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates. Only the people in the records and their close relatives would be able to obtain copies, along with others with a legal relationship such as power of attorney. “Anyone can get your birth certificate for ten dollars, cross the state line, and suddenly they have access to your identity and your life,” Weaver said. Identity theft is a growing crime, and this bill is an effort to address that threat. Elected officials would still be able to obtain the records for their constituents under an amendment to the bill, which now goes to the Senate for its consideration.

The Kentucky Legislature is getting ready to drastically limit access to Kentucky vital records including BIRTHS, DEATHS, MARRIAGES, and DIVORCE. (MILITARY RECORDS are also being limited but I do not know which bill is involved.) You can find the entire bill at: http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/record/04rs/HB100/SCS1.doc Death certificates will still be public record after 50 years but more recent death certificates will only be available to: 1. the decedent's widow or widower, 2. child eighteen (18) years of age or older 3. parent 4. grandparent 5. sibling eighteen (18) years of age or older 6. funeral director handling the decedent's funeral arrangements 7. personal representative of the decedent's estate 8. a named beneficiary of an insurance policy of the decedent 9. a person with a claim against the decedent's estate This means that genealogists can no longer order great-uncle Jasper's death certificate to see his parents' names. Birth records will be have limited access while the person is living but will still be public record after 100 years. Divorce and marriage records will be closed for 70 years. We are very late in the process. Jan 6-introduced in House; to Health and Welfare (H) Jan 15-posted in committee Jan 29-reported favorably, 1st reading, to Calendar with Committee Substitute Jan 30-2nd reading, to Rules; floor amendment (1) filed to Committee Substitute Feb 2-posted for passage in the Regular Orders of the Day for Tuesday, February 3, 2004 Feb 10-3rd reading, passed 94-2 with Committee Substitute, floor amendment (1) Feb 11-received in Senate Feb 17-to State and Local Government (S) Mar 16-reported favorably, 1st reading, to Calendar with Committee Substitute Mar 17-2nd reading, to Rules THIS TUESDAY, March 23, this bill will be voted on in the full Senate. If it passes, it will go to Gov. Fletcher for his signature into law. Call and email your senator and let him know that you want HB 100 to fail. Time is critical! Do it by Monday, at the latest. You can find your Senator at http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/whoswho/whoswho.htm Telephone: 502-564-8100 FAX : 502-564-6543 Postal address: 700 Capitol Avenue, Frankfort, KY 40601 Toll Free Numbers - 2004 Session (only for Kentucky) Bill Status Line: 1-866-301-9004 Legislative Message Line: 1-800-372-7181 This is the same bill that failed in committee during the last Legislative session. The genealogists of the state worked together to stop its passage. Please pass this information along to others.

Oops! I had the wrong price. Please note the correct information below. Sharon Kentucky residents may be interested in attending a series of discussions about Kentucky life in the Great Depression sponsored by the Kentucky Historical Society. The Great Depression started earlier and lasted longer in Kentucky than it did in more urban states. Spend four evenings with noted historians Tracy Campbell and David Hamilton in a series of lively discussions about Kentucky life throughout the 1930s. The four topics to be discussed are: * "Kentucky during the Great Depression." Tracy Campbell begins the series with a detailed look at the impact of the Great Depression on the commonwealth. Thursday, April 8 * "Rural Life and the New Deal." David Hamilton shares how the New Deal affected the lives of rural Kentuckians. Thursday, May 13 * "Franklin Roosevelt in Kentucky." Tracy Campbell returns to discuss the public response to President Roosevelt's visit to Kentucky and his New Deal policy. Thursday, June 10 * "Depression Diversions: 1930s Popular Culture." David Hamilton concludes by exploring books, movies, music, and other aspects of cultural life in the thirties. Thursday, July 8 Background reading materials will be provided and a Depression-era dessert will be served at each session. All sessions begin at 7 p.m. at the Kentucky History Center. The fee is $45 for members of the Kentucky Historical Society or $50 non-KHS members. Preregistration and prepayment are required because attendance is limited. You may register and pay with a credit card by calling Joanie DiMartino at (502) 564-1792 ext. 4467. Kentucky Historical Society Attn: Joanie DiMartino 100 West Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601 (502) 564-1792 ext. 4467 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://history.ky.gov/> http://history.ky.gov <http://history.ky.gov/Programs/ky101.htm> http://history.ky.gov/Programs/ky101.htm

