I believe he was making a special apparatus to sulphur his apples to fit on a barrel. As for the Palin he meant paling fence. Enclosures dating to medieval England known as paling fences. They were the rustic forerunner of the picket fence.The original paling fence was composed of posts just like modern picket fences. A single stringer board was nailed on the face of the post that spanned to the next post just a few inches beneath the top. These were sharp stakes placed so close together that not even the smallest animal could get through, you've probably seen pictures of paling fences in old photos, high fences with sharp pointed tips. Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier President Owsley County Kentucky Historical Society http://owsleykyhist.org http://sherryfrazier.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archie F Cope" <a-cope@sbcglobal.net> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Old Terms > Did people make there own barrels? > Aug 19 have been fitting a barrel to Sulpher apples.Aug 19 have been fitting a barrel to Sulpher apples. > What is a palin slat? > Aug 5 & 6 have been still working at my palin slats Ed has gone to town > today. > Archie > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > >

My family always said when they lost their vote they would being going up salt river. Carole -----Original Message----- From: Jim [mailto:jcox@mis.net] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:31 AM To: KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Old Terms I don't know anything about the "tricks". I do know that there is a political saying about Salt river. Salt River heads in Anderson County, KY, and flows north easterly. It empties into the Ohio River at West Point, Hardin County, KY. Westpoint is downriver from Louisville, KY. I don't know all the facts, but the way I understand it, there was to be a debate between two candidates, maybe presidential. One of the candidates didn't show up because he had taken a cruse on the Ohio and 'was gone up Salt River'. So, to really understand what he was saying we'd need to know more about that Owsley County election. My grandfather McIntosh, b. 1902 at Crocketsville. I'd like to have any information at all about Crocketsville. Jim Cox jcox@mis.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier" <slfrazier@comcast.net> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Old Terms > Speaking of old terms, I recently had my great great grandpa's diary handed > over to me, Andrew J. Baker, which dates 1924, he was born in 1854 and > taught school at Crocketsville, here's some old terms he used, > > "Went down to the store today and got me a few "tricks"! > > Talking about the election in Owsley County, " I don't know who will > steer the boat up salt river but it will be a wonderful load" Meaning up the > river without a paddle > > Anyone ever heard these terms used? > > > Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier > President > Owsley County Kentucky Historical Society > http://owsleykyhist.org > http://sherryfrazier.com > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > Want to submit family infomation for Surname Files at the Breathitt County library? Contact library@tgtel.com > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== Have time to copy cemetery information into a database? Contact Jeanette Shouse at library@tgtel.com.

Did people make there own barrels? Aug 19 have been fitting a barrel to Sulpher apples.Aug 19 have been fitting a barrel to Sulpher apples. What is a palin slat? Aug 5 & 6 have been still working at my palin slats Ed has gone to town today. Archie

