How nice of you Vivian! I'm still stuck on Malinda Boyd who I was told came from Georgetown. Malinda Boyd married Jasper Clayton in 1817, but I have not been able to find Malinda's parents, __?___Boyd and __?___ (and her siblings, etc. ) I have Lucy Clayton b.1828 dau of Malinda and Jasper. Are there other children? Thanks for helping. Ione Jones

In a message dated 6/23/00 10:32:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [KYBATH] Looking for my roots Date: 6/23/00 10:32:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Louise Correll) To: [email protected] I am working on my geneaology from Bath Co. I have been trying to get some info on my father's side he was Renzie Otis s/o Martin Vanburn Otis and Sherilda (Sorrell) Otis. My mother was Ollie Thompson and her parents were Smith Thompson and Pearlie (Lowry ) Thompson. I would apprecuate any info on the Otis, Thompson, Sorrell and Lowry. Thank you very much. Louise (Otis) Correll Have a good day and God bless you >> Please, Please send dates or approximate dates. It is the only way to get help. I will check my resources but I need Dates and locations. Sometimes people think it is Bath Co. but it ends up Fleming Co., or Maybe Rowan Co. I have a few resources that I can check for you and the 1860 Bath Co. KY Census are on the Bath co. Web Site along with some of the marriages. Let me have the dates and see If I can help. Blessings! Vivian

In a message dated 6/23/00 9:35:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [KYBATH] Re; List Date: 6/23/00 9:35:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (victoria gibson) To: [email protected] I sit back and read as I am so confused on my tribe and don't know where to start again. With the kind ,generous people on this list, I found most of my Crocket family, same with the Cartmills and Craycrafts. The Royse family is really a hard one. The Williams not quite as bad, but still can't find my g.grandmother Amanda Williams(know she was there). Ned and Elizabeth Warders just vanished!!! Seems the Royse's had numerous marriages with the Toy's, and at least one Warder married a Toy, stuck there too!!! And then to add insult to injury, this really threw me, talk about confusing--- My great grandmother Amanda Williams married William Royse She later divorced him- My grandfather Rollie Royse married Rosa Crocket, daughter of John Crocket and Elizabeth Warders, Elizabeth's sister married a Toy, Rollie's two sisters married Toy's, so it's getting cozy, then----- I found a William Royse married a Toy and his mother's name was Amanda Williams!! That was a month ago, still totally befuddled on that one. Vickie from Calif. >> Vickie, Will you please give some dates to shoot for. I have Royse connections too and they have to be searched by RICE as well. They are a confusing bunch but.....some are in Fleming Co. and one thing I do know is....William and Elijah Stole some hogs.......Does that make one proud of their ancestors.....Yep! LOL at least I found Elijah even if he was doing a NO....No! Blessings! Vivian

In a message dated 6/23/00 9:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [KYBATH] Bath Co. Tollivers & Perrys Date: 6/23/00 9:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hello List: In the Bath Co. 1860 census, Elijah Tollver/Toliver, 60, is listed with his wife, Martha (Mannin), 59. Their children, at that time, staying with them are: Joel Toliver, 25 Susan Toliver, 23 Hannah Toliver, 23 John Toliver, 22 James Toliver, 18 Does anyone know who Susan, John and James married? >> Since the Bath Co. KY Marriage books are indexed by spouse it is hard to know who Susan Married but....I have a James Henry Tolliver who married Tomsy/Tamsy Ann Norris 21 April, 1863. This MIGHT be your James. In the 1870 Bath Co. Census we have what appears to be: Ivan? Tolliver 28 Tamsyann 21 Martha 2 James Norris 30 [most probably Tamsey Anns bro] Also 1870 Census Elijah Tolliver 68 Martha 72 Susan 32 John 36 If susan married she married late as did John. Hope this helps a little Vivian