Kentucky residents may be interested in attending a series of discussions about Kentucky life in the Great Depression sponsored by the Kentucky Historical Society. The Great Depression started earlier and lasted longer in Kentucky than it did in more urban states. Spend four evenings with noted historians Tracy Campbell and David Hamilton in a series of lively discussions about Kentucky life throughout the 1930s. The four topics to be discussed are: * "Kentucky during the Great Depression." Tracy Campbell begins the series with a detailed look at the impact of the Great Depression on the commonwealth. Thursday, April 8 * "Rural Life and the New Deal." David Hamilton shares how the New Deal affected the lives of rural Kentuckians. Thursday, May 13 * "Franklin Roosevelt in Kentucky." Tracy Campbell returns to discuss the public response to President Roosevelt's visit to Kentucky and his New Deal policy. Thursday, June 10 * "Depression Diversions: 1930s Popular Culture." David Hamilton concludes by exploring books, movies, music, and other aspects of cultural life in the thirties. Thursday, July 8 Background reading materials will be provided and a Depression-era dessert will be served at each session. All sessions begin at 7 p.m. at the Kentucky History Center. The fee is $40 for members of the Kentucky Historical Society or $45 non-KHS members. Preregistration and prepayment are required because attendance is limited. You may register and pay with a credit card by calling Joanie DiMartino at (502) 564-1792 ext. 4467. Kentucky Historical Society Attn: Joanie DiMartino 100 West Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601 (502) 564-1792 ext. 4467 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://history.ky.gov/> http://history.ky.gov <http://history.ky.gov/Programs/ky101.htm> http://history.ky.gov/Programs/ky101.htm

Genealogy Workshop Thursday April 8, 2-4 p.m. Kentucky History Center 100 W. Broadway Frankfort, Ky. Discover how to track the paths early Kentucky settlers traveled as they moved to the commonwealth with Kentucky history and genealogy specialist Ron Bryant. Learn how immigration routes can help you track your ancestors before they arrived in Kentucky. Free. Please register by calling the Thomas D. Clark Library of the Kentucky Historical Society at 502-564-1792, ext. 4460 or by email [email protected] by April 7. http://history.ky.gov

KENTUCKY. The KYGenWeb Project announces the latest addition to its Special Collections of research references -- the Kentucky Vital Records Project. This centralized collection of Kentucky birth, marriage, and death records, is now available in the first stages. Currently, the browseable index lists all of the deaths in the Kentucky Death Index (1911-1999). The volunteer team is in the process of adding digital images and transcriptions of actual death certificates, which will then be linked to the browseable index as they are added. Records for this project are a combination of researcher-contributed records and a coordinated extraction program. Plans are for the addition of birth records (pre-1894 unless proof of death is provided) starting about 15 April 2004 and marriage records starting about 1 June. As these records are added, they will also be linked to the index. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kvrp/

In 1850 Census, Butler Co KY dwelling #704 Adam Flenor 54 M farmer $1000 b TN Moses 22 M farmer b KY Sally 18 F b KY Jackson 12 M b KY Polly Elms 32 F b KY James 12 M b KY Adam 11 M b KY Persilla* 9 F b KY Martha 3 F b KY Adam Flenor is my 4Gr Grandfather, Moses is my 3GrGrandfather and Persilla Elms m my Gr Grandfather, Lee Wayne Mason, he on my Mason side (after my Gr Grandmother, Minerva Kuykendall passed in 1880). Any help would be appreciated as to Elms and Fleners relationships. Thanks Muriel

A History Uncovered by Kimberly Shain Parsley http://www.wku.edu/echo/archive/2002September/stories/ahistory.htm

Has anyone here used the "one great family" site? Did you have trouble getting money back from their FREE trial??? I got ripped off... big time.. and they won't correct their billing for my FREE trial. Lynne Isn't genealogy fun?? The answer to one question, leads to two more......

New Media Producer: Brad Maglinger WFIE 14 NEWS --- Investigating a topic that has been taboo for years, two North Carolina researchers believe President Abraham Lincoln may have been the illegitimate son of a North Carolina farmer. Catawba Valley Community College history professor Richard Eller and retired schoolteacher Jerry Goodnight have written a book called ''The Tarheel Lincoln.'' In it, they research decades-old claims that the 16th president was born in North Carolina's southeastern Rutherford County. Traditional claims that Lincoln was born February 12th, 1809, in Hardin County, Kentucky, are based on a statement written by Lincoln a few months before he was nominated to be president. The authors believe that Lincoln was the son of a man named Abraham Enloe. Their book covers sources cited in Lincoln biographies and includes interviews with Enloe descendants. Officials at the Abraham Lincoln Birthplace site near Hodgenville, Kentucky are not convinced. They say Lincoln himself said he was born in Kentucky of February 12th, 1809. ----- Tamara's Genealogy Bookstore Online http://www.angelfire.com/in4/genealogybooks/

