In a message dated 6/25/00 10:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Drewhag writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH] School Records Date: 6/25/00 10:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: Drewhag To: VMcca43559 I know that the state kept school records in the courthouse....I have copies of both sets of my great grandparents in school between 1890 and 1900. An awesome record - lists kids, parents, ages, etc. - a real nice source for evidence. Drew Horseman >> Drew..... Could you post the address to the list so others might be able to access them? Thanks! Vivian

I found a article in a Genealogy magazine saying that Ky took a school census starting with 1870 I believe....I called the Bath Co.School board last year and they sent me the record on my Grandfather,Elmore Bailey.He was attending school in Owingsville in 1900...I received a copy that can be used for Birth certificate,,and a copy of the list showing his parent(s)...The school board was nice and I received my copies within a week...I did go straight to the school board and was so happy with the results...Many times this is the only proof of birth there is...Thanks and Happy Hunting Barbara O'Hara...Tyler Texas

I found the School Census Records for Morgan County 1880+ from the LDS libraries. There were some surviving counties listed but I did not find Bath County either.

Hello everyone, The school record issue about Bath Co., Ky. is something I, myself, had not give a lot ot thought about. A few Kentucky counties still have School Census records (but only a few) & one of them is Nicholas Co., Ky. Having seen these at the County Clerk's office in Carlisle, I found the School Census to be a very valuable tool for genealogical research. The Kentucky Dept. of Libraries and Archives (in Frankfort) has microfilmed some of the school census records (probably the records they found in the various County Clerk's offices throughout the state). They microfilmed the Nicholas County School census which dates from the late 1880's (the school census was began in Kentucky in 1888). Unfortunately, I haven't seen a surviving Bath Co., Ky. school census. Having been to the County Clerk's office in Owingsville many times, I never saw them there. I don't know what records the Bath County Board of Education may have. There is some interesting data in a book by Roseann Reinemuth Hogan entitled KENTUCKY ANCESTRY-A GUIDE TO GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RESEARCH (published by Ancestry in 1992) about the school censuses (and tells where some of them may be found). This information is on pages 121-122 (where there is about 5 paragraphs about this). Good luck to everyone & if anyone finds out more, could you post it on the Bath Co. mailing list? Thank You, John Vice At 03:17 PM 6/24/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/24/00 3:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< Subj: Re: [KYBATH] School Records > Date: 6/24/00 3:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [email protected] (lcombs) > To: [email protected] > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/24/00 2:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << Subj: [KYBATH] School Records > > Date: 6/24/00 2:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: [email protected] (Robert Rogers) > > To: [email protected] > > > > Thanks Vivian, you got us out of our rut and thinking again. > > > > I read the other day that school records are a good source of information. > > Are there any school records for Bath County from back in the 1870's? If >so, > > where? > > > > T. K. Rogers > > > > > > >> > > Great Question!! > > I wonder where all those old records might be lkept anyway? > > I don't believe the school records go back that far. The Kentucky >Legislature > enacted a law requiring a school census. I believe the date was in the >1880's > and the law was recinded in 1890's but I am not sure of the exact years. >does > anyone know when the law was enacted and recinded? > > Carter > Versailles, KY > > >> >Any one care to tackle this one? I am sorry I don't have the answer. > > >