Okay Vickie! Since you decided to light a match under some of the sunames I'm interested in lets see what we can put together!! I'm also researching Crockett and Cartmill from Bath County. Descendants of John Drake Crockett 1 John Drake CROCKETT b: 1775 in Virginia ? d: 1836 in Ralls County, Missouri . +Jenny CARTMILL b: Unknown d: Unknown in Ralls County, Missouri m: April 17, 1800 in Montgomery County, Virginia ... 2 Eli CROCKETT b: July 14, 1803 d: Abt. 1863 in Grundy County, Missouri ....... +Sarah Ann DUVALL b: 1805 d: 1846 m: Unknown ... *2nd Wife of Eli CROCKETT: ....... +Mary WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1816 d: Unknown m: Unknown ... 2 Mary CROCKETT b: November 30, 1806 in Kentucky d: July 20, 1875 ....... +William Worrie CARTMILL b: Unknown d: Unknown m: December 28, 1832 in Bath County, Kentucky ... 2 Margaret CROCKETT b: March 16, 1813 in Bath County, Kentucky d: January 10, 1888 in Grundy County, Missouri ....... +William LINNEY b: April 01, 1815 in Bath County, Kentucky d: Unknown in Carroll County, Missouri m: September 02, 1834 in Bath County, Kentucky ... 2 Carlisle CROCKETT b: 1816 in Kentucky d: August 21, 1882 in Grundy County, Missouri ... 2 Julia Ann CROCKETT b: 1818 in Bath County, Kentucky d: Unknown ....... +James NEWCOMB b: Unknown d: Unknown m: June 13, 1837 in Ralls County, Missouri ... *2nd Husband of Julia Ann CROCKETT: ....... +Thomas LINNEY b: 1818 in Bath County, Kentucky d: Unknown m: Unknown If aanyone sees a connection here, please let me know, Wes Parker in the central San Joaquin Valley of California <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/5591/index.html> "It isn't what we don't know that kills us, it's everything we know that ain't so." (Mark Twain)

Hello Listers, I am also still looking for my roots. How many JONESes are there in Bath Co., KY????????? My line is: 1 Cadwalder JONES b. abt. 1794 married Betsy RAGAN(Where are all the RAGANs?) 18 Apr 1816 in BATH CO., KY Children of this couple: 1 Amanda 2 Malinda 3 Nancy 4 Cadwalder II b. 1820 married Martha (Patsy) Morris 1843 Children of Cad JONES II and Patsy MORRIS 1 Sanford 2 Mary 3 George Riley b. 1850 married Julia Jackson 1872 4 Lydia 5 Sarah 6 Samuel 7 Joshua 8 Nancy 9 Julie 10 Cad 11 Marg In the Bath Co. 1820 census, there is a CHARLES JONES listed right next to CADWALDER JONES. Charles' age is listed as over 45, so he could be Cad's father. Cadwalder Jones (the first)is listed in the 1860 census as living with a William and Rebecca MCCLANAHAN. I don't know what the connection is there, if any. He is listed in the 1870 census as living with a family by the name of STINSON. Any information on CADWALDER JONES and BETSY RAGAN of Bath Co., KY would be greatly appreciated. I have been searching for the origins of this couple for too many years! Thanks for any help, Wilma JONES Crisler in Louisville, KY Peter Crisler / PETER'S PIPES http://home.att.net/~peter.crisler Louisville Pipe Band http://users.aol.com/LouisvillePB/

I am working on my geneaology from Bath Co. I have been trying to get some info on my father's side he was Renzie Otis s/o Martin Vanburn Otis and Sherilda (Sorrell) Otis. My mother was Ollie Thompson and her parents were Smith Thompson and Pearlie (Lowry ) Thompson. I would apprecuate any info on the Otis, Thompson, Sorrell and Lowry. Thank you very much. Louise (Otis) Correll Have a good day and God bless you

I sit back and read as I am so confused on my tribe and don't know where to start again. With the kind ,generous people on this list, I found most of my Crocket family, same with the Cartmills and Craycrafts. The Royse family is really a hard one. The Williams not quite as bad, but still can't find my g.grandmother Amanda Williams(know she was there). Ned and Elizabeth Warders just vanished!!! Seems the Royse's had numerous marriages with the Toy's, and at least one Warder married a Toy, stuck there too!!! And then to add insult to injury, this really threw me, talk about confusing--- My great grandmother Amanda Williams married William Royse She later divorced him- My grandfather Rollie Royse married Rosa Crocket, daughter of John Crocket and Elizabeth Warders, Elizabeth's sister married a Toy, Rollie's two sisters married Toy's, so it's getting cozy, then----- I found a William Royse married a Toy and his mother's name was Amanda Williams!! That was a month ago, still totally befuddled on that one. Vickie from Calif.