jim,What was you g/father McIntoshs full name?astor johnson

Steering the boat up salt river I learned from my great Uncle 86 year old Uncle Hubert Baker means up the river without a paddle. The election in Owsley was the 1924 election This is from my great great grandpa's diary: July 31 Raining a little this morning not much Ed is going after some dinamighte to blast the slate in his well ( but got powder) came back and put in one shot and struck water. Abner and Nancy came over and took a night with us.(This is Ab & Nancy Amis Baker) Aug 1 they have gone down to the election we are going after dinner Ab is a candidate for Sherif. We have been down and voted. Aug 2. We learn that Charley Seal got the nomination for legislation. Clay Combs Judge T.G. Green Clerk Green Wilson Sherif Seber Eversole sesor John Hughes Jailor Ike Wilder coroner I do not know who will stear the boat up salt river there will be a wonderful load. Aug 3, been plowing out Ed's tobacco and hauling up some stove wood. Ed has been working on his well letting of some blasts. So as to get blow the stream of water. Has Rained a little shower this evening. Aug 4 Have been splitting palin slats 3 oclock has rained a pretty good shower and is still raining. Boby has been here took dinner with us and tell's us that the Citizens which stands for Law and Order is Shaping a Dry Ticket for judge and Sherif. Clay Combs and Green Wilson. He has gone home. Aug 5 & 6 have been still working at my palin slats Ed has gone to town today. We have just eat dinner. Aug 7 We went down to Jimmy's stayed all night. Aug 8, I went down town out on the new road took dinner with Uncle Ed Duff went over to New Hope to the lodge from there over to brother James Neely's took a nother pleasant night with him. . Aug 9 Came over and talked a while with Mrs. Smith Came on over took dinner with T.J. Green Came on up to J.W. Bakers and stayed all night Aug 10 We came over to Dudley Reynolds took dinner had a good talk with Uncle Meridith Reynolds then came on home. We have been resting up a little I went up to Ed's he has his well finished and walled up. Aug 12 We had us one bushel meal ground will begin using it to day. Also one sack flour began using it today. Has rained a small shower just before ten oclock. Ed & Charley McIntosh is raising and hauling out some more coal . Rained a shower in the night. Aug 13 Mrs. Turner came and took last night with us. I have been getting stove wood and pulling weeds this morning. Rained a pretty good shower before 4 oclock it is raining again about dark. Aug 14. I have picked a few beans and am cooking some for Betty. Eliza Chandler bring us a nice mushmelon this evening. Aug 15 Boby came over and stayed with us last night. Is gone back home this evening little Jim and Abel Mayes went with him. Aug 17 I went down to Bill Reynolds to get him to hall my logs to the mill. Aug 18 We went up and took a night with Marian and Liza Chandler. Aug 19 have been fitting a barrel to Sulpher apples. Alson took dinner with us today. A.C. was here a short while today John Horn and Marion Chandler was down to see us this evening. Aug 20 I got my logs halled to the mill by Billy Reynolds and had them all sawed in to lumber before noon. Took dinner with Sam Wilson and Lotty and the children. Saw Lotty's sister Laura from Middle town Ohio. Aug 21 & 22 been taking it easy. Aug 23 Sunday Aug 24 I wen to town got me some sulpher to sulpher my apples. Aug 25 I sulphered my apples. Billy Reynolds Team and Charley Callahan's Team halled my lumber up home. Aug 26 I have been helping Eds Wife Suplher their fruit. She hope me yesterday just been swaping work with her. Aug 27 Stacked all my lumber in the yard and let down my foundation 6 inches . Went over to Indian Creek after Ed. Sept. 1-2 & 3rd have been covering botting? And laying flore and moving my stove in. Got dinner on the third of Sept. in the new house. 4th & 5 have worked up all my plank and got my table moved in the cook room. Margaret Amis and Osker came over today. 7th have been sulpering fruit. Rained a good shower in the after noon. I have been working the 8 & 9th. Got done sulphering and it has rained a small shower this evening just after 11 oclock. 10th Cloudy and raining a little this morning. 11th we went down to T.G. Green's stayed all night went over to New Hope the 12 to a big meeting went down took a night with A.J. Barker and family and Marthy Eversole his sister. 13th Came back took a night with A.C. got good and wet. 14th Took dinner with Addie Jim's wife and Huldy was there her sister. We then came on to Henry Mayse's stayed all night. 15th We came home and I cut the tops on the garden. 16 Pulled some cane fodder went up to John Woodse's halled a load of cane seed down for Ed. 17 have set up my tops? Pulled some more cane fodder got dinner and eat my share of it. Pulled some more cane fodder went up to John Woods's got some more cane seed and some molasses for Ed. Lucy was here when I came home. Ed bought a horse and a cow. Sept. 18 let Vina have my mare to go to Ellen's with Harlin Chandler have been pulling some more cane fodder. Sept. 19 finished pulling my cane fodder hope Ed cut up 17 shucks of corn in his cow tide up. He was 73 years old when he wrote this, a fine example of how they lived their everyday life, working hard just to survive. You would have to see the mountain side they lived on to get a real appreciation for exactly how hard they did have it. The term "tricks" is still used today by many of the older people and means "whatever they got at the store". Here's another one that is still used by many, "We're going to Bowman's house tonight and are going to eat a founder"! My cousin Albert Bowman who is fixing to turn 91 still saucers and blows his coffee. My great aunt and uncle still use a chamber pot for the upstairs bedroom. Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier President Owsley County Kentucky Historical Society http://owsleykyhist.org http://sherryfrazier.com