In a message dated 6/25/2000 7:28:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Do you know ANYTHING about Robert Ramsay who married Margaret Cartmill around 1795 in the Montgomery/Bath area? Paula >> Paula, I wish I could get a copy of that will for you in Bath County but..............When I get to go there I am so selfish I spend all that time looking for myself. Imagine that!! It is a waste of time to ask those people to copy documents for you. They are just very indifferent to the whole idea of Genealogy. They are very generous with letting you stay and search to your hearts content............I even climbed their ladder and got old boxes of fragmented papers from the ceiling shelf.. and no one cared. If you can go there at all do so. One day the old documents will be gone I fear. I think that is what ahs happened to many of them already. >> I am fairly close to Bath County, so have been there many times. I agree about the records. I too have climbed the ladder, crawled under the tables, plundered through boxes, lain on the copier to make sure a page copied. These are the sweetest people in the whole world that work in the Court House. They recognize me when I go in and I have free rein in the Records Room. But I feel over the years people have carried out records and noone noticed. I could have carried out volumes. Those little drawers at the top of the room hold many, many records. It's just a matter of taking time to unfold each little piece of paper. And the paper is getting so fragile I feel guilty about even handling them. I just hope and pray that copies have been made at sometime or another and are stored in the Archives in Frankfort. If not, then the Genealogical Society in Bath should make THAT a priority. (I research in Morgan County quite a bit and it is the same way. I could put those pieces of paper inside my notebook and noone would ever know. I have a copy of a small piece of paper where my 3rd greatgrandfather signed for one of his daughters to marry.) The next time I go to Bath I will copy the Will of Archibald Ramsay and have a look myself. I have recent evidence that we have completely missed a daughter of Thomas and Mary Warwick Cartmill. Margaret, who married Robert Ramsay. We had the marriage for them but couldn't place her in any family. A lady just got in touch with me who has a record that Thomas Cartmill signed for his daughter to marry Robert Ramsay. Thanks, Paula

In a message dated 6/24/00 10:37:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH]JONES/RAGAN Date: 6/24/00 10:37:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Peter Crisler) To: [email protected] Hi Vivian, Thanks alot for looking for me. In the early Bath marriages, can you look up William McClanahan to see who he married? I have a feeling his Rebecca is a Jones, and I am curious to see who her bondsman or witness was. He could have a connection to my Cad Jones. Thanks alot. You are really a big help to all of us on the list.:-) Wilma >> Wilma William and Rebecca were married by Samuel Jackson and the book doesn't show witnesses or anything the original bond might show.....sorry!!

In a message dated 6/24/00 10:37:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH]JONES/RAGAN Date: 6/24/00 10:37:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Peter Crisler) To: [email protected] Hi Vivian, Thanks alot for looking for me. In the early Bath marriages, can you look up William McClanahan to see who he married? I have a feeling his Rebecca is a Jones, and I am curious to see who her bondsman or witness was. He could have a connection to my Cad Jones. Thanks alot. You are really a big help to all of us on the list.:-) Wilma >> Bath Co. KY marriage Book # 2 William McClanahan married Rebecca MITCHEL 2 January, 1828 Blessings! Vivian

In a message dated 6/24/00 11:32:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH] My interests in Bath Co. KY Date: 6/24/00 11:32:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] To: [email protected] In a message dated 6/24/2000 5:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Okay, here's my query. Archibald RAMSAY settled in Nicholas County, KY, ca. 1812 and died ca. 1824. However, there is a will listed for an Archibald Ramsay in Bath Co. in 1823 and may be the same guy. I would like to get a copy of that will and find out more about him if he was in Bath Co. around that time. Any suggestions on who would be good to contact to get a copy of that will? >> Do you know ANYTHING about Robert Ramsay who married Margaret Cartmill around 1795 in the Montgomery/Bath area? Paula >> Paula, I wish I could get a copy of that will for you in Bath County but..............When I get to go there I am so selfish I spend all that time looking for myself. Imagine that!! It is a waste of time to ask those people to copy documents for you. They are just very indifferent to the whole idea of Genealogy. They are very generous with letting you stay and search to your hearts content............I even climbed their ladder and got old boxes of fragmented papers from the ceiling shelf.. and no one cared. If you can go there at all do so. One day the old documents will be gone I fear. I think that is what ahs happened to many of them already.