Hi Bath County List, Well. here, let's see if this can help get the ball rolling. Read these emails between my sister and John Vice and say yippee for us AND to see if anyone else has any information on these families. John and Adie (anderson) Hendrix are my Gr Grandparents. Thomas and Eliza (Perkins) Anderson are my 2x Gr Gandparents AND since John has his folks listed then Cornelius and Mahala Anderson are 3 x Greats!!! Any more cousins out there??? Donna -----Original Message----- From: benton963 <[email protected]> To: Donna and/or Bob <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: Fw: Family of Cornelius/Mahala Hunt Anderson >Donna! Donna! Donna! >Look! Look! Look! Yeehaw! I found one! I found one! Love you! >-----Original Message----- >From: John Vice <[email protected]> >To: Debra Benton <[email protected]> >Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:05 PM >Subject: Family of Cornelius/Mahala Hunt Anderson > > >>Debra, >>I saw your 3 queries on the Bath Co., Ky. USGENWEB page. >>I am a descendant of the Hunt family of Bath & Fleming Counties, >>Kentucky & have gathered data on the Cornelius & Mahala Hunt >>Anderson (Mahala is a distant genealogical cousin of mine). >> >>Thomas Dudley Anderson (son of Cornelius & Mahala Hunt Anderson) >>died on Aug. 17, 1928 near Sherburne, Bath Co., Ky. and was >>buried in the Gilead Church Cemetery (Gilead Church building >>now long gone). Apparently there is no gravemarker for Thomas, >>but I guess he was probably buried beside Eliza. I don't know >>if Thomas Dudley Anderson married a second time after Eliza's >>death. >> >>Eliza Jane Perkins Anderson has a tombstone of some type where >>she is buried at Gilead (I used a listing of tombstone inscriptions >>made in 1980 by the Bath Co. Homemakers to get her dates off her >>tombstone). The tombstone reads she was born Oct. 7, 1862 and >>died Dec. 13, 1894. The Gilead graveyard has been cleared the >>last couple of years & so you can get thru it. >> >>I will be glad to exchange data with you, if you wish. I would >>be most interested in birth, death, marriage, burial locations, >>and names of descendants of John W. & Adie L. Anderson Hendrix. >>I collect all data I can on all of my genealogical relatives (even >>distant relatives). >> >>Looking forward to hearing from you. Until later, >> >>John Vice >> >>P.S.--I live in Fleming Co. (about a 15 minute drive from Bath Co. >> & also from the Gilead Graveyard). >> >> >> > >

Hello List: In the Bath Co. 1860 census, Elijah Tollver/Toliver, 60, is listed with his wife, Martha (Mannin), 59. Their children, at that time, staying with them are: Joel Toliver, 25 Susan Toliver, 23 Hannah Toliver, 23 John Toliver, 22 James Toliver, 18 Does anyone know who Susan, John and James married? PERRYS Beverly James Perry b. 1847, m. Sarah Jane Green, b. 1852. They were married in 1868. Among their children were: George Walter Clem Does anyone have information on George and Clem Perry? Kay

I agree that this list could be better but snail mail is definitely not the answer --not in Bath county. Requests for information directed to the court house often take 6 months for a response. This list could be served well if we could find someone who resides in Bath county who could answer questions about cemeteries who may or may not be documented, someone who would access the library and courthouse for us by email, etc. Life in Bath Co. seems very silent these days. It seems there have been many queries lately from folks who were planning to travel to the county for research purposes and they have asked list members where to stay, hours of court house and library, etc. It would be nice if those folks might offer to answer a question or two from fellow list members when they make their visit. New data needs to come out in addition to the usual swapping of older material. I know Eric Nagel was doing some cemetery documentation in the county but ran into some problems and gave up on it. Anybody know about that and what can be done to further that effort? Jackie