I don't know anything about the "tricks". I do know that there is a political saying about Salt river. Salt River heads in Anderson County, KY, and flows north easterly. It empties into the Ohio River at West Point, Hardin County, KY. Westpoint is downriver from Louisville, KY. I don't know all the facts, but the way I understand it, there was to be a debate between two candidates, maybe presidential. One of the candidates didn't show up because he had taken a cruse on the Ohio and 'was gone up Salt River'. So, to really understand what he was saying we'd need to know more about that Owsley County election. My grandfather McIntosh, b. 1902 at Crocketsville. I'd like to have any information at all about Crocketsville. Jim Cox jcox@mis.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier" <slfrazier@comcast.net> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Old Terms > Speaking of old terms, I recently had my great great grandpa's diary handed > over to me, Andrew J. Baker, which dates 1924, he was born in 1854 and > taught school at Crocketsville, here's some old terms he used, > > "Went down to the store today and got me a few "tricks"! > > Talking about the election in Owsley County, " I don't know who will > steer the boat up salt river but it will be a wonderful load" Meaning up the > river without a paddle > > Anyone ever heard these terms used? > > > Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier > President > Owsley County Kentucky Historical Society > http://owsleykyhist.org > http://sherryfrazier.com > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > Want to submit family infomation for Surname Files at the Breathitt County library? Contact library@tgtel.com > >

How can one get obit look-ups from the UK? LoisBrownCombs@aol.com wrote: >Here is a list of the Breathitt County papers for Jackson that are on >microfilm at UK. The library at Jackson had some microfilms for early years last >October but were expecting to get others. Don't know what they have on hand now. > > > TITLE FILM-# DATE >Bowman Bomber S/95-044 1943: February 1 >Breathitt County Banner S/86-021 1986: Oct. 16-Dec. >Breathitt County Banner S/86-021 1987: Jan.-Feb. 12 >Breathitt County Enquirer S-793 1971: Feb.17-Dec.30 > >Breathitt County Enquirer S-793 1972: Jan.-Aug.9 >Breathitt County News S-437 1903: May 29-1909: Sept. 3 > >Breathitt County News S-437 1903: May 30-1909: Sept. 3 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1992: Sept.2-Dec.30 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1993: Jan.6-Dec.29 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1994: Jan.5-Dec.28 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1995: Jan.4-Dec.20 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1996: Jan.10-Dec.18 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1997: Jan.1-Dec.31 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1998: Jan.7-Dec.23 > >Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1999: Jan.6-Dec.22 > >Jackson Hustler S/91-327 1891: Apr.3-24, May 22, June 12 >Jackson Times S-193 1911-1915 >Jackson Times S-193 1916-1917 >Jackson Times S-193 1918-1919 >Jackson Times S-193 1920-1922 >Jackson Times S-193 1923: Apr.-Dec.21 >Jackson Times S-193 1924(msg.Sep12) >Jackson Times S-193 1925: Jan.-1928:Dec.28 >Jackson Times S-193 1929: Jan.-1931:Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1932: Jan.-1933 >Jackson Times S-193 1934(msg.Feb22;Aug23)-1935 >Jackson Times S-193 1936-1937 >Jackson Times S-193 1938 >Jackson Times S-193 1939-1940(msg.Dec25) >Jackson Times S-193 1941:Jul-Dec;1942 >Jackson Times S-193 1943-1944 >Jackson Times S-193 1945-1946 >Jackson Times S-193 1947 >Jackson Times S-193 1948-1949 >Jackson Times S-193 1950(msg.Jul27)-1951$ 40.00 >Jackson Times S-193 1952 >Jackson Times S-193 1953 >Jackson Times S-193 1954-1956 >Jackson Times S-193 1957-1959 >Jackson Times S-193 1960 >Jackson Times S-193 1961 >Jackson Times S-193 1962 >Jackson Times S-193 1963 >Jackson Times S-193 1964 >Jackson Times S-193 1965 >Jackson Times S-193 1966 >Jackson Times S-193 1967 >Jackson Times S-193 1968 >Jackson Times S-193 1969 >Jackson Times S-193 1970 >Jackson Times S-193 1971 >Jackson Times S-193 1972 >Jackson Times S-193 1973 >Jackson Times S-193 1974 >Jackson Times S-193 1975 >Jackson Times S-193 1976 >Jackson Times S-193 1977 >Jackson Times S-193 1978 >Jackson Times S-193 1979: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1979: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1980: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1980: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1981: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1981: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1982: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1982: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1983: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1983: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1984: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1984: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1985: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1985: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1986: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1986: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1987: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1987: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1988: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1988: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1989: Jan.-June >Jackson Times S-193 1989: July6-Dec.28 >Jackson Times S-193 1990: Jan.4-June28 >Jackson Times S-193 1990: July5-Dec.27 >Jackson Times S-193 1991: Jan.3-June27 >Jackson Times S-193 1991: July4-Dec.26 >Jackson Times S-193 1992: Jan.2-June25 >Jackson Times S-193 1992: July2-Dec.31 >Jackson Times S-193 1993: Jan.7-June24 >Jackson Times S-193 1993: July-Dec. >Jackson Times S-193 1994: Jan6.-June30 >Jackson Times S-193 1994: July7-Dec.29 >Jackson Times S-193 1995: Jan.5-June29 >Jackson Times S-193 1995: July6-Dec.28 >Jackson Times S-193 1996: Jan.4-June27 >Jackson Times S-193 1996: July4-Dec.26 >Jackson Times S-193 1997: Jan.9-Dec.25 >Jackson Times S-193 1998: Jan.-Dec. >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1986: June-Dec./1987: Jan. >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1987: Jan.-Dec./1988: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1988: Jan.-Dec./1989: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1989: Jan.-Dec./1990: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1990: Jan.-Dec./1991: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1991: Jan.-Dec./1992: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1992: Jan.-Dec./1993: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1993: Jan.-Dec./1994: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1994: Jan.-Dec./1995: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1995: Feb.-Nov. >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1996: Jan.-Nov. >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1997: Jan.-Nov >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1998: Jan-1999: Jan >Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1999: Feb.-2000: Jan. > > > > > > > >==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== >We need old photographs for the Genealogy Archives? Have some you want to submit? Contact library@tgtel.com > > > > -- John and Marge Schulke Leesburg, Florida (>"""<) (="o"=) (,,)=(,,)