In a message dated 6/24/00 11:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [KYBATH] Help!!! Date: 6/24/00 11:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (victoria gibson) To: [email protected] I accidently deleted three E-Mails I was going to respond to one the CARTMILLS. Please accept my apology. If you write back I will be glad to send all that I have on the family. Vickie from Calif. Vivian, I read the message where you asked all to respond via the list. I did respond to Wes from Central Valley, Calif. privately as I sent him jpegs of my files, too big to post to the list. Through your waking us all up I have another new cousin. Thank You, Vickie >> Vickie, This is just fine.....however you might want to pass that information on to the list too....just in case someone else would like to have a copy too....OK? Blessings! Vivian

In a message dated 6/25/00 1:26:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Re: [KYBATH] Has everyone found all their ancestors?? Is this the reason ever... Date: 6/25/00 1:26:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Vivian Thank you thank you thank you. Nancy >> You are so welcome! I was so tired last night I had to rest before I could sleep....LOL. If it hadn't been for a golf tournament to baby sit my hubby I think he would have ran me off. I did manage to Feed and Water him tho. Blessings! Vivian

I accidently deleted three E-Mails I was going to respond to one the CARTMILLS. Please accept my apology. If you write back I will be glad to send all that I have on the family. Vickie from Calif. Vivian, I read the message where you asked all to respond via the list. I did respond to Wes from Central Valley, Calif. privately as I sent him jpegs of my files, too big to post to the list. Through your waking us all up I have another new cousin. Thank You, Vickie

--WebTV-Mail-23894-2422 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit OK --WebTV-Mail-23894-2422 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from mail.acsworld.net (newsmail.acsworld.net [12.4.184.3]) by mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id TAA25557 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default ([12.4.135.195]) by mail.acsworld.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61263U9000L900S0V35) with SMTP id net for <[email protected]>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:57:50 -0400 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] (Stanley C. Rutherford) To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KYBATH] Kenney/Garner marriage Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:00:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kay, When you find out i'd like to know as well. I am searching for Kentucky Baumgardners/Bumgarners/B.Garners/Gardner. WEW!!!! Bea [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 12:47 AM Subject: [KYBATH] Kenney/Garner marriage > I have a marriage bond for W. T. Garner to Hattie May Kenney dated 12 > Nov 1906. > Can anyone tell me the parents of the bride? Groom was 24 yrs. old, > bride was 21 yrs. old. Bond does not give parents name. > > Kay > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-23894-2422--

Vivian, who is Ed and Lena? Jim Sorrell

I read all of these messages from Bath County, and would like to ask one myself. My Henley Roberts married his second wife Susan A. Darnall in Bath County on 23 March 1824. Since he lived in Nicholas, I assume his wife was from Bath. Anyone know a Darnall family in Bath around that time? Thanks, Mary Miller [email protected] wrote: > > OK! > Now didn't everyone have fun with this list just hopping today? > I would love to know if anyone found anything NEW as a result of the > messages flying back and forth ? Please let us know and maybe we can do this > again sometime. > Bless Your Hearts! > Vivian

Hi - There is so much going on this list - maybe somebody out there can help me. I have 2 lines I'm trying to research in the Bath/Fleming Co region and have hit major stumbling blocks. I have an Archibald B. Six md to Elizabeth/Rhoda Crain Robinson in Bath Co 8-10-1858. I have most of their children --but can't figure out parents. I suspect Archibald was the son of David & Sarah Gorman Six listed in Fleming Co 1860 census. A family Bible lists Arch's dob as 5-1-1819 and dod as 9-10-1892 and Elizabeth's dob as 11-25-1837 and dod as 12-19-1899 - but I can't find obits or even where they might be buried. I suspect Atchison Cemetery - but that's only a guess. Elizabeth may have gone by the name "Lizzie" and was married for 3 months to William Eden in 1898. There are 2 Six's buried at Gilstead, David and Rice - any clue who they belong to? Also, an Ada Six md. Woodson R. Graham 2-11-1897. She was d/o Jane Six, Have no idea who these ladies are, but suspect they connect. I also have a Thomas H. Bennett md. To Vianna Johnson 8-28-1849. (Vianna's mother was Elizabeth Trumbo Johnson Snedigar). They seemed to reside in Wyoming, Bath Co until abt 1869 when they moved to IL. One of their sons married one of Archibald & Elizabeth Six's daughters. I cannot find anything on Thomas prior to his marriage to Vianna - have no idea of parents or siblings for him. Death records indicate a dob of 6-9-1810 and that he may have been married in 1840 to another lady. Any clues or directions will be appreciated. Thanks Gayle Swoik