It has been a long time since I have sent another request in. I check all of the ones I see for any connections, but haven't seen any in long time so will try again. My Davis line I believed came to Montgomery Co., and Bath Co., KY from Virginia, however have not been able to prove it. This is the furthest I have been able to get: Ignatious Davis b________d 1803, Montgomery Co., KY wife Mary, possibly maiden name of Miller since a lot of Miller's witnessed the will. Other possible might be Lowe Children: **Luke (born before 1775 believed to be our line) John David *Joseph- Joseph Davis (above*) his will 5, Feb 1829 Bath Co., KY: more info further down. Mary Nancy Asa - (probably m 10-6-1857 to Frances Lipscomb) Dorcas Additional info on my above line Luke Davis:--- b before 1775 possible VA, married Mary Brown Dec 8, 1796 in Bourbon Co., KY: Children thought to be: Eli abt 1798 m Mary Kincaid Owingsville, Bath Co., KY, Landon Davis poss married Nancy Ann Tuberville 1836 IN. and Mary Ann Gilmore. and Ignatious Davis b 6, Oct 1807 Bath Co., KY married Catherine Montgomery Bromigan 22 Apr 1830 in Bath Co., KY. I do not have any record of a will for Luke Davis, so unknown how many children they had. Census 1820 lists 5 Davis families: Ignatious, Luke, John, Joseph, and Eli. " 1830 lists only two: Ignatious Sr and Ignatious Jr.(my line) 1840 lists on Ignatious Sr, so all have moved elsewhere, including my Ignatious Davis and Catherine Bromigan. There children are: Thomas b 1833 in Bath Co. marries Elizabeth Kincaid Mary Davis b 1834 KY marries John Kincaid Luke Clarence Davis b IN 1835 marries Anna Marie Stewart David Crockett b 1833 married to Lydia Landio Elnora abt 1842 Martley Margartana Davis 17, May 1843 Malinda J abt 1847 Martha Ellen abt 1849 Caroline abt 1851 Nancy 1854 married to a Van Horn I would like to correspond with any one researching this Davis line and see if they have further informtion. *Joseph Davis (will found 5 Feb 1829 Bath Co., KY: wife Sarah Children: Elizabeth...Thompson Dorcas.......House Mary Sarah .....married Thomas Corne Norman, died 1876 in Putnam IN Luke Ignatious David [named as youngest son in will) d 1875 Bath Co....... Records and death certificate said father Joseph born Culpepper VA * Asa's will written 3, Mar 1826 names spelled Aais/Amis/Amos also named as one of the sons of Ignatious Davis written 1801 Montgomery Co., KY *Dorcus born abt 1788 in Montgomery Co., KY BROMIGAN: Catherine Montgomery Bromigan is believed to be related to Jarvis Bromigan, rather he was her uncle or grandfather is unclear. She is not the Catherine that is listed in his will Any help here would be appreciated CJ Waller [email protected]

Hey Everyone! The list has been so dried up I finally figured out everyone found what they wanted/needed and left me alone to figure out all those Bath Countians by myself. Well, If left to my own devices I might find some :Old Skeltons" that belong to you so I think perhaps its "Share time" again. Surely this is not the way it ends. I would hate to go back to SnailMail again where I hate my mailman for not bringing me mail. I think I am spoiled so lets get this List off and running again. You know what they say........If you don't use it you lose it? Blessings! Vivian Not sure about everyone else but I can assure you I am still "Lost In Space" with some of my Bath County Ancestors. These Cartmills are killers to find. I think they purposely destroyed all paper trails to throw me and my cousins off the scent. I've never posted this one before, so here goes: Alexander Hamilton m. Mary Cartmill, d/o David M. and Nancy McDonald Cartmill. They were married on 21 MAY 1848 in Bath County. They had 3 children, David, Margaret and Sarah. Mary married secondly Jesse P.Day in Morgan County, KY in 1857. These are my second greatgrandparents. Does anyone know anything about Alexander Hamilton? Thanks, Paula

In a message dated 6/23/00 8:31:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH] Has everyone found all their ancestors?? Is this the reason everythng dired up? Date: 6/23/00 8:31:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Stanley C. Rutherford) To: [email protected] Okay Vivian, I'll give you one to go on! I have been trying to find a Family for sometime. Jacob B.Garner/Baumgardner/Bumgarner who was married to Nancy Linch/Lynch. Can not find anything on them. And how about his brother Andrew who married Nancy Lyons. Can anyone help me out with these two. Would appreciate any and all of your help. This should get things rolling. The children's parents (Jacob's and Andrew's ) died in Kentucky. George was the father he died in Montgomery County, and Abigail died in Owingsville. Both Kentucky. Well, I hope I get some answers or like everyone else, i'll give up as well. Don't count on that, I don't give up easy. I always go until I get some kind of an answer!!! Sincerely, Bea [email protected] P.S. Does anyone have ANY info on this family at all????? >> Would it be possible to give me some dates to see what I can do? I have very few resources after 1850 so be nice to me now and I will see what I have for you. Viv