A man once said that, "If Mountain People like you, they will hardly ever let you know it. If on the other hand they don't like you, they will let you know right away and in no uncertain terms". This is a truth I have known all my life but never had the good sinse to realize it or to put it into words. If I had only been smart enough to tell the Flat Lander girl I married. It surely would have made a difference in how she got along with my Relatives. Archie

Each year, here in Scott County, Ky., the American Legion always has a Pilgrimage on the Sunday before Memorial Day to cemeteries throughout this county. Everyone packs a lunch and they have a place at one of the churches on the route to have "dinner on the ground". Of course, it is not on the ground. Everyone is welcome to go. I remember going when I was a child around 1930 and I have photos taken that day. About two years ago, my husband and I went on the last part of the route to the local cemeteries here. It had been 70 years since the last one I went to. I have missed only about 9 or 10 in that time and that was when I lived somewhere else. My stepfather was a veteran of WW I and is now buried in the same lot as his mother, father, brother and sister. When my step grandmother was living, their car was always parked right by her son's grave and the ceremony was held there. Her youngest son was killed in France just before WW I was over. She was blind and could not get out of the car and stand, so the Legion did that for her. There was a bronze star on his grave at that time and someone took it in later years. They have moved the ceremony closer to the front of the cemetery now. Her family came from all around to be at the cemetery when the Pilgrimage arrived there about three in the afternoon. What fond memories I have of those days. Maxine ----- Original Message ----- From: <psfitch@insightbb.com> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Re: Preachin on the Ground > The Canoe & Arrowood areas of Breathitt Co., still have the church > services/dinners at the cemeteries. > > Pam --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 4/6/2004

The Canoe & Arrowood areas of Breathitt Co., still have the church services/dinners at the cemeteries. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <LoisBrownCombs@aol.com> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Re: Preachin on the Ground > Thanks to all of you for answering my query and sharing your stories about > the Preachin on the Ground. I enjoyed them very much. Also the storied about > Sittin up with the dead. This Yankee knew of that as a "wake" but never > experienced it myself. I had heard about it from friends of my grandparents that lived > in rural areas. > > Just one other question though. Are there families in the Breathitt or > Jackson area that still have Preachin on the ground? > > Thanks. > > Lois > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > >

Actually it is not Preachin on the Ground. It is Preachin and Dinner on the Ground. It is done mostly by churches anymore. > [Original Message] > From: <LoisBrownCombs@aol.com> > To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/7/04 4:20:44 PM > Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Re: Preachin on the Ground > > Thanks to all of you for answering my query and sharing your stories about > the Preachin on the Ground. I enjoyed them very much. Also the storied about > Sittin up with the dead. This Yankee knew of that as a "wake" but never > experienced it myself. I had heard about it from friends of my grandparents that lived > in rural areas. > > Just one other question though. Are there families in the Breathitt or > Jackson area that still have Preachin on the ground? > > Thanks. > > Lois > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== >

Here is a list of the Breathitt County papers for Jackson that are on microfilm at UK. The library at Jackson had some microfilms for early years last October but were expecting to get others. Don't know what they have on hand now. TITLE FILM-# DATE Bowman Bomber S/95-044 1943: February 1 Breathitt County Banner S/86-021 1986: Oct. 16-Dec. Breathitt County Banner S/86-021 1987: Jan.-Feb. 12 Breathitt County Enquirer S-793 1971: Feb.17-Dec.30 Breathitt County Enquirer S-793 1972: Jan.-Aug.9 Breathitt County News S-437 1903: May 29-1909: Sept. 3 Breathitt County News S-437 1903: May 30-1909: Sept. 3 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1992: Sept.2-Dec.30 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1993: Jan.6-Dec.29 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1994: Jan.5-Dec.28 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1995: Jan.4-Dec.20 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1996: Jan.10-Dec.18 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1997: Jan.1-Dec.31 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1998: Jan.7-Dec.23 Breathitt County Voice S/97-002 1999: Jan.6-Dec.22 Jackson Hustler S/91-327 1891: Apr.3-24, May 22, June 12 Jackson Times S-193 1911-1915 Jackson Times S-193 1916-1917 Jackson Times S-193 1918-1919 Jackson Times S-193 1920-1922 Jackson Times S-193 1923: Apr.-Dec.21 Jackson Times S-193 1924(msg.Sep12) Jackson Times S-193 1925: Jan.-1928:Dec.28 Jackson Times S-193 1929: Jan.-1931:Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1932: Jan.-1933 Jackson Times S-193 1934(msg.Feb22;Aug23)-1935 Jackson Times S-193 1936-1937 Jackson Times S-193 1938 Jackson Times S-193 1939-1940(msg.Dec25) Jackson Times S-193 1941:Jul-Dec;1942 Jackson Times S-193 1943-1944 Jackson Times S-193 1945-1946 Jackson Times S-193 1947 Jackson Times S-193 1948-1949 Jackson Times S-193 1950(msg.Jul27)-1951$ 40.00 Jackson Times S-193 1952 Jackson Times S-193 1953 Jackson Times S-193 1954-1956 Jackson Times S-193 1957-1959 Jackson Times S-193 1960 Jackson Times S-193 1961 Jackson Times S-193 1962 Jackson Times S-193 1963 Jackson Times S-193 1964 Jackson Times S-193 1965 Jackson Times S-193 1966 Jackson Times S-193 1967 Jackson Times S-193 1968 Jackson Times S-193 1969 Jackson Times S-193 1970 Jackson Times S-193 1971 Jackson Times S-193 1972 Jackson Times S-193 1973 Jackson Times S-193 1974 Jackson Times S-193 1975 Jackson Times S-193 1976 Jackson Times S-193 1977 Jackson Times S-193 1978 Jackson Times S-193 1979: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1979: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1980: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1980: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1981: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1981: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1982: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1982: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1983: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1983: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1984: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1984: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1985: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1985: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1986: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1986: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1987: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1987: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1988: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1988: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1989: Jan.-June Jackson Times S-193 1989: July6-Dec.28 Jackson Times S-193 1990: Jan.4-June28 Jackson Times S-193 1990: July5-Dec.27 Jackson Times S-193 1991: Jan.3-June27 Jackson Times S-193 1991: July4-Dec.26 Jackson Times S-193 1992: Jan.2-June25 Jackson Times S-193 1992: July2-Dec.31 Jackson Times S-193 1993: Jan.7-June24 Jackson Times S-193 1993: July-Dec. Jackson Times S-193 1994: Jan6.-June30 Jackson Times S-193 1994: July7-Dec.29 Jackson Times S-193 1995: Jan.5-June29 Jackson Times S-193 1995: July6-Dec.28 Jackson Times S-193 1996: Jan.4-June27 Jackson Times S-193 1996: July4-Dec.26 Jackson Times S-193 1997: Jan.9-Dec.25 Jackson Times S-193 1998: Jan.-Dec. Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1986: June-Dec./1987: Jan. Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1987: Jan.-Dec./1988: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1988: Jan.-Dec./1989: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1989: Jan.-Dec./1990: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1990: Jan.-Dec./1991: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1991: Jan.-Dec./1992: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1992: Jan.-Dec./1993: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1993: Jan.-Dec./1994: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1994: Jan.-Dec./1995: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1995: Feb.-Nov. Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1996: Jan.-Nov. Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1997: Jan.-Nov Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1998: Jan-1999: Jan Kentucky Explorer S/92-017 1999: Feb.-2000: Jan.