I have a marriage bond for W. T. Garner to Hattie May Kenney dated 12 Nov 1906. Can anyone tell me the parents of the bride? Groom was 24 yrs. old, bride was 21 yrs. old. Bond does not give parents name. Kay

COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY Certificate of Death Name: Ella Stewart Female White Married Date of Birth: 12 Feb 1874 Age 36 yrs, 11 mos, 16 days Occupation: housewife Birthplace: Bath Co. Ky Name of father: Beverly Perry Birthplace of father: Bath Co. Ky Maiden name of mother: Sarah Green Birthplace of mother: Bath Co. Ky Informant: Michael(?) Stewart Date of death: 27 Jan 1911 Cause of death: Carcinoma of stomach Place of burial: Gilead Cem. Date of burial: 29 Jan 1911 Undertaker: Jackson & Estill, Owingsville, Ky Cert # 118 Can anyone tell me what Stewart this Ella Perry married?

I want to thank the great people that help om the KyBath board they are super people. I have found a lot on my father's side butno luck on my mother's side. My mother was Ollie ( Thompson ) Otis. Her parents were Smith Thompson s/o of George Washington Thompson. George was b. Oct.29,1856 d.Sept. 20, 1945 Smith Thompson, my grandfather as b.Nov. 18,1883 d. Mar. 03,1956 m. Pearlie ( Lowry ) Thompson Nov.07,1903. If anybody has any info please let me know. I far as I know they lived most of their lives in Bath Co. Thanks so much for te help. Louise ( Otis Correll Have a good day and God bless you

In a message dated 6/24/2000 5:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Okay, here's my query. Archibald RAMSAY settled in Nicholas County, KY, ca. 1812 and died ca. 1824. However, there is a will listed for an Archibald Ramsay in Bath Co. in 1823 and may be the same guy. I would like to get a copy of that will and find out more about him if he was in Bath Co. around that time. Any suggestions on who would be good to contact to get a copy of that will? >> Do you know ANYTHING about Robert Ramsay who married Margaret Cartmill around 1795 in the Montgomery/Bath area? Paula

--WebTV-Mail-23208-1936 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Thank you, Vivian. This helps a lot. --WebTV-Mail-23208-1936 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by storefull-145.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id EAA27689 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Received: from [email protected] by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.bc.6ea35ae (4005); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:35:36 EDT Subject: Re: [KYBATH] Bath Co. Tollivers & Perrys To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/23/00 9:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [KYBATH] Bath Co. Tollivers & Perrys Date: 6/23/00 9:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hello List: In the Bath Co. 1860 census, Elijah Tollver/Toliver, 60, is listed with his wife, Martha (Mannin), 59. Their children, at that time, staying with them are: Joel Toliver, 25 Susan Toliver, 23 Hannah Toliver, 23 John Toliver, 22 James Toliver, 18 Does anyone know who Susan, John and James married? >> Since the Bath Co. KY Marriage books are indexed by spouse it is hard to know who Susan Married but....I have a James Henry Tolliver who married Tomsy/Tamsy Ann Norris 21 April, 1863. This MIGHT be your James. In the 1870 Bath Co. Census we have what appears to be: Ivan? Tolliver 28 Tamsyann 21 Martha 2 James Norris 30 [most probably Tamsey Anns bro] Also 1870 Census Elijah Tolliver 68 Martha 72 Susan 32 John 36 If susan married she married late as did John. Hope this helps a little Vivian --WebTV-Mail-23208-1936--