Hey Everyone! The list has been so dried up I finally figured out everyone found what they wanted/needed and left me alone to figure out all those Bath Countians by myself. Well, If left to my own devices I might find some :Old Skeltons" that belong to you so I think perhaps its "Share time" again. Surely this is not the way it ends. I would hate to go back to SnailMail again where I hate my mailman for not bringing me mail. I think I am spoiled so lets get this List off and running again. You know what they say........If you don't use it you lose it? Blessings! Vivian

At 8:46 PM -0700 6/22/00, Flossie Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > Ms Pettit, > You helped me so much once before that I am asking for you help again. > I am looking for a Nancy Ann Carpenter who was born in Rowan or Bath Co., Ky > July 9, 1842. She married Winfield Scott Utterback, mother to J.M. who > married Dora Rose Pettit. I have the background on the Utterbacks but > can find nothing on the Carpenters. Flossie, I am not having much luck. Rowan County was not formed until 1856, from the north part of Morgan Co and the south part of Fleming Co. Up through at least 1860, UTTERBACK and CARPENTER appear to be mostly Bath County surnames. The 1860 census of Bath Co. lists 9 UTTERBACK families and 9 CARPENTER families, while the 1860 census of Rowan Co. lists *nobody* with the surname CARPENTER, and the only UTTERBACK is an infant, Harmon Utterback age 1 living with Benjamin F. COREY, age 21 and Elizabeth COREY age 13. (Curiously, this family is also listed in the 1860 census of Bath County. They must have lived near the county line and been counted by both census takers.) But I cannot find Winfield Scott UTTERBACK nor Nancy Ann CARPENTER in the 1860 census. My guess is that they were already married, but living in another county, neither Bath nor Rowan. (Perhaps Fleming or Morgan.) Interestingly, there was a Winfield S. CARPENTER age 13 listed in the 1860 census of Bath Co., son of Michael CARPENTER age 60 and wife Sarah age 57. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the 1850 census of Bath Co., nor the 1860 censuses of Fleming Co. or Morgan Co. The 1860 census of Bath County is online, but Adobe's connection to the Internet seems to be down at this time. No matter what site I try to connect to, it just puts up the "Waiting for reply..." message. The last time I used it, the URL was: http://www.webpak.net/~kyblue/bath/census.htm but it may have moved. There is also a small fraction of the 1850 census of Bath Co. online - transcriptions of 5 of the original pages - but that fragment contains no UTTERBACK or CARPENTER families. (Even though I can't access those census pages online at this time to check the URLs, I can do searches in them because I long ago downloaded them to my hard drive for just this reason.) I would suggest posting your query to the KYBATH-L discussion list and also putting a query on the Bath County Ky GenConnect board. In fact, to save some time I will copy the KYBATH-L list on this reply. -- Teri Pettit [email protected] USGenWeb County Coordinator for Rowan Co., KY

Ed, you are currently subscribed to the KYBATH list. Any e-mail sent to the list will be also sent to you. > -----Original Message----- > From: Edwin Jones [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYBATH] ADAMS & MANNING in Bath County 1800's > > > Hello Bath County List, > I'm in need of some marriage info. My gr gr grandfather Thomas ADAMS > married Lucinda MANING/MANNING about 1836 in Bath County. I'm trying to > get the exact date of this marriage. NOTE: Lucinda was first was married > to Robert RUSSELL about 1825 (would be interested in that marr. also), > so the name may have been Lucinda RUSSELL when she marr. Thomas ADAMS. > If someone has a list of marriages of ADAMS' in Bath County between > about 1812 thru 1840 I would be interested. I think Lucinda's father was > Wm.Henry MANING/MANNING but still need to confirm the names of her > parents. > > I'm not signed on with the list at this time so please reply directly. > > [email protected] the 1 is one not an L > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ed Jones New Palestine, In. > >

Hello Bath County List, I'm in need of some marriage info. My gr gr grandfather Thomas ADAMS married Lucinda MANING/MANNING about 1836 in Bath County. I'm trying to get the exact date of this marriage. NOTE: Lucinda was first was married to Robert RUSSELL about 1825 (would be interested in that marr. also), so the name may have been Lucinda RUSSELL when she marr. Thomas ADAMS. If someone has a list of marriages of ADAMS' in Bath County between about 1812 thru 1840 I would be interested. I think Lucinda's father was Wm.Henry MANING/MANNING but still need to confirm the names of her parents. I'm not signed on with the list at this time so please reply directly. [email protected] the 1 is one not an L Thanks in advance for your help. Ed Jones New Palestine, In.