Lot of the old time coal mine familys do. Or more remote people. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LoisBrownCombs@aol.com> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: [KYBREATH-L] Re: Preachin on the Ground > Thanks to all of you for answering my query and sharing your stories about > the Preachin on the Ground. I enjoyed them very much. Also the storied about > Sittin up with the dead. This Yankee knew of that as a "wake" but never > experienced it myself. I had heard about it from friends of my grandparents that lived > in rural areas. > > Just one other question though. Are there families in the Breathitt or > Jackson area that still have Preachin on the ground? > > Thanks. > > Lois > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > >

Thanks to all of you for answering my query and sharing your stories about the Preachin on the Ground. I enjoyed them very much. Also the storied about Sittin up with the dead. This Yankee knew of that as a "wake" but never experienced it myself. I had heard about it from friends of my grandparents that lived in rural areas. Just one other question though. Are there families in the Breathitt or Jackson area that still have Preachin on the ground? Thanks. Lois

Speaking of old terms, I recently had my great great grandpa's diary handed over to me, Andrew J. Baker, which dates 1924, he was born in 1854 and taught school at Crocketsville, here's some old terms he used, "Went down to the store today and got me a few "tricks"! Talking about the election in Owsley County, " I don't know who will steer the boat up salt river but it will be a wonderful load" Meaning up the river without a paddle Anyone ever heard these terms used? Sherry Lynn Baker Frazier President Owsley County Kentucky Historical Society http://owsleykyhist.org http://sherryfrazier.com

haints= spirits and the like boogers= demons ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie King" <cobra@adnc.com> To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Preachin on the Ground > Hi: > > I'm familiar with the term "haints" but could someone explain "boogers?" > > I'm still looking for King, Morris, Campbell, Litteral, Little. They are > from the Frozen Creek, Breathitt County area. > > Thanks, > > Charlie King > > At 09:05 PM 4/4/2004 -0600, you wrote: > >Its a long standing custom in Kentucky going back to Colonial Times. In > >recent times it has changed little in > >appearance or "customs". As most know, the older cemeteries are "family > >owned" So it was a custom each spring to go a visiting the deceased. Most > >cemeteries are extremely hard to get to or on ridge tops or forgot creek > >property. > >Mostly done on weekends if at all possible or holidays. > >Was a time for preaching, food and frolic {within reason} > >In our line, it was also a time to preach and take up serpents. > >Foot washing, baptism and the like was sometimes done all after a > >successful "meeting". Some "lines" also used it as a time to rid > >themselves of haints and boogers. {Long Story} > >Some of the more remote areas had a wilder meeting > > > > > >==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > Help build the Breathitt County KyGenWeb site. Submit information for posting to the site. Contact Jeanette Shouse at library@tgtel.com > >