Veterans cemetery 'You can kind of be with your own kind' By JOHN LUCAS Courier & Press Western Kentucky bureau (270) 333-4899 or [email protected] November 22, 2003 HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. - For many military veterans, a sense of camaraderie accompanies them, even to the grave. And Friday, it drew them to dedication ceremonies for Kentucky's latest veterans cemetery, where, in a few years, many of them expect to rest beneath the red soil of south Christian County. Kentucky Veterans Cemetery-West, on U.S. 41A just south of Hopkinsville and near Fort Campbell where several of the more than 400 attending Friday's ceremony served, is the first of five veterans cemeteries the state plans to develop over the next few years. They will complement seven national veterans cemeteries in Kentucky, all but three of which are full, said Marty Pinkston, spokesman for the Kentucky Department of Veterans Affairs. Other state-maintained cemeteries are expected to be built at Fort Knox and in Grant County, he said, with two Eastern Kentucky sites yet to be selected. The 73-acre site, with a capacity for 27,600 graves, will see its first burials early next year, probably in February. Officials estimate the cemetery can expect up to eight burials a day as the nation's World War II and Korean vets die at the rate of 18,000 a day nationally. "It's a good feeling to know you'll be around other comrades - may we rest in peace," said Retired Command Sgt. Maj. Birney V. Gainer of nearby Clarksville, Tenn. Gainer spent 30 years in the Army, being assigned first to the 82nd Airborne Division and then to the 101st Airborne at Fort Campbell in 1961. That post straddles the Kentucky-Tennessee state line, and a reciprocal agreement with Tennessee allows Tennessee veterans to be interred in the Kentucky cemetery. Gainer's sentiments were echoed by Bob Pritoka of Princeton, Ky., commander of Princeton American Legion Post No. 116. "A lot of people have been looking forward to its opening," said Pritoka, who worked as a medic at Fort Campbell's base hospital from 1963-65. "You can kind of be with your own kind, and you can have your family with you." The spouse and dependent children for of any eligible veteran also can be buried in the cemetery, all at no cost to the family. Pritoka, who expects to be buried in the new cemetery, said he hopes to have his late wife's remains reinterred here. "It's really nice," he said, surveying a drive that loops through the property, past a committal shelter where preinterment services will be held. The walls of an open-air plaza also will serve as a columbarium for receiving the ashes of veterans and their family members. "This is going to be one of the prettiest military cemeteries in the U.S. - and I've been to a lot of them," Pritoka said. Most of the $6 million for development of the cemetery came from a $5.84 million grant through the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs cemetery grant program. The remainder, including $180,000 from Hopkinsville's VFW Post No. 1913, was raised locally. The cemetery will be maintained by the state's Department of Veterans Affairs, which will open and close grave sites, supply grave markers and provide perpetual care. The 101st Airborne, now deployed in Iraq, was on the minds of many at Friday's dedication. "As we dedicate this, ever with me is the thought about the sacrifices of the 101st - their recent loses and their loses before that," said retired Brig. Gen. John W. Nicholson, now under-secretary for memorial affairs with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. "We pause today to review and contemplate the sacrifice of people fighting for our freedom all over the world," said former Kentucky state Sen. Ed Ford, who now serves as secretary of the governor's executive cabinet. Ford also drew upon the words of President Abraham Lincoln at the dedication of the veterans cemetery at Gettysburg. He called upon those assembled to be rededicated to the unfinished work of protecting freedom. "Our resolve must be as strong as ever," Ford said. Gun smoke from a 21-gun salute and the echo of the final plaintive notes of taps drifted over the heads of those in the courtyard as the Rev. Gerald Baker, pastor of St. Ann Catholic Church in Morganfield, Ky., and former pastor of Sts. Peter and Paul in Hopkinsville, prayed for the veterans' blood and sacrifice to be remembered. ===== Tamara's Genealogy Bookstore Online http://www.angelfire.com/in4/genealogybooks/

For those who have missed it the Muhlenberg County page is back up and running,J P Johnson has done a great job filling the site with all types of information and data. Muhlenberg Co KY http://www.letsbehappy.net/Muhlenberg/index.html Tamara Tamara's Genealogy Bookstore http://www.angelfire.com/in4/genealogybooks/