---------- > From: Bob Francis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYBATH] Nicholas Hart Letters, part two > Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:27 AM > > THE HART FAMILY > Letter by Nathaniel Hart to Draper 1842. 2CC27-2 > > Thomas, John, Benjamin, David, Nathaniel and Susannah Hart were raised > in Hanover county, Virginia, and about the middle of the last century > removed to North Carolina (then a now country). Thomas settled near > Hillsborough. David and my father, Nathaniel, settled in what is now > Caswell county. My father built the Red House and lived there until 1779 > when he removed to Kentucky. David Hart lived and died there, his family > are living on lands in Tennessee and Kentucky. John Hart died in early > life, leaving one child, Susannah, who married John Luttrell, who was > killed in an engagement with the Tories and his widow married Doctor > John Umstead. Benjamin Hart removed to Georgia and died there. Susannah > married James Gooch and died leaving two children, James and Nancy who > married Jesse Benton, the father of Thomas Hart Benton and Jesse Benton, > Colonel Thomas Hart came to Kentucky in the fall 1775 and David Hart in > the spring 1776. My father was here more than half his time from the > spring of 1775 to the fall of 1779, he had travelled the Wilderness road > 14 times, he was killed on the 22nd of July 1782 at Boonsborough. > > LETTER BY NATHANIEL HART TO DRAAPER. 1853. 2CC29 > > Col Thomas Hart was born and raised in Hanover county, Virginia, being > the eldest of five sons and one daughter of Thomas Hart of Hanover. The > daughter being the grandmother of Col Thomas Benton of Missouri. He > removed to Orange county North Carolina about the year 1760 where he > married a lady of fortune and where he continued to reside until the > invasion of that State by Cornwallis in 1780 or 81, when he made a > hurried sale of his lands and removed through Virginia to Hagerstown in > Maryland, where he made a temporary residence with the view of removing > the next spring to Kentucky. But the death of my grandfather by the > Indians just before the fatal battle ofthe Blue Licks, deterred him from > his favorite purpose until the spring of 1794. As the older members of > his family were daughters, my father (then 24 years of age) escorted his > uncles family from Maryland to Kentucky and upon their arrival at > Lexington, immediately started on Waynes Campaign, where he acted as Aid > de Camp to Gen Todd of the Kentucky Volunteers in the battle of the > Fallen Timbers. Col Thomas Harts son, Capt Nathaniel Gray Hart, was > afterwards killed near Waynes Battlefield, at the battle of the Raisin > in 1813. Col Thomas Hart died in 1807. > > -- > Bob Francis, 1920A Butner St., Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 > My Homepage is: http://www.shawhan.com > Ruddell's Fort Page: http://www.shawhan.com/ruddlesfort.html > Early Bourbon Co. Fam. Pg.: http://www.shawhan.com/bourbonfamilies.html > Bourbon Co., Ky., Bios: http://www.shawhan.com/biographies.html > Shawhan Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shawhan/Homepage.html > >