Thanks, I'll use this with my grandkids, Charlie At 01:07 PM 4/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >haints= spirits and the like >boogers= demons >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charlie King" <cobra@adnc.com> >To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:55 AM >Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Preachin on the Ground > > > > Hi: > > > > I'm familiar with the term "haints" but could someone explain "boogers?" > > > > I'm still looking for King, Morris, Campbell, Litteral, Little. They are > > from the Frozen Creek, Breathitt County area. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charlie King > > > > At 09:05 PM 4/4/2004 -0600, you wrote: > > >Its a long standing custom in Kentucky going back to Colonial Times. In > > >recent times it has changed little in > > >appearance or "customs". As most know, the older cemeteries are "family > > >owned" So it was a custom each spring to go a visiting the deceased. Most > > >cemeteries are extremely hard to get to or on ridge tops or forgot creek > > >property. > > >Mostly done on weekends if at all possible or holidays. > > >Was a time for preaching, food and frolic {within reason} > > >In our line, it was also a time to preach and take up serpents. > > >Foot washing, baptism and the like was sometimes done all after a > > >successful "meeting". Some "lines" also used it as a time to rid > > >themselves of haints and boogers. {Long Story} > > >Some of the more remote areas had a wilder meeting > > > > > > > > >==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > Help build the Breathitt County KyGenWeb site. Submit information for >posting to the site. Contact Jeanette Shouse at library@tgtel.com > > > > > > >==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== >

Hi: I'm familiar with the term "haints" but could someone explain "boogers?" I'm still looking for King, Morris, Campbell, Litteral, Little. They are from the Frozen Creek, Breathitt County area. Thanks, Charlie King At 09:05 PM 4/4/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Its a long standing custom in Kentucky going back to Colonial Times. In >recent times it has changed little in >appearance or "customs". As most know, the older cemeteries are "family >owned" So it was a custom each spring to go a visiting the deceased. Most >cemeteries are extremely hard to get to or on ridge tops or forgot creek >property. >Mostly done on weekends if at all possible or holidays. >Was a time for preaching, food and frolic {within reason} >In our line, it was also a time to preach and take up serpents. >Foot washing, baptism and the like was sometimes done all after a >successful "meeting". Some "lines" also used it as a time to rid >themselves of haints and boogers. {Long Story} >Some of the more remote areas had a wilder meeting > > >==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== >

I have a copy of the death certificate of my great-grandfather and my great-grandmother is given as the Undertaker, and it was true. She did bathe him and dress him to be placed in the coffin. > [Original Message] > From: Michelle Cole <mcole@go-concepts.com> > To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/6/04 7:42:00 PM > Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Preachin on the Ground > > My Granny would always cover the mirrors when sitting up with the dead. > > I have a copy of her father's death certificate, on it, one of the questions > was "Undertaker" and written in the box is "Home Folks" > > Michelle Williams Cole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charles friedly" <mfriedly@adelphia.net> > To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Preachin on the Ground > > > > Some people say the custom may have started because the windows were > opened > > for fresh air long ago when there were no air conditioning or screens on > the > > windows. People would sit up with the dead to keep varmints from getting > in > > and bothering the body. Cats were good at that so I am told and of course > > they can climb anywhere. > > > > I have sat up with my mother and other women at several people's homes up > > until the 40s or 50s. We had one lady that told funny stories to keep us > > awake after the family went to bed. Of course, we could not laugh out > loud, > > but she helped us stay awake along with cups of coffee in the kitchen. We > > tried to be quiet to let the family get some rest because they were > usually > > worn out from taking care of the sick person before they passed away. > > Didn't have nursing homes then and most could not afford hospitals for a > > long time. I don't remember anyplace where I sat up that did not have > > screens, but there was no air conditioning in the homes. > > > > Maxine > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 > > > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > >

Sometimes it is better for the family to stay until the grave is covered. When my brother-in-law died in 1982, there was a good rain the day before he was to be buried. When some of the cousins and nephews, who were pallbearers started to lower the casket, they noticed that water was inside the vault. So., they made the funeral home remove the vault and empty it and blow dried it. We all stayed to see that it was done and was done properly. > [Original Message] > From: <Verbowman51@wmconnect.com> > To: <KYBREATH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/6/04 8:38:15 PM > Subject: Re: [KYBREATH-L] Preachin on the Ground > > You can still be at the gravesite while it's covered. My brother in law > passed away in 2000 and the whole family stayed and some of them covered the grave > themselves. He's buried in a family cemetery. Ruth Bowman > > > ==== KYBREATH Mailing List ==== > Help build the Breathitt County KyGenWeb site. Submit information for posting to the site. Contact Jeanette Shouse at library@tgtel.com