Hi Trisha, I am a PHELPS researcher and descendant. And would be happy to help you, if I can. The PHELPSes of Butler Co., KY all came from one progenitor. That was William PHELPS, b: ca. 1726 in Henrico Co., Virginia, and his wife, Sarah. (Family folk lore had his wife as Nancy NAIL.) William and Sarah PHELPS had 12 children, and they all came to KY, to Logan's Fort, then Green & Nelson Co., then Logan Co. (which became Warren Co.), and ended up mainly in Butler, although some moved out into Edmonson, Grayson and Warren Counties. I descend from their son Nicholas. They came to Kentucky in 1778 or 1779, from Buckingham Co., VA. They had only lived in Buckingham Co. for about a decade. William actually grew up in Goochland Co., VA where his father, John, died in 1747. That area of Goochland Co. then became Cumberland Co., VA two years later, in 1749. John owned a number of plantations (farms) that he passed on to his three sons. John, Jr., Samuel and William. As for the Indian heritage.... as you mentioned, tells of them having Indian blood goes back a long time. A lot of the Phelpses, and their descendants, were darker skinned with dark hair and eyes, especially those lines that inter-married cousins. And there are a number of them. PITMAN, LACEFIELD, CHANDLER, JOHNSON, etc. They lived together in the same area and there were tons of cousins. After many years of studying the PHELPSes I have come to know, through my research, that William PHELPS was not Indian, but rather mulatto. I understand there will be some who don't want to know or acknowledge this truth. But it is true. There are a number of documents naming him as such. And thus the dark coloring in some lines. Now, as for your Mary "Polly" Ann PHELPS.... The name Mary is pretty common. Her middle name could have been Polly, but Polly was often used as a nick name for Mary. I don't have a Mary Ann PHELPS with her birth year in "my" database. But there were tons of PHELPSes and I probably don't even have half of them. There is a Mary Ann PHELPS in the 1860 Census shown as the daughter of Jesse PHELPS and his wife, Nancy PITMAN. In that census she is listed as being born in 1840. Could or could not be true. I do not know who this Mary Ann married. But the interesting thing is that this family has a JOHNSON connection. In 1860, Mary Ann PHELPS' father is dead and she is living with her mother and siblings. Now her mother, Nancy PITMAN (also a PHELPS descendant), had a sister, Sara "Sally" PITMAN, who was married to Joseph JOHNSON. Most often, when children were orphaned, or farmed out, they were taken in by family...if not Grandparents, usually Aunts and Uncles. A second JOHNSON connection is that Sara "Sally" PITMAN and Joseph JOHNSON had a son named, William Peyton JOHNSON, b: Aug. 11, 1821. There is a record in the Marraiges of Butler Co., KY that William married Sarah Ann PHELPS on Aug. 3, 1842 in Butler Co., KY. That would be a couple of years before your Mary Ann was born. A child from this marriage would have at least 2 or more PHELPS lines. These are just some clues. Question - Was your HAMILL related to Quintus M. Hamill or his father James M. Hamill? Quintus married Etna A. PHELPS. I see that your Jeanette 'Nettie' BASHAM was born in Richardsville, Warren Co., KY. I also descend from the REEVES and HUDNALLs of Richardsville. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like. Mary Vacaville, CA In a message dated 11/16/2003 7:00:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > X-Message: #1 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:24:11 -0600 > From: "Trish Carden" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: Indian census > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and would like to ask a question. > > MY QUESTION: > Does Butler County Kentucky has a separate census for 1860 that would sho= > w > Indian race? If not how do you check for Indian heritage in Butler county= > ? > > I have reason to believe my great great grandmother, Mary "Polly" Ann PHE= > LPS > born about 1846 in Butler Co., KY was Indian. My 95 year old grandmother > told this to me. I've been in genealogy a number of years and realize th= > e > "Indian in the family tree" story is rampant and could also signify > Melungeon or other dark skin races. Family legend is Mary "Polly" Ann > PHELPS was Indian and adopted or raised by a family named Johnson in the > Butler Co. KY area. If you can help with this mystery please contact me.= > I > have heard this story for over 40 years. > > Any suggestions on research in this area would be appreciated. > > I have a photo of Mary "Polly" Ann PHELPS BASHAM. You can see the photo = > by > visiting one of my WebPages, address below. > http://www.tcarden.com/tree/ensor/Phelps.html > > > > Trisha Swallows Carden > Nashville, Tennessee > [email protected] > > > ___ _/ /\____ > /__/ _/\_ /___/\ > | | | | | | | || |l=B1=B1=B1=B1 > ,.-=B7=B0 ,.-=B7~=B7~=B7-., > As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. >

There was a census done of the 5 civilized tribes plus numerous census done on the Cherokee. For more info you can check www.accessgenealogy.com and join this mail list [email protected] Joyce Gaston Reece

I believe it was 1900 that a INDIAN census was taken seperate from those listed as white/black ect in certain states. I do know that in 1900 there is a INDIAN TERRITORY census which is extensive but mainly for states in west/southwest. Tamara Tamara's Genealogy Bookstore http://www.angelfire.com/in4/genealogybooks/

If someone is listed as color bronze, what nationality would that be considered as? I found someone in another county listed as color bronze and still haven't figured out what race they considered that in 1880. Any ideas?