---------- > From: Bob Francis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYBATH] Nathaniel Hart letters, part One > Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 6:46 AM > > Fellow researchers, > > I searched my files and came across some old Draper manuscripts of > letters from Nathaniel Hart, grandson of the original settler by that > name. These are very interesting letters in that they portray life > along the frontier. I have maintained the spelling and punctuation--so > be prepared for some deciphering on your part. > > Enjoy! > > Bob Francis > ----- > > >From Gleanings from Draper Mss. Library of Wisconsin State Historical > Society--HART > > LETTER BY NATHANIEL HART TO DRAPER. 1838. 2CC26 > > I have been a resident of Kentucky since the fall of 1779 to the present > time. I was too young to be an actor in many of the trying scones of > that early period but from 1788 until the conclusion of Col Wayne's > treaty in 1795, 1 missed few opportunities of joining in the pursuit of > such parties of Indiana as made incursions into the section of Kentucky > where I resided. From 1779 to 1786 my residence was in the fort at > Boonsborough, which my father, in conjunction with others, had erected > as early as 1775. He fell by the Indian tommahawk in the dangerous > season of 17821 just before the disasterous battle of the Blue Licks and > as my widowed mother survived him but two years, from that period I > relied upon my rifle for a greater part of my food and rainment. From > the fall of 1786 1 resided in the neighborhood of Harrodsburg and the > Indians, who then annoyed that part of the Country, generally crossed > the Ohio Ohio river between the mouth of the Kentucky and Louisville, > passing up on the south side of the river, which was then a wilderness, > to McAfee’s Station. I was twice engaged in the pursuit of these Indiana > an far as the banks of the Ohio without further success than that of > killing a fine blooded horse under an Indian who made his escape. Gen. > Scott's song while fishing on the bank of the Kentucky rivers was killed > by a party of of these Indians, in sight of his fathers house and > surveyor, Robert Todd, as late as 1794, was killed in view of Frankfort > immediately before the Legislature convened at that place. In 1780, the > Brittish officer,, Bird Col Bird, with his Indian army, decended the Big > Miami and ascended Licking river as far as the mouth of Beaver creeks > captured Riddles and Martins stations with the aid of his artillery. > Some years after this the Federal government, for a while prohibited the > Kentuckians from pursuing the Indians beyond the Ohio, but they were > sometimes tempted to cross over in disregard of the injunction. On one > occasion, I think in the spring of 1788, in the immediate neighborhood > of your flourishing city, they met an unexpectedly large encampment of > the enemy, who gave them battle and soon routed our little party with > considerable loss, Samue1 and Moses Grant, the later of whom had been my > school mate the previous year, were both killed at this time. Gen. Wm > Lytle, after participating in the conflict, exerted himself in > conducting from the ground to the canoes one or two men who were > wounded, apprehending that the foremost of the party might push out from > the shore before the wounded could reach it, he went ahead and finding > them in the act of starting, he was only able to restrain them by > raising his rifle and threatening to to shoot the first man who struck > an oar till the wounded men could get up. At this critical juncture, > when they expected to be fired on every instance by the enemy, an > individual, then of some note in the country, threw himself out of the > canoe into the river on the opposite side from the shore and patiently > held on until the wounded were brought up, to the great merriment of all > the rest. But in the spirit of the old injunction "to say nothing of the > dead but what is creditable", so it may be proper here to remark that > the decendants of this individual have long since distinguished > themselves by driving the Indians beyond the Lakes. About the year 1790, > Gen. Scott and Col. John Edwards conducted a party across the Ohio to > break up an encampment of the enemy who had been committing great > depredations on our river craft. On their arrival, the Indians had > decamped, but they caught a white man in a canoe who refused to give > satisfactory answers to their interragatories, when their patience was > nearly exhausted, Gen. Scott demanded of him how long he had been with > the Savages. Looking cooly up to the sun, he replied, " About two > hours", alluding to the time he had been their prisoner. Strange to say, > the party left this individual uninjured, being unable to determine > whether he was deranged or totally regardless of his life. My first and > only visit to Fort Washington, The site of your city, was in 1794, on my > way to join Gen. Wayne's army, and I shall never forget a scene which I > witnessed on my return; Cincinnati then of ten or a dozen rough log > cabins on the bank of the river. A two story hewed log house, where I > found Capt Gordon, an old acquaintance, keeping a house of > entertainment, with whom Gen. Barbee, Col. Beatty and myself quartered > for a day or two. On our way out, one of our Kentucky Colonels, (who was > more remarkable for his willingness to fight than to pay his just > debts), had contracted a debt with grocer, which the grocer was anxious > to collect on our return, but as it was not entirely convenient, the > Colonel refused to discharge it - a writ was obtained and placed in the > hands of the Sheriff to arrest him. He was found smoking a pipe > tommahawk in one of these cabins with a crowd of officers and soldiers > around him and evinced a desposition not to be taken, when the sheriff > exclaimed, "Clear the way and let me at him, God Almighty just made me > to take such a man". When he had approached near enough the Col reached > forward with his tommahawk and gave him a gentle chop on the heads upon > which the officer wheeled to the right about and marched off with double > quick step, considerably doubting the purpose for which he had been > created. We had but little intercourse with the Licking previous to > 1790. Frankfort, Georgetown and Paris were fronteer settlements when the > U. S. Army erected Fort Washington, and even after that periods Kentucky > had several forts or blockhouses on the banks of the Ohio to guard our > frontier. In 1791, Gen Scott went to Fort Washington to consult with Gen > Harmer in regard to the campaign conducted that year from Kentucky by > Scott and Wilkinson. A guard of twenty dragoons was furnished from > Lexington, who were equiped in handsome style, the General, himself in > ordinary dress. Upon reaching the river he started to lead his horse > into the boat ahead of the dragoon when the ferryman directed him to > stand aside while the gentlemen crossed over. Some one of the company > then whispered to the ferryman that the man was Gen Scott, when he > exclaimed, with an oath, that he had taken him for a waiter. This, of > course, diverted the old General very much and furnished the material > for one of his good stories. I know of no person living in this part of > Kentucky who participated in the settlement of Cincinnati as early as > the year 1788; My former neighbor, Jacob Sodusky, of Jessamine county, > who died some six years since, informed me that he had cut down the > first tree on the site of Cincinnati for the purpose of building a cabin > there. He was a man proverbial for his truth and integrity as well as > for enterprise, having come out with a small party as early as 1774 to > explore Kentucky and finding the country much infested with the Savages, > they were detained from attempting to return to Virginia directly either > by land or water, but ran down to New Orleans, in their canoes, and > taking passage on a vessel to Baltimore, thence reached their homes on > the South Branch of the Potomac after the absence of a year. When Fort > Washington was first erected, the Indiana showed no disposition to kill > the regular soldiers for some time, and in consequence of this, the > oommander of the U S Army was induced to charge the Kentuckians with > unnecessarily provoking the attacks of the Indians. In a short time, > however, his tune was changed, for they soon evinced as great a desire > to scalp his men as the had done the Kentuckians. Col. Elliott, the > contractor of the U S Army, and the father of the present Commander > Elliott of the American Navy, was the last person killed in the > neighborhood of Fort "Washington that I knew of. As soon as Gen Wayne > had succeeded in the objects of the campaign of 1794, Elliott quit the > Army and was hastening in to forward out supplies to the garrison, when > he was shot and scalped by the Indians between Fort Washington and > Hamilton, having directed his servant to make his escape. On the > following day a detachment of soldiers went with a cart and oxen with a > coffin to bring in his remains. The party had placed the corpse in the > cart they were fired on, Elliott's servant killed, the coffin broken > open and the corpse much mutilated. On the third day the soldiers, for > they were much attached to their contractor, rode to the place and > throwing the corpse across a horse, galloped off with it. A few days > afterwards, on my return from Fort Wayne, I saw the coffin lying on the > road side broken to pieces. Had it not been for the buffalos and other > wild game I am satisfied that Kentucky could not have been settled at > the time it was, for this constituted the main resource with the > settlers who were frequently without bread and salt. In the winter it > was hung up in an open house and kept frozen; in the summer it was > jerked in the woods and afterwards used in that state, sometimes > recooked with butter and cream, of which we had an abundance. There were > some 40 to 50 persons in my fathers family. One bushel of salt was as > much as we could procur a year; the article was manufactured at Mann's > Lick and at Bullit's Lick, in the neighborhood of Louisville, and was > procured in the upper settlements with great trouble and risk. I have > frequently seen a party of 10 or 15 hunters in the woods for a week with > a little bag of salt containing perhaps a gill, which of course was used > most sparingly. The hump of the buffalo was the choice delicacy with the > hunters; when they were killed near our forts, they were split into and > with a pole, or, when too heavy for that, with the assistance of a > sapling, bent down for the purpose, half the buffalo was put upon the > pack saddle and taken in. When killed at a distance from the forts, the > skins were taken off and used as a sack, in which 3 or 4 hundred pounds > of meat was carried at a load. But the constant dread of Indians made > this an unwelcome business to all but the intrepid, as they were > frequently fired on with these heavy loads on their horses, the riders > sometimes on the packs, in such cases to get clear of the loads and save > their lives was no trifling consideration. > > > -- > Bob Francis, 1920A Butner St., Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 > My Homepage is: http://www.shawhan.com > Ruddell's Fort Page: http://www.shawhan.com/ruddlesfort.html > Early Bourbon Co. Fam. Pg.: http://www.shawhan.com/bourbonfamilies.html > Bourbon Co., Ky., Bios: http://www.shawhan.com/biographies.html > Shawhan Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shawhan/Homepage.